My co-worker told me about 3 news stories today

[Chemisse]

That I somehow managed to 'miss':

1. scientists discovered that the polar ice may be melting in some places but it is refreezing in others, so there is no net loss

2. in England, they passed a new rule saying that all dying patients will now have their IVs removed

3. illegal immigrants will be covered by the proposed health care plan and it is specifically stated in line 151


Has anybody seen anything even resembling these? I think he just made this shit up, which really pisses me off. It's bad enough for Republicans to twist the facts to suit their argument, but to just make crap up??!!

Why can't I just exist in a utopia where there are no right wingers spewing their fallacies?

[WeDidIt]

1. Tell your co=worker to provide the links

or they are all lies.

[Kerrytravelers]

6. Links from unbiased sources.

We won't accept Faux. They won't accept MSNBC. So... Time? Newsweek?

The line from the bill must be from the actual legislation, not what someone said is in there.

I want this from the government site in England. Not some opinion piece, but the actual government mandate.

What scientists? This must somehow be reported on in a scientific journal somewhere. Prove it.



Seems like you work with a real idiot. Kind of reminds me of the kookiness of this guy.

[Chemisse]

10. I'm gonna ask him for links tomorrow

I can just imagine all the people who completely believe him when he says this crap.

[JuniperLea]

19. My RW cousin ignored my links to WHO and the CIA

When I was telling him that Canada is #8 on the list of highest life expectancy, and we are at #50... he was saying Canadians all come down here to see doctors and have surgeries... so OUR healthcare MUST be best... despite us being #50 and they being #8... I can't get an answer to this one simple question... why? Why is it Canadians live longer if our healthcare is better?

There's just no way to reason with the unreasonable.

[Kerrytravelers]

25. That's what Mr. kt always says:

You can't reason with the unreasonable.
You can't use logic with the illogical.
To do so is a waste of your time, and you're sure to drop a few IQ points.

[Chemisse]

35. There really isn't - they just want to believe it is the way they think it is

And will tune out any logic that contradicts it.

It's most frustrating.

[krispos42]

53. Tell him this...

1) at any given time there are about 750,000 Canadians in the US. If they get sick, they go to the nearest American hospital for treatment.

2) Most of Canada's population lives within 100 miles of the US border. Toronto, Montreal, and Ottowa are all within about 50 miles of the US border, and are of course surrounded by suburbs. When there is a serious medical condition (like a car accident) the ambulances bring the injured to the nearest hospital regardless of which side of the border it is on. Schlepping somebody gushing blood 20 miles to Buffalo instead of 60 miles to Toronto hardly qualifies Buffalo as being "best", just closest.

[tabatha]

2. Made up shit.

Ask him for links.

Send him this for ice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgvNO_WT9o
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003400/a003474/index.html

[YOY]

3. Ask them to provide sources. If they cannot bet them money.

Make them wager money on the shit that comes out of their mouths. They never will. That's the point where you tell them "well if you can't put your money where your mouth is then keep both to yourself."

[Chemisse]

4. Ooooo! I like that idea.

I could do it jokingly too, so it would not be some big confrontation that hurts our working relationship.

[YOY]

14. That's why the office freep hates me.

I started betting him a thousand (NO TWO THOUSAND) dollars on the shit that kept coming out of his mouth unwanted and in the manner that he knew something that no one else did. Hand extended ready to give. He just kept talking about new BS. I kept asking him to bet on it.

He wouldn't take it. There has to be a way to make money off of these people.

Of course I and a liberal colleague deduced he votes Republican because he hates the IRS and the rest is just self convincing fluff. Twice had to declare bankruptcy because he wasn't paying his taxes and the IRS got him. He just hates paying taxes. That's what he stands for and any lie he can use to get folks to vote like him...well all the better.

[Chemisse]

37. Hmm, I was thinking five bucks - nt

[YOY]

43. You don't have to have it when you have facts.

I don't exactly have 1K lying around. I COULD if I needed it.

[Warpy]

5. Sounds like the AM radio "source"

You know about that, right? Clueless people listen to other clueless people call in to those shows and think it gives them a clue.

They do love to play the "I know something you don't know" game, don't they? It's really too bad what they "know" is pure crap.

[YOY]

13. Sorry.

wrong post to reply to.

[Richard D]

15. Call BS on that

Bankruptcy doesn't absolve a person of paying back taxes at all.

[YOY]

17. Sure...but that's what he had to do.

AFTER he paid his taxes is when he declared it. After a long legal fight.

[Richard D]

20. Ah

thanks for the clarification.

[YOY]

23. One can understand his intense dislike of the IRS but to do it twice is pure idiocy.

And the funniest part? He gives financial advice to the Indian Immigrants at work. One had an investment he recommended blow up in his face...and he keeps asking. Not too sharp that one.

[sandnsea]

7. well here's the ice "story"

They take routine winter accumulation and pretend it is new ice.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/16/artic-sea-ice-melt-season-officially-over-up-over-9-from-last-year/

[tabatha]

18. Please look for a debunking of that article.

That site is energetically against the global warming/climate change research.

"The above is from NASA's Scientific Visualization Studio which shows the massive ice melt that is occurring at the north pole. Today the AP reported on some history making news:

Greenland's ice sheet melted nearly 19 billion tons more than the previous high mark, and the volume of Arctic sea ice at summer's end was half what it was just four years earlier, according to new NASA satellite data obtained by The Associated Press.

"The Arctic is screaming," said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the government's snow and ice data center in Boulder, Colo.
Just last year, two top scientists surprised their colleagues by projecting that the Arctic sea ice was melting so rapidly that it could disappear entirely by the summer of 2040.
This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: "At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions."

http://logicalscience.blogspot.com/

[sandnsea]

24. Common sense should debunk it

The OP asked whether they just make this shit up and I was posting where it comes from. They take science and twist it until it's unrecognizeable.

What we need to do is show people how to think their way through scientific fact correctly.

[tabatha]

26. Here is an article that says the opposite:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/09/03/national/w110104D96.DTL&tsp=1

[sandnsea]

31. Well of course there's an article that says the opposite

That's my point. They take science and twist it until it's unrecognizeable.

[Chemisse]

27. This link is more legit, and is probably the original source

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/science/earth/17ice.html?_r=1&ref=world

It begins with this:

"The annual summer retreat of the sea ice cloaking the Arctic Ocean appears to have ended with the ice not quite matching last year’s extraordinary recession, polar scientists said Tuesday.

"Still, the scientists, at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., said that the ice in the Arctic this summer was 33 percent below the average extent tracked since satellites started monitoring the region in 1979 and that the trend continued toward an ice-free Arctic Ocean within a few decades."

All it takes is a little crack in the armor, and they are all over it. Suddenly it 'proves' global warming is not happening, etc.

[sandnsea]

32. They take science and twist it until it's unrecognizeable

Maybe it isn't just the right that has a critical thinking problem.

[panader0]

8. "They're" going to refreeze the illegal immigrants IVs in England!

[Chemisse]

21. LOL - makes as much sense that way as the other - nt

[Richard D]

9. It's all BS

It's all been debunked already.

[Fire1]

16. As repukes should be. n/t

[Doctor_J]

11. tell him he's either a liar or insane

because he is definitely one of those

[JuniperLea]

12. I got this link from a RW cousin...

Attempting to prove that socialized medicine is bad... what he failed to see is that this is a survey of doctors, and it's not UK policy at all. There is a controversy in here about letting the elderly die... based on this piece's particular slant, I'm not buying it based on this story alone!


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576704/Dont-treat-the-old-and-unhealthy-say-doctors.html

[Chemisse]

28. Ahh, this is great

Tomorrow I can show him these articles and point out how he is wrong!

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. She doesn't know about the forced abortions?!

If your teenage daughter gets pregnant, the gubmint will force her to have an abortion! It's in the bill! You know, that bill that no one but the wingnuts have read!!

:sarcasm:

[barbtries]

29. i hope you laughed out loud

and called him on his bullshit.

does he believe it? i gather you don't think so.

[Chemisse]

33. I suppose he believes it

But he is devious about spreading this information. He cloaks it. He casually says, as though he is sharing a fascinating and rather pleasant detail (no anger or vehemence), that he read that the ice cap is actually gaining ice!

[Beer on a stick]

30. Just make shit up. Just pull nonsense right out of your ass.

Did you know I read a story that membership in the republican party is automatic qualification for the Freemason Death List?

Etc....

[Chemisse]

34. ROFL!

And yeah, I heard that the illegal immigrants are going to be getting preferential treatment at hospital emergency rooms, while the rest of us just have to wait in line.

That would be so funny!

[Swamp Rat]

40. HAHAHAHA!!!!

:rofl:

[OffWithTheirHeads]

45. Does he know about HR666 yet

They are going to replace the stars part of the U.S. flag with an upraised black fist!

Oh the horror!

[Motown_Johnny]

36. There was a story in Murdock's flag ship., The Australian, about polar ice in Antarctica

increasing.

But nobody else published anything about it, that I know of. And it was only 1/2 of Antarctica and it was only one study that came to this conclusion.

it was months ago

[southernyankeebelle]

38. You could show these idiots in black and white any issue and they would

still say your lying. Period. All we can do is keep moving forward and sooner or later these idiots are going to catch on. If not - oh well.

[DainBramaged]

39. Try these

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6734 (1)

(2) nope bullshit

(3) more bullshit


http://www.breitbart.tv/basic-standard-of-decency-obama-says-illegal-immigrants-should-receive-emergency-care/

He must have gotten a talking points email from the RNC

[sakabatou]

41. I'm surprised your co-worker's pants haven't exploded.

[ThoughtCriminal]

42. Regarding #3

http://healthcarereformmyths.org/HealthcareReformMyths.php#A3

So, what were your co-workers stories last week?
That Obama's speech to school children would be socialist indoctrination?

He doesn't have to make up this stuff himself, he just depends on sources that do. Tell him to give up on whatever "News Source" has such an astonishing record of lies, inaccuracies and lunacy.

[justgamma]

44. Number 3 is bs.

In fact Page 143 Line 3 , section 246 states "No FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS"

[Redneck Socialist]

46. Ask your co-worker how it feels to be that fucking stupid.

Why yes, my teachers often remarked that Redneck Socialist didn't play well with others. Why do you ask?

[csziggy]

47. Here is #3 disproven - "Pants on Fire!"

#3 -

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services. Pants on Fire! Section 152 includes a generic nondiscrimination clause, which says insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." It says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that undocumented aliens will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

[JuniperLea]

48. Good stuff!

Can you fix the link?

[csziggy]

51. Too late for me to edit the other post - try this

E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

[JuniperLea]

52. Many thanks!

I really should find the time to navigate that site...

[WhollyHeretic]

49. Here is a great video debunking #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nruCRcbnY0

[Javaman]

50. Tell your co-worker to stop drinking out of lead vials.

It will greatly improve his higher reasoning.