Health care forum turns into shouting

[Adsos Letter]

So, this is how they are spinning things in Napa, frontpaging ONE pro-healthcare person shouting...while a couple of weeks ago Mike Thompson's forum was absolutely destroyed by fanatical right-wingers. Yet, it was allowed to go the full distance, while they pulled the plug on this event because of this one person.

http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2009/09/05/news/local/doc4aa16452eddd7932992891.txt

[Adsos Letter]

1. Help out in the comments section, if you can.

[Adsos Letter]

2. An unreccomend for this post? Really!?

:wtf:

[madrchsod]

4. i gave you a recommend...

[Adsos Letter]

9. thanks madrchsod...I don't care about getting on the GP...

I just didn't see why anyone would diss this article/OP.

Maybe it was personal. :shrug:

[intheflow]

7. I'd love to see ratio of recs and unrecs

on any given Greatest Page post. I notice just about every OP that makes it onto the GP has 1 or 2 unrecs as it hits, or immediately after. I think trolls must lurk on the GP and unrec anything progressive and sane the second it pops up. :grr:

[Adsos Letter]

11. intheflow!!!

How the heck are you?! Long time no read.

Like I told mdrchsod; I don't care about making the GP, I just can't understand why someone would unrec that OP/article.

Ah well...

Hey! It really IS good to get a reply from you! Here, have one of my favorite roses:




The squirrels and I send our best: :hug: :*

Me and the squirrel (try to guess which is which):




The squirrel of Route 66:




The squirrels of Valley Forge:




:hi:

[intheflow]

26. Thanks for the rose and squirrels!

And of course I can tell you from the squirrel, silly! You're the handsome hairy one! :loveya:

[Suich]

3. K & R! n/t

[sam sarrha]

5. they bus in organized Political Militias trained in belligerent disruption of civil free speech

[Adsos Letter]

13. According to the article there were representatives from right wing

anti-healthcare groups from out of the district who came to voice their disapproval. I am just amazed at how Mike Thompson's healthcare forum was disrupted from start-to-finish a couple of weeks ago, making any discussion impossible, while these whack-a-pods pull the plug to keep an unhappy dissenter from voicing an opinion.

These people do not want to see any other side but there own.

[sam sarrha]

24. they dont even see their own that are brainwashed to only repeat what their told. there are some

good books out that explain it, it is very easy to do especially if you have all the major media in collusion with you.

the title is deceptive.. it is about how meditation alters the dominate areas in the brain to create compassion, hope, determination in a positive world.. they also elude to how we are controlled by fear/negativity
http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your-Brain-Neuroscientist/dp/0345503414/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252251315&sr=1-2

apparently they were trying to maximize their customers.. because its about meditating

[Gregorian]

6. IT'S AN OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with these idiots?

It's an option!

What does it take to get this into their bone headed skulls?

IT'S AN OPTION!

We're not taking anything away. We're not forcing your grandmother into a chamber of death. You don't have to participate in it. We will go to the doctor's as you stay outside and be unhealthy, if you insist.

IT IS AN OPTION.


I can't make my font any bigger without extra work. IT'S...AN...OPTION.

[yost69]

8. It's not a total option.

You don't have to participate in it. We will go to the doctor's as you stay outside and be unhealthy, if you insist.

You don't have to take the government plan but you must take something or you will be fined. That is not an option. That is one of the reasons that I am against this bill. You should have the freedom to choose whether you want to have health insurance of you don't want it.

[Creena]

10. Aren't you the same poster...

...who noted they are still undecided about Obama's birth certificate?

[yost69]

16. Unable to distinguish sarcasm are we?

I could give a rats ass about his papers. He is in office and that is all that matters.

I have learned one thing from that post though. I have learned to use the sarcasm smiley thing to help people better understand my statement.

I also didn't shave my head, in case you were wondering. :toast:

[Adsos Letter]

19. There is often a deficit of humor in GD...

and a surplus of outrage.

[Creena]

20. Okay, I see now.

I never saw response, so I was just wondering.

I sorta...kinda agree with being required to have insurance. My mom and I live paycheck to paycheck (or rather SS check...she's disabled and I take care of her), but there is barely a dime left over after bills and her medical care. Because the government doesn't take into account expenses, our, or rather her, income is too high for Medicaid.

I worry if something besides single payer is passed, we still won't qualify for government help, but now it's a requirement. If that makes any sense...

[yost69]

22. I'm confused

You agree with being made to buy insurance or you agree with me?

The way I am taking your story you agree with me. On that note. I am to young to be on SS so I never even thought of those people that won't be able to afford it. That brings another point to the whole mandate on having insurance being utterly ridiculous.

I do think that if you want insurance that you should have access to affordable insurance, not this crap the insurance companies call insurance. I also think that it should be a choice, not a law.

[Creena]

23. Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.

Affordable insurance, okay. Single payer, even better. But, I'm pretty much relegated to the idea of single payer not happening. So, yes, without an extraordinarily decent price, being legally require to purchase insurance would suck.

[Gregorian]

12. The reality is, that's the way it is now. Get sick without insurance, and you're bankrupt.

Obama's concept is that we can have health care without breaking our bank accounts. That is why I want it.

I have insurance and yet I don't dare use it.


I know three people who have had massive health costs in the last year, and all of them were covered by Medicare. They'd all be broke without it.

[Adsos Letter]

14. I agree. I actually have excellent healthcare through my wife's work...

$10.00 co-pay for office visits, and a $5.00 co-pay for medication; no ineligibility for pre-existing conditions;they cover both of my girls the same way up to age 25, and my wife and I keep it after retirement.
it is part of her compensation package, and I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to be taxed to see that others not so fortunate recieve something even remotely similar and, hopefully, very similar.

[yost69]

18. It's not the taxes that I am against. It is the 2.5% fine that I don't understand.

[yost69]

15. The way it is now, I have a choice to be insured or not.

I understand where the president is coming from. I agree with his concept just not the way it is made into a law that you either pay for insurance or you pay a fine.

I don't have insurance. I choose not to have it. I don't see a need to waste my money at this time in my life. I have not went to a doctor, outside of a DOT physical in over 10 years. I honestly don't think that it is fair to make you take health insurance if you don't want it. If something catastrophic happens and I need to go to the doc, is that not my problem to come up with the funds to pay for the care needed? Who the heck am I hurting by not having health insurance? No one. The only reason that section is in there is to help the insurance companies.

If I choose to pay money to an insurance company or the government than I will not be fined. It makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

If they would do away with that one section I would change my status to support this bill. That one section is why I am against this bill.

[Adsos Letter]

17. But if you suffer a catastrophic injury/illness...

what guarantee is there that you will actually be able to gather the funds to pay, despite your best intentions? If you recieve the treatment, but can't pay, who bears the cost?

[yost69]

21. Who pays for it now?

The taxpayers? If they do then I see no difference as they will continue to pay for it.

Why is it that hospitals overcharge people without insurance? Is it to pay for the ones that don't pay?

Of the 46 million people that are uninsured in this country, 6.9 million of those are illegal immigrants. According to the proposed bill they will continue to be uninsured. Who is going to pay for those people? Will they just not get care?

I also believe that those hospital bills haunt you forever. Unless you claim bankruptcy, which in my opinion is way to easy to do but that is another topic. They will garnish you wages and sue you or whatever.

My advice is that if you can not afford to pay the bill you should have insurance to cover the majority of the expense. But I don't think that there should be a law that mandates you to do so.

[Gregorian]

25. Who said you had to buy insurance? Is that really part of the bill? Read my last paragraph here.

Let me tell you that I was exactly like you. Other than a DOT for a commercial license, I didn't even see a doctor. Then I had insurance because my mom and dad were concerned they'd have to pay the bills out of their savings, should I get sick or injured. Then when the turds increased my bill by 55%, I dropped it. That was three years ago. But now I am not exactly well. And man, I picked up insurance so fast it wasn't funny.

The way I want health care is the same way I want my roads. Yes, I love unpaved roads. Which is why I live in the country. But in general, if I want to live the life I'm accustomed to, I want trucks on highways that are paved. I just bought a circuit breaker on Ebay, and I want it next week. A semi on a paved road is going to get that to me. Where was I? Oh yeah, health care. Those roads are paved not by the users buying asphalt, but by all of us pooling our money together. Taxes. Taxes suck, but if spent wisely do us well. Not for bombs, but for health care, roads, schools. Grover Nordquist, Reagan, Bush, would all have us thinking taxes are bad. THEIR taxes ARE bad. War is bad for everyone, except those who make bombs. Health insurance is bad for everyone except health care advertisers, Blue Shield CEO's, etc..

Health care like Medicare is like the highways we drive on. Nobody is going broke over new highways. And yet we have (or rather HAD) good roads. Our priorities are screwed up. Bridges to nowhere, unending wars (mil-spec at that).

Give us mil-spec health care. That's where our money should be going. It's one thing when you're healthy. But just get sick and see how fun life is. I'm beginning to fall apart, and now I know what it feels like to wake up lousy every day.

That was a long winded way of making my point that this could be a not out of pocket health care. It's something we WANT. Desperately want. And need.

Do not get sidetracked by the screaming and hyping. The corporations are doing all they can to confuse us.



By the way, I remember when we didn't have to have car insurance. And I didn't have it. Not until they forced me. I was pissed. And I'm still pissed about it. So I'm on your side of this kind of thinking. I would far prefer a public option on car insurance as well. Get the attorneys and insurance companies out of my pocket book. I'm going broke over this. I'm ready to pull my '55 Chevy pickup out of storage and toss my F350. It's just not worth the nearly one thousand bucks it costs per year in insurance. I only drive a thousand miles a year. That's a buck a mile in insurance! Fuck! It's no different than health insurance. They're making a killing!