Don1
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:06 PM
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Socialized Education Won't Work! |
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1. It will be too costly so not everyone will be able to get an education. This will create Education Panels that deny a basic education based on a socialist lottery!
2. Low teacher salary will create an unmotivated workforce of teachers and then students that can't compete with other nations.
3. Students will request text books for classes, but not receive them for months or even years because of bureaucratic inefficiency!
4. The for-profit corporations in a free market should decide what information kids need to know instead because that'll work.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:09 PM
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1. All of this is already going on. |
Don1
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:14 PM
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2. What do you mean by that? |
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:56 PM
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It will be too costly so not everyone will be able to get an education. This will create Education Panels that deny a basic education based on a socialist lottery!
- Pre-K students, Alternative Ed. students, At-Risk students and college students are routinely denied the same opportunity for education all the time. Cut backs.
2. Low teacher salary will create an unmotivated workforce of teachers and then students that can't compete with other nations.
- The current move is to support non unionized charter schools. Ok sounds good until you realize that these teachers are paid on average 30% less of salaries that are already reduced, health benefits are huge and taking on a Masters to teach is less and less attractive to most teachers.
3. Students will request text books for classes, but not receive them for months or even years because of bureaucratic inefficiency!
- Text books are just as expensive for schools as they are for college students. Average price for a school text book is between $50-75. And they can't buy used like the college students. So--more and more teachers have to rely on outdated materials that are scribbled on, lost, ripped up, etc. Usual life of a text book is 5-8 years in a public school system. It should be 2-4 years.
4. The for-profit corporations in a free market should decide what information kids need to know instead because that'll work.
- Text books for public school students generally contain more color photos than they do factual information. All are geared toward regurgitating facts and figures. Critical thinking is not encouraged.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:16 PM
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3. Well...lets not let that stop us....lets find ways for the social education system to solve the prob |
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There is no alternative
period.
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Don1
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:23 PM
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seriously...note the parallel here. Those were bogus claims parallel to criticisms about universal healthcare.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:29 PM
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11. Yup, Same Nit Level...always ground level moot shit...just to make noise. |
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Freakin GOPer Ankle biters...just like bed bugs...come in the night to suck yo blood.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:20 PM
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we continue to fund wars in the Middle East costing $billions upon $billions, estimated to last decades. And, we have no problem bailing out banks that are "too big to fail" for $ trillions. We could probably fund single payer health care AND public education, including well-payed teacher salaries, many times over in place of these costs.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:21 PM
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5. Have you seen our graduates lately? |
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Our education system is nothing to brag about. The average high school graduate from a generation ago was more educated upon receiving his diploma than the average college graduate today. I see a LOT of people with college degrees who lack basic literacy and math skills. For the amount of money we spend we get horrible results.
For example, it takes about 8th-grade math skills to understand how compounding interest works. Yet this country was so ignorant (and remains so) to have bought into the biggest debt bubble in history, in massive numbers spanning all categories of society. And it remains ignorant enough that massive bailouts to feed a mathematically impossible-to-meet debt burden does not result in pitchforks and torches.
In fact, they cannot even see that the cost of a college education is now so high that it cannot be positively amortized over the entire average working life of a student. And they STILL pay more and more every year.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:21 PM
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6. Indeed. Public universites are nothing but fail. |
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:22 PM
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It does no good with wingnuts (they just claim that the school system is not good).
But independents might get the point.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:24 PM
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The wingnuts would be homeschooling their kids or calling it a liberal biased education, but I DO think independents would get it.
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Sat Sep-05-09 08:25 PM
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10. We talking federal or local level managing education/budgets/etc |
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Sat Sep-05-09 09:44 PM
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13. this list wouldn't affect deathers by exposing their hypocrisy |
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they actually believe this: hence the charter schools and creationist "accreditors" run out of portable rooms
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