butter: School cooks told to stop spreading pupils' sandwiches to tackle obesity

[The Straight Story]

(UK) School cooks told to stop spreading pupils' sandwiches to tackle obesity

School cooks are being told to stop using butter in sandwiches to help tackle childhood obesity.

They are being urged to use a reduced-fat spread or none at all as part of a tough nutrition regime coming into force today.

However, the directive – part of the school meals revolution demanded by Jamie Oliver – was greeted with shock and bemusement last night.

....

Caterers last night urged schools to lock secondary pupils in at lunchtime to prevent them undermining the healthy meals drive by buying junk from fast food outlets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210841/Now-Jamie-Oliver-bans-butter-School-cooks-told-stop-spreading-pupils-sandwiches-tackle-obesity.html

[MrScorpio]

1. You know what'll help stop obesity? P.E.!!

Bring it back!

[MissB]

16. one of my kids gets PE twice during the day

One day a week. Plus he gets three recesses a day (one with lunch). The other kid has PE twice a week too but on different days. Their school lunch program is fantastic too, though I'm too cheap to buy it for them. Healthy stuff, organic, locally sourced. Not federally supported food program though so they have more flexibility.

[HillbillyBob]

2. dupe

nt

[Pangolin2]

5. Nonsense. Margarine is made from vegetable oil.

Plastic comes from catalytic refining of crude oil.

[HillbillyBob]

15. The are similar molecules and similar process used to make them both.

Margarine and semi solid veggie shortening is also made in a similar way using heat catalyze edible oils which by the way are also carbon based.
They are just much fresher than petroleum which has had a few million years to 'fossilize' under heat and pressure in the ground.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090311105530AAwd6oU

Is it true that margarine is one molecule to being plastic?

Answerer 1
margarine is made from hydrocarbons in a simple form, called lipids (fatty acids, or oil). Plastics are long chain polymers (several hydrocarbon molecules stuck together).

although they are made from essentially the same atoms, there is a more complex arrangement to plastics. Also "plastic" does not actually describe the manufacture but the properties of the product, and by that definition margarine is "plastic"

simple answer: they are made from the same stuff so yes margarine is plastic

Plastics are made from oil, and so are hydrocarbons. Margerine is made from lipids, which are a glycerol molecule, and 3 fatty acid molecules. Fatty acid molecules are a hydrocarbon with an -OOH group on the end.
So yes, margerine could be thought of as glycerol plus plastic!
Source(s):
A-level chem


I was mostly using it as an example , comparing the plastic we use to the plaque build up in your arteries from eating transfats. I supposed I did not make my self clear.

It was my Drs office PA that pointed the similarities of the two out to me, when we were discussing the build up in my arteries from the years of eating bad food, which is what I was raised on.

[Pangolin2]

17. Okay, you were using 'plastic' as a descriptive adjective rather than a generic noun.

Fine, but under that criterion, butter is too. I hope you are not trying to imply that butter is healthful...?

[kumbaya]

20. Actually, it is! It's only 50% saturated, by the way...It's actually more like olive oil, but I

use the latter almost exclusively. Butter is certainly better for sauteing because saturated fat and monounsaturated fats are more resistant to higher temps. The very worst thing are the polys. They are very fragile, and the way most are processed makes them incredibly toxic.

[Pangolin2]

21. You must be talking about tiger butter

http://www.healthcastle.com/butter-or-margarine.shtml

[kumbaya]

23. Nope. Lookie here:

Comparative properties of common cooking fats (per 100g) Total Fat Saturated Fat Monounsaturated Fat Polyunsaturated Fat Protein
Butter 81g 51g 21g 3g 1g
Vegetable Shortening (hydrogenated) 71g 23g 8g 37g 0g
Olive Oil 100g 14g 73g 11g 0g
Lard 100g 39g 45g 11g 0g

*Courtesy of Wikipedia.

It's all jumbled but although it shows more saturated than not, butter still is not 100% saturated, plus is not fake! I would get raw organic butter but it's not easy to find.

[NWHarkness]

3. Margarine IS junk food. n/t

[kumbaya]

4. I will bet anyone a million bucks that it was always some oleo icky poo stuff

and not real butter. It's too expensive; they'd have never done it.

[HillbillyBob]

6. Fake spreads such as margerine are worse than butter

since they are not real food, they are plastic.
If you doubt me, read up on hydrolyzed petroleum..its plastic.
Hydrolyzed veggie oils are plastic too. Not as in they are pliable, but as in baggies or plastic spoons...

Exercise is the real answer as well as eating real food in moderation.

About 20 years ago I was 90 pounds overweight. I went from being a construction worker to being an over the road sales man, stopping for lunch at fast food places and put that 90 pounds of fat on in just a few years.

When dr said look your bp, cholesterol etc are all out of whack and your bmi is 65%. I did not go on a diet per se, I started exercising on a bike several days a week, moderated my serving sizes and almost eliminated fast food (none for about 3 years), ditched high fructose containing foods, no margerine, butter in moderation, lean meats, more veggies, fewer sugars etc. It took me about 4 yrs to lose 70 pounds (slow is easier to keep off and I did not have a lot of loose skin, it had time to shrink).
I started working out with weights a few days a week, swimming a couple times a week and biking to the gym and for shopping(kind of made it easier to get just what I needed ).

I still had a heart attack needing a stent and recently had a femoral bypass for blocked artery..remnants of the extra weight. Plus I have had hiv, diagnosed in 85 when dr said lose the weight.
The hiv meds throw your triglycerides and cholesterol out of whack and can raise it by a good bit even if you are eating right and all that.
Which is what my current dr has said is the problem. I am on meds for those things too. Last trip he said that he wants to take me off of Keletra since I have been on it so long and that it is really bad for your body fat/cholesterol etc and that there are new meds to try.

Funny my then dr said I would likely have a stroke that day...it was 22 yrs later that i did have a mild heart attack and bypass surgery.

I wish I could have passed those things by..
I do try to do everything right, but some times ya fall of the wagon.
I also use very little sugar, and only raw honey in my coffee and very limited on sweets/fats..I still love the taste, but remember the cost.
Moderation in all things seems to be a good way to go.
I think we need to all learn that.
to add.
I think I have managed to improve my lot.
My dad and grandfather are both diabetic and tests back then revealed that I was well on my way, since I have cleaned up my act my blood sugar is normal /stable.

[Vinca]

7. Why do you need butter on a sandwich anyway?

Leave it out and they probably won't notice the difference.

[The Straight Story]

8. They don't need a lot of things, but it can enhance the flavor

My dad puts butter on pretty much every sandwich he makes.

[ejpoeta]

14. only thing i can think of is grilled cheese. probably with processed cheese.

[Thothmes]

18. If your plan is to grill the Sandwich, butter makes for

a nice brown crust.

[kumbaya]

24. Um...surely you jest...

Butter is like the ultimate. I mean, for crusty baguettes, what is better? But I now use Earth Balance, which is a non-hydrogenated natural margarine (no artificial flavors or colors). Now I prefer it to butter, which I never thought would happen!

[wickerwoman]

26. It's a British thing...

they use butter instead of mayo as the standard spread on most sandwiches.

It keeps the bread dry if the sandwich is going to be sitting around for a while; but that's not really an excuse. They should be making fresh sandwiches and then they can skip the butter.

[aikoaiko]

9. That's what mayo is for

[pipi_k]

11. Yeah, and an inch thick layer of cream cheese...

yum....

:)

[kumbaya]

25. ...

:puke:

[eShirl]

10. hope whatever they smear on the bread has no trans-fats

butter would be less harmful than a big load of trans-fats, imo

[ejpoeta]

12. what pisses me off is that I was raised on fake margarine, and so I am used to it

and butter tastes funny to me.... but it turns out the margarine is BAD for me and the butter is better for me.. Make up your damned mind!! As for not using butter.... isn't that kind of like ordering a big mac, fries and a DIET coke?? just sayin. food is only part of the equation. kids need activity.... they need to release some of that boundless energy in physical activity of some sort.... but that seems to be the first thing to be axed. who has time for that when there are tests to prepare for.

[virgogal]

13. Reduced fat stuff tastes like shit and usually has more carbs

and sodium.

[Pangolin2]

27. Uh, there are virtually no carbohydrates in any fats or oils.

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. "Please, sir, can I have some more?" - Oliver Twist

[Libertas1776]

22. Who puts

butter on a sandwich? (not including a grilled cheese, I do that) blech! And all that stuff about margarine being a single molecule away from plastic. They say the same bull about cool whip, cheez whiz, and Velveeta. Does everyone believe everything they read on the internet.

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[madinmaryland]

29. You fucking ijits are arguing about oleo, when school children will not be able to see Obama

on Tuesday. And this is in progressive Maryland.

:wtf:

Get a fucking life.