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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:20 AM
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Post here if you have figured out that you're sensitive to high fructose sugars
Quite by accident, I found this out. I have to go on a liquid fast and I was frantic because I control my hypoglycemia with carb/protein combinations. So, each day I experimented, trying a new product to see if it could take me past the two hour hump in the morning. For some reason, nothing but food worked in the past. Trying to drink anything, including orange juice, only made it worse as the sugar spike would accelerate the symptoms. Like hypoglycemic one minute, and diabetic the next.

Well, I found the correlation. And boy, am I pissed. All those wasted years on high fructose poison.

So, where do we go to start a movement to bring in more "No sugar added" drinks?
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:22 AM
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1. I know I am....
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:25 AM
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3. Is it like living on the low branches?
I get a swooney feeling like I'm sitting on a low branch of a tree.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:32 AM
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6. Yes...and also get confused easily even trying to follow my own thoughts..
usually in morning after having slipped and had sugar the night before.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:25 AM
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2. I'm sensitive to any simple carbs (sugars) really, no matter what their original source.
Just FYI, the opposite of "hypoglycemic" is "hyperglycemic." Diabetics can be hypoglycemic, hyperglycemic, or in normal range for blood glucose levels at any given time.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:40 AM
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10. Me too...in fact, my stomach bloats up
soon afterward and then I get these really nasty sores at the corners of my mouth from eating lots of sugary stuff.

I also get the hypoglycemic episodes every now and then, but usually only after a long period (months) of stress during which I imagine my glucose level probably stays high. Then when the stress is over, I go through a few weeks or months of the opposite.

My "cure" is to have smaller, more frequent meals, and stay away from sugar of any kind (hard because I'm addicted to the stuff). I have a small glass of milk and a couple of those packaged peanut butter or cheese crackers before bed, since I'm more prone to hypo episodes in the middle of the night.

Mr Pip is a diabetic and we've had a few scares with him and hypo episodes. One time he had a reading of 29. I'm just glad we have a few glucagon injection kits here.






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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:26 AM
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4. Cue the ADM shills in 5...4...3...
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:28 AM
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5. Yep
Any sugars, really and most starches. But the high fructose sugars tend to set off symptoms worse than others.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:37 AM
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7. btw, there are plenty of "no sugar added" drinks, but you have to look around to find them. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:20 PM
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14. So far I've found Welch's aqua juice, ocean spray has at least three options;
and a soda drink called Izze.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:56 PM
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24. Get a juicer
Add a splash of fresh fruit juice to a glass of seltzer on ice - delicious!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:38 AM
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8. I try very hard to find drinks without HFCS these days..
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:41 AM
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11. Get plain seltzer and add a little pure juice or wine, just
enough to give it a touch of color and flavor.

Add about a tablespoonful of white grape juice to a glass of seltzer, and you have a refreshing summer drink.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:21 PM
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15. Hmmm. sounds like it would be good during the juice fast because
the fizz might give me a feeling of fullness?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:27 AM
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32. And it makes the juice tastier. It's kind of like an all-natrual soda. :^)
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:14 AM
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34. Kosher Coke is still made with sugar
For those of us who crave the occasional cola. Also, outside the U.S., many soft drinks are still manufactured using real sugar.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 10:10 AM
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40. Hencho in Mexico
Coke from Mexico, where the people rejected HFCS for the taste, is also still Coke.
I also drink many sodas that are sweetened with Stevia, they are new and delish. Brand name is Zevia. Try healthier markets to find it. Yummm.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:39 AM
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9. I KNOW that refined sugar is bad for me
I get joint pains after eating too much sugar, and cutting out all refined carbs (sugar, white flour) is the only thing that keeps my weight at its current set point.

Fortunately, I live very close to a food co-op, where I can get what I need.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:42 AM
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12. High fructose corn syrup is typically 55% fructose; cane sugar is 50% fructose
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SPedigrees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:26 AM
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31. Cane sugar is sucrose. Get your facts straight. nt
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:42 AM
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13. I am.
Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 10:47 AM by distantearlywarning
Used to feel sick all the time, lots of IBS type symptoms, weird hypoglycemic episodes which made me feel like I was having a panic attack or going to faint, sometimes feeling like I was in a "mental fog" and couldn't figure out why, etc.

Then I went to Europe for two weeks, and like magic all my problems went away, even though I was eating lots more fat and sugar than I typically do at home (creme brulee after dinner every night and so forth). I also lost 5 lbs during those 2 weeks, with seemingly no effort at all.

On the plane ride home, I wondering if maybe HFCS was to blame. After a few days back in the States, sure enough, I started to feel sick and horrible regularly, like my "old self" again. I decided to do some experimentation, and sure enough, every time I ate something with a lot of HFCS (like soda), I was sick in the bathroom a few hours later, and felt like crap the rest of the day.

I threw away everything in my cabinet with HFCS in it that week, and have never looked back. It's a pain in the ass trying to pick through all the food that has HFCS in it, but I feel much better now than I did before.

Oh, and I've lost 20 lbs since then too.

Several of my friends have now cut it out of their diet as well, seeing how studiously I avoid it, and they have also reported feeling better.

That stuff is shit, and no amount of condescending ads from the corn industry will convince me differently.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:24 PM
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16. We could be twins.
All your experiences with HFCS are similar, including feeling better when I was traveling where I had better and different food options.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:19 PM
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30. Same here with the IBS symtoms
It really acts like poison to my system.
Nasty stuff.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:28 PM
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17. I've found that HFCS disaligns my chakras.
I've ascertained this via ouija, and confirmed it with chicken entrails.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:47 PM
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22. It just gives me a ride on the merry-go-round.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:29 PM
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18. Pretty much everyone is susceptible to swelling of the belly, hips and thighs
if HFCS is consumed.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:52 PM
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20. Not when I was younger...
Up till about the age of 35 I could eat just about anything, including stuff dripping with HFCS. Never gained an ounce, never bloated. I was a skinny straight up and down stick.

But I guess years of being exposed to a lot of trashy food finally caught up with me. Even after 35 it wasn't that bad, but once I got just before full menopause, that's when the sugarshit hit the fan, so to speak.

:(
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:31 PM
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19. Simple sugars caused me to become DE-sensitized to Leptin. It isn't just high fructose sugars.
Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 03:56 PM by KittyWampus
Americans have become Leptin and Insulin resistant. And their bodies then crave ever more sugar and carbs that act like sugar.

Our bodies need sugars that come with more fiber and digest further down the gut.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 04:01 PM
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21. Glucose engenders insulin resistance: fuctose impairs liver function and triglycerides
It probably takes more glucose to cause problems than fructose, but we are evolved to eat only a measured amount of fructose in natural fruits. And a somewhat larger amount of glucose from the breakdown of carbohydrates in vegatables.

Artificial sweetners like HFCS and cane sugar are both bad. White flour or other pure starches are almost as bad, because the body breaks these down directly to glucose.
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:52 PM
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23. So the last week or two
I get up with blood sugar 175 or greater. Very simple meal following the actual portion sizes for breakfast and my two hour mark is 275 or higher. Tested myself hourly today and was mostly well over 200.

It's getting bad
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 09:17 PM
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27. I'm not in the testing stage yet. I'm sure my time will come.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 08:06 PM
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25. I found out about HFCS from reading DU; now I read labels and it's in practically everything...
When my 31 y.o. son was a toddler he had gut problems and I had to read labels closely -- however when he outgrew them I quit doing that.

I would have remembered, though, if HFCS had been on nearly every label then, and it was not. The widespread use of that particular sweetener does correlate with the rise of America's obesity epidemic -- one cause among many, but still a remarkable coinkydink.

When you see "no sugar added" you still have to check for carbohydrates (fruit juices are quite high because of the fructose in fruits), and you have to check that they simply have not substituted other things for cane sugar. Claims in the big print can be very deceptive.

Hekate

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 09:18 PM
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28. If we don't start a movement to lower the sugar levels, it won't change.
Does anybody know if this is western disease?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 10:01 PM
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29. Yes. Obesity and the cluster of diseases that go with it are correlated with Western diet ...
By now there is no question that when populations that never used to have much incidence of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease switch to a Western diet -- at that point they begin to show all the same diseases that we see here.

Hekate

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:22 AM
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35. I guess at the core of capitalism, is the essential principle that corporations
get to be as stupid as they wannabe and are allowed to keep their consumers ignorant of the facts. Because, this high fructose crap is like connecting cigarettes to lung cancer. The only difference is that cigarette smoking was a choice. Our generations were lab rats.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 08:33 PM
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26. Yes nt
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:13 AM
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33. For me, it's the anti-food
Even in small amounts, I will be gnawing on the furniture in half an hour after ingesting anything containing HFCS. I stick mainly to protein and veggies, and only whole grains. My general rule is that white foods are bad for me, and that includes bread and sugar. I miss white potatoes, though. But their glycemic index is ridiculously high.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:24 AM
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36. Doesn't it frustrate you that none of the regular docs seem to be
prepared to explain all this stuff to us, and we have to figure it out on our own?
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:32 AM
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38. I used to laugh when a co-worker said "you have to be your own doctor"
But I have learned that it's true. I do my research before going to the doctor and usually get him to confirm my own diagnosis. I treat him more or less like a medicine dispenser. Of course, then the insurance company steps in and tells me what medicine *it* thinks I need to be on. Amazing that they can diagnose me from 500 miles away without ever having met me.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:25 AM
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37. my daughter is
If she gets enough HFCS, it will stop her intestines up something terrible :(
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:36 AM
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39. There should be more sugar free options
I agree. But I just stick to mainly water and the actual fruit nowadays. Every now and then I slip and use Crystal Light or something (which I think is almost as bad or worse than sugar).
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