Every school that uses the "opt-out" should lose any Federal funding they receive...

[Ghost in the Machine]

... if the opt-out is sponsored at the state level, those states should lose Federal funding for ALL of their schools... fuck 'em, I'm tired of these racist, anti American douchebags...


Peace,

Ghost

[whistler162]

1. And anyone who posts this garbage should lose any kind

of health care coverage!

Its a brick wall not a door stop walking into the wall and trying to create a door!

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[spanone]

6. i kinda like the garbage....

[Ghost in the Machine]

11. What, pray tell, does this have to do with health insurance?

:shrug:

[indepat]

2. Hear, hear! Shout it from the highest trees in every school district in the land

:D

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. Thank you... n/t

[rucky]

3. I'm still for local control to a certain extent.

Even when it's stupid.

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. "Local control" - maybe it would outrage enough people that they could actually

get some progressives on the local school boards. The school boards I've dealt with are very, VERY right wing in their thinking/policies...

[titoresque]

4. agreed. nt.

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. Thanks... n/t

[Statistical]

7. How about we just cut to the chase and execute the kids instead.

If a parent, or administrator, or teacher is racist then just kill the kids.

See it makes so much sense. Punish person A for the actions of Person B.

Then magically Person B will stop taking the action?

[Ghost in the Machine]

16. Or we could just post stupid hyperbole on the internets..

You punish the school boards and hold them accountable to the citizens they serve. Maybe if enough people got outraged, they'd do something to change the deep right wing policies of most school boards..

[WillowTree]

8. By all means! Let's penalize the kids for what the adults decide.

That'll show 'em.

[Ghost in the Machine]

17. Why do you think it only penalizes the kids?

Can you clarify?


Thanks,

Ghost

[WillowTree]

38. Where did I say that it would *only* penalize the kids?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

9. As if cutting the funding for education will help them overcome their racism.

[Ghost in the Machine]

18. No, the goal is to outrage enough parents so that they will maybe do something...

.. like become more active and/or seek seats on their local school boards to help enact changes to their very right wing policies..

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

24. Outrage the parents into making the schools more right wing? Why would you want that?

[Ghost in the Machine]

25. Read much?

The school boards are very right wing.. we need more progressives on the boards...

Did that make it clearer? Here it is again: We need more PROGRESSIVES on the school boards..

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

26. How will enraging the conservatives lead to more progressives?

[Ghost in the Machine]

27. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

We need to get the democrats/progressives enraged enough to get active on their school boards. Maybe it'll enrage some of the apolitical, too.

Once again, the idea is to enrage people AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS..

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

29. For starters it's likely unconstitutional, I suspect you know that.

[Ghost in the Machine]

30. It's unconstitutional to vote rightwingers off of school boards?

Who knew!? :shrug:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. My gosh you are dense, I'll type slower for you.

It's likely unconstitutional to remove their federal funding.

[Ghost in the Machine]

32. I was trying to make you feel more comfortable in this conversation...

"It's likely unconstitutional to remove their federal funding."


"Likely"?? So basically what you're saying is that you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about, but you're just babbling on for the hell of it?

Here's an idea... go read something and come back with some facts, instead of your opinion on what's "likely", ok? Maybe you can point out where in the Constitution that it says schools have to be federally funded.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

34. MMMMkay. You honestly believe the BS you are spewing. That's hysterical.

[Ghost in the Machine]

35. I didn't see any facts in your reply...

I have things to do right now, so I'll give you some time and check back later. Maybe you can have some facts or a link.. or something...


Btw, even though it seems we're gonna disagree on this, I'll still stand right beside you on gun rights/second amendment issues...


Peace,

Ghost

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

36. Under what law would you remove their federal funding?

[morningglory]

10. CNN covered the GHWBush speech to school children, saying the Dems

said it was a political advertisement at the time. Fine. Did the Dems go thrashing on the ground crying their eyes out, howling that their children would not be in school that day to be hypnotized? Turned into Socialists and so on? Hell no, we listened to the pinhead with our children and said "Listen to that a$$hole! What a dipsh]t! Just listen to him. Look at those empty eyes!" That's what Dems do. Nothing is too dangerous for my children to hear. They are a-feared of everything.

[Ghost in the Machine]

19. Yeah, my kids had to listen to the chimp, too...

my son made fun of der chimpenfurher the whole time...

[morningglory]

39. You must have great kids! nt

[MadHound]

13. Oh yeah, that's a real bright idea,

Further punish the children for the stupidity of their elders. What a huge, steaming pile that idea is:puke:

[Ghost in the Machine]

20. What would you suggest? Bake them cookies and sing kumbya?

The school boards need to be held accountable. Period. When programs get cut, teachers get laid off, etc., enough people might get outraged enough to actually DO SOMETHING and become active on the very right wing school boards and change some policies.

Or we can just sit around and bitch on the internet...

[noamnety]

22. Or -

they'll get pissed off enough to vote out the democrats who cut their child's educational funding over a fucking motivational speech.

[Ghost in the Machine]

23. well, you might have a point there...

.. since we all know that the right wingers and fundiegelicals blame everyone but themselves for whatever happens due to their own actions.

[noamnety]

33. At my school it wouldn't be from the actions of a right wing board.

It would be because of an already existing lack of funding, and Obama's lack of planning.

1) We don't have a way of broadcasting it live - the equipment isn't physically available to us. We can download it after the fact to a DVD and project it from that after the live speech is over.

2) Most of our students will not be in school yet on Tuesday - Obama's trying to welcome them back prior to the start of school date for some reason.

If democrats enacted laws to punish us for a lack of equipment, or to punish us for not anticipating in spring that he was gonna do a speech with one work day's notice before our kids were back at school, I'd blame the democrats. Wouldn't you, if it were your district?

[noamnety]

21. Please stop.

Laying off teachers, cutting funding to an already broke system, using kids as pawns in a political standoff is not putting the kids' interests first.

I'd rather have my students opt out of one 20 minute pep talk than lose a full day of instruction because they are being kept home in protest. Once a teacher enters the building the students' education should take priority over any partisan posturing. Top down mandates are too often about the posturing and politics (see NCLB, schools losing funding if they don't allow recruiter access to student information, etc.), rather than allowing schools to do what's best for the students.

I'm REALLY sorry that the right-wing "Anti-American" labels are now being flung around by the left. That kind of enforced nationalism is fascist in nature no matter which party is resorting to it.

[BlooInBloo]

28. Key words: "at the state level"...

Still a stupid idea, but at least it shows *some* kind of sensitivity to the obvious criticisms of the prior, even stupider idea.

[geek_sabre]

37. As a teacher, I'd rather

schools allow students to opt out of a 15-20 minute speech than miss an entire day of school. If most of you knew how much work that goes into getting the first days of school off smoothly, you'd recognize that for some schools, it is a major headache to even give up 20 minutes to air this.

Why air it live? It is not a live event. It is not a discussion with students. The students aren't being allowed to ask questions of the President. This is what sets it apart from what Reagan did. It will essentially be a PSA. Why not send a DVD or VHS to schools so that they can show it at a time when faculty have time to work it into the curriculum and schedule in an appropriate way? Many schools (particularly in the south) started nearly a month ago. The school I am teaching at this year doesn't start until Sept 14.

[Thothmes]

40. So now, according to you scheme, funding

for American schools should depend on political orthodoxy. A real Freeper idea if I have ever heard one.

[Synicus Maximus]

41. Why stop there. Why not remove any tax deductions from

anyone who votes for a right wing candidate or a rw position on any bill or referendum. Although I have a little problem in figuring out who would decide if a issue or candidate was progressive enough to not be denied deductions.

[Initech]

42. I agree, they shouldn't cave to these racist Fux News watching idiots.