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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:27 AM Original message |
If we can't get a public option, then screw the sick people. They should continue to go bankrupt. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. 75% of those who face bankruptcy due to medical bills have insurance. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Good point. Title updated. |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I read that the Baucus bill not nothing to address this issue. I |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
2. We compromised already with no Single Payer. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That's all that matters. That you compromised. |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:44 AM Original message |
At some point you just have to draw a line in the sand. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. How did you compromise? You are one person with one vote? |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You're right I'll just give up thanks for setting me straight. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Well I'm not pushing my desire for free ice cream for everyone. I'm pushing free cats for everyone. |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Thanks for adding to the debate. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. No problem. :) Adding to the debate was the point. |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. It seems to me that you're more interested in ending it. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Any bill that makes things better for people |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Then that's your line in the sand. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. And passing nothing wouldn't be a huge waste of political capital? |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yes. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It makes me roll-on-the-floor laughing. |
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bigjohn16 (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. No I can't see why, sorry. |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
5. Your agrument comes down to "half a slice is better than none." |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Again, as I said, it is more important to avoid kissing Republican ass and screwing the sick people |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It is more important to do something worthwhile. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Here, this cartoon was written for you. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. No one is asking the insurance industry to police itself. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Without price controls, it means nothing. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. The 3/5 compromise wasn't remotely intended to stop or even reduce slavery. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. 2/3rds 3/5ths....whatever... |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
6. Furthermore |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
10. Everybody knows it's baby steps that got us all the way to where we are today |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. And somehow killing healthcare reform will make everything go faster. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Well we wouldn't need it we'd have universal health care. n/t |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Because ipaint would have enacted it by fiat. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Coming from someone who thinks a slight rate cut, ironically paid for by |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Replace "slight" with "huge", "weak" with "strong", and "enforced by ins. lobbyists" |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. No death panels, has the health ins. industry decided to bow out??? |
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t0dd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:49 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. I'd rather have ipaint in Congress than you, that's for sure. nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Glad to finally see who opposes Medicare because it wasn't for all. n/t |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
12. If we can't get a public option, the sick people are screwed. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Simple: make it illegal. Make it the law of the land. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
62. So pass a law. See if that helps. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
22. We're not fools. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Hmmm. That's interesting. I would have thought that those who vote for screwing people |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I'll bookmark this thread. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Bookmark away. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. It's not a racket because of those things. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You are assuming this is a negotiation. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. About the 15% |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
31. I've said this before and I will say it again. I'd sooner die than give the ins cos 1 red cent. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Not just you. You would rather all the uninsured die than give the ins cos 1 red cent. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Oh, now your version of reform is going to cover ALL the uninsured. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Sorry, you're right. You would rather have 2/3 of the uninsured die/go bankrupt. That's much better. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Really. It's 2/3rds now. I wonder what it will be if we give it another hour. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Me personally do not find private insurance to be worth anything. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. There would be no more "denials dept" if it is illegal to have one. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. UNTIL WHEN!!!!????!!! 5 yrs? 10 yrs? When they bribe politicians to change the law?! Don't be naive. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. A law that |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. PPL would REVOLT. Just like the wingjobs that don't want govt messing with their medicare n/t |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I'll go one step further and say... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. But people won't revolt if the politicans remove the ban on pre-existing conditions and lower subsid |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Yeah. The ins companies will go into debt providing care to all who need it. Keep on believing that. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. If they would like to go to jail or be forced out of business by the govt, they could do that. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Oh right. The ins co's will "go to jail". They ought to now... for genocide! n/t |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
47. I am not surprised by the reception |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I completely agree. |
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samsingh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
63. make members of congress have the same plan that is available to the poor |
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