Four Women in Lover's Gluing to Stand Trial

[The Straight Story]

Four Women in Lover's Gluing to Stand Trial

CHILTON, WI (AP) -- A judge has ruled there's enough evidence to warrant a trial for four Wisconsin women accused of luring a man to a motel room and tying him to a bed to get back at him for cheating.

The 37-year-old Fond du Lac man testified Tuesday in Calumet County Circuit Court that he went to the motel room expecting a romantic interlude with a girlfriend but instead ended up being tied to a bed by the girlfriend and three other women, including his now-estranged wife, and having his penis glued to his stomach.

Therese Ziemann of Menasha, Wendy Sewell of Kaukauna, Michelle Belliveau of Neenah and the victim's wife were each charged with being party to felony false imprisonment, a felony. Ziemann was also charged with misdemeanor sexual assault.

http://www.news10.net/news/thebuzz/story.aspx?storyid=66527&catid=159

[TransitJohn]

1. These women

need prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, including lifetime registration as sex offenders.

[samsingh]

3. agreed

[depakid]

13. Oh good grief- get over it.

:eyes:

[TransitJohn]

14. Get over what?

The law? Fuck these women and their sexual assault.
edited to remove a thoughtless pejorative that would've been offensive to some.

[Name removed]

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[TransitJohn]

16. Thanks.

Thanks for lumping me in with a fiction of your own construction.

[depakid]

18. Nothing fictional about it

Those are the facts.

(I know, a large plurality of Americans are factually challenged- particularly when pesky facts get in the way of satisfying base emotions like fear, lust for vengeance, etc.).

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[depakid]

21. Yep- I'm an elitist

One of those educated sorts that uses facts and honest analysis and also tends not to allow emotional reactions to short circuit my reasoning process or sense of proportionality.

[Name removed]

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[depakid]

24. No- look at any criminal justice thread on DU

Now, there are of course regional variations on the calls for ever increasing (and often violent) retribution- checking the profiles one can see where the tendencies are. That reflects cultural mores- but even in more progressive states you will see what the Australian opposition called "the law and order" auction- where politicians use the public's worse tendencies to call for increasingly harsh and disproportional sentencing.

They called for an end to the practice because it's not working it's not having an effect on most individual offender- or on crime rates and it's creating a dysfunctional (and expensive) trend. Namely packing and overcrowding prisons (which among other things is a public health hazard).

The typical American on the other hand- falls for the auction every time- to the point of Kafkaesque absurdity. These initiatives (things like so called "three strikes" and mandatory sentencing without discretion) pass by considerable margins.

Life in prison for stealing pizza- or whack "zero tolerance" policies- these don't occur in other western nations.

Why is that?

[TransitJohn]

25. And where do you see me come down in those threads?

I am consistently anti-death penalty in all circumstances, believe that the prohibition of all drugs is unconstitutional as the government has no authority to regulate individuals' minds, believe law enforcement officers are wrong in using force when not called for, believe in clemency and rehabilitation. Just because I wish the law to be applied equally to both genders as expressed in my reply to the OP you jumped the gun and assumed I was saying something I wasn't. That's not my fault. Have fun with your stereotyping though.

[depakid]

27. Never noticed before this one

Look- under the circumstance, this case is probably worth 10 days in the county jail, probation, counseling and a fine. I also wouldn't be opposed to diversion, which is used in many jurisdictions for fist time domestic violence offenses.

[joeybee12]

28. They need to serve serious time...this was not some crime of passion,

this was thought-out and the intent is clear...when you have someone like these batshit crazy women who PLOT such a crime, then throw away the key.

[depakid]

30. Proof positive of the points I made in this subthread

Nicely done!

[TransitJohn]

29. I don't know how much you know about domestic violence cases

but they're a bit more severe than 10 days and a fine. Loss of all 2nd amendment rights for starters. Usually 60 days in the pokey followed by 5 years supervised probation. Intensive anger management and psychological counseling mandated by the courts. All of this is standard for men charged with misdemeanor domestic violence as a first offense. If men glued a woman's genitalia , they'd for sure be charged with sexual assault, too.

[depakid]

31. The gender comparison isn't worth much under the facts of this case

Questions like whether there's a criminal history of assaults and likelihood of re-offending are more germane to the disposition of the matter.

[TransitJohn]

36. LOL

But it would be if the genders were reversed. Unspoken, but there. Face it, these women are likely to not face much of a penalty at all compared to men committing an analogous act. "Should" doesn't enter into it...this is reality, not some abstract philosophy of "American" criminal justice.

[depakid]

42. Exactly- reality

Women rarely commit these offenses, and under these circumstances, the defendants are unlikely to re-offend.

Different deal when the genders are reversed- and a different sort of deterrent value.

[TransitJohn]

43. And there we have it

the law should treat women less harshly than men. Thanks for finally admitting your sexism.

[depakid]

46. Irony impairment

...this is reality, not some abstract philosophy of "American" criminal justice.

[TransitJohn]

48. HUH?

Literacy impairment. Applying the law separately because of gender is sexism. How is that not reality. Oh, and piss off too.

[depakid]

49. It's about applying the law rationally

based on real life characteristics, exigencies and statistics- as opposed to "abstract philosophy."

Hence the irony.

[TransitJohn]

50. Okay you win.

They're women hence should be let off. Later. Feel free to get in the last word.

[The Straight Story]

44. You two should get a room. Just, uh, don't bring any glue

:hide:

[TransitJohn]

45. Ha!

:hi: :rofl:

[TommyO]

32. So they shouldn't be prosecuted for their crimes?

[Romulox]

38. Just a silly little sexual battery! Get over it, missy!

Oh wait, the above statement would earn universal condemnation here and most places. But "Get over it, Mr.!" works just fine!

[TexasObserver]

17. Agreed. They should be convicted and labeled as dangerous sex offenders.

[yellowcanine]

2. What kind of glue was used? Dammit, these stories never give relevant details.

[Beacool]

6. Crazy glue

A little acetone would have solved the problem in a jiffy.

:-)

[yellowcanine]

7. Acetone???? You are going to put WHAT on my johnnie?

Seriously, that sounds like a case of the cure being worse than the problem.

[Beacool]

8. Well, how else are you going to get rid of Crazy Glue?

Would it help if I blow on it while removing the glue? Air, I mean blow air.......

:D

[pipi_k]

11. Bah...it only hurts for a little while....

which is way better than if he didn't have a Willie to put it on at all...

Could have been a whole lot worse!!!

:scared:

[gatorboy]

35. Nail polish remover is worse?

[Berry Cool]

9. Yeah, all they needed was a little hairspray.

Oh well, they couldn't help it--they were stuck on him.

[Beacool]

20. Hairspray?

I didn't know that. The things one learns over here.

:7

[ginnyinWI]

4. is it just me, or does my state of Wisconsin

get way more than its share of strange crimes and criminals?

[pipi_k]

10. I always thought it was like, Idaho or Montana, etc.

We don't get too much of that strange crime stuff here in Mass. We have to depend on other states for our daily dose of odd and bizarre crime stories..

:7

[rd_kent]

5. I am very glad that these women will face charges.

Had four men done the equivalent to a woman, they would have been strung up by now.

[bain_sidhe]

12. "Had four men done the equivalent...strung up by now" Bullshit

You'd never even hear about it.

When this story first broke, there was another story about a man who mutilated a woman in revenge for her cheating on him. It got covered in the local media, and Salon's Broadsheet. That's it.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/08/04/jaeger_case/index.html

Now, clearly, the Jaeger case didn't have "teh funny" going for it. But no coverage? At all? Maybe a man assaulting a woman is just too boringly common?

**edited for clarity**

[negativenihil]

23. might i remind you...

...of the Duke case? We sure heard all about that. Kudos for picking out a single story to back your point though.

[bain_sidhe]

26. Sure, remind me all you want.

But note, too, that this story happened at the SAME TIME as the penis gluing story, making the side-by-side comparison more relevant. Note also that no "mutilation" occurred in the Duke story. And note, finally, that the point is that it ISN'T a single story - men assaulting women for "cheating" occurs all the time, is generally more harmful (often lethal), and it never gets the coverage this silly little stunt did.

And yes, it was a silly little stunt. It was, of course, also assault, and should be prosecuted, but it didn't cause the kind of permanent harm that the Jaeger assault did.

Oh, and also note, your snarky "comeback" probably impressed you a lot more than it did me.

[negativenihil]

33. Silly Little Stunt?!?

Sexual assault is not a "silly little stunt" - regardless of the gender perpetrating the assault. Didn't cause permanent harm? Are you a Doctor? a Psychologist? Were you present when this man was in the ER?

How exactly can you assert such things?

You can't. Plain and simple.

[TommyO]

34. How telling that you dismiss this as a "silly little stunt"

It was false imprisonment and sexual assault, period.

There was nothing silly about it.

[mamaleah]

54. "Silly little stunt" tells you a lot. Namely that sexual assault against men is still "ok".

I am oh so sure that no one here would DARE ever call an assault on a woman a "silly little stunt" and not have their account pulled.

[Romulox]

40. It makes me uncomfortable to hear someone downplay sexual battery as "a silly little stunt".

:wow:

[bain_sidhe]

51. You're right. That was over the top.

Still, I suspect part of the reason it was covered so widely is due to the reaction in many minds (albeit, in the very back of their minds) that there was something... funny... about it.

No, sexual battery is not funny. But I could hear the snickering out there across the land, couldn't you? And my point remains that while many people here are calling for punishments just shy of lethal for these women, few if any ever seem to get so outraged about far more serious assaults against women. None of the people repsonding to my comment have even mentioned the Jaeger assault or the horrific injuries inflicted on the victim.

And the media does NOT cover assaults against women as widely as this one has been covered.

[Romulox]

53. I'm calling for these women to be charged with the statutory crimes they're alleged

to have committed.

A sexual battery with a foreign object/causing physical injury + conspiracy to commit same.

"And the media does NOT cover assaults against women as widely as this one has been covered."

I don't judge the rightness or wrongness of actions based on a statistical analysis of media coverage.

Thanks for the response, at any rate. I do think your POV is very valid, but I don't believe that the suffering of one person offsets the suffering of another unrelated person.

[rd_kent]

60. Would you call it a "silly little stunt"

if four men glued shut a woman's labia?

[rd_kent]

47. Youre right, it may not have made headlines

but the men would have been strung up by now. And deservedly so!

[WI_DEM]

37. those women were pretty dumb to think they could do this and not face the

consequences. He is scum but the wife should have taken legal action (divorce) and his mistresses (I don't know if they all knew at the time they met him that he was married, if they did then they are pretty scummy themselves)should have just dumped his sorry, cheating ass. Now he gets the last laugh. Too bad.

[armyowalgreens]

39. They broke the law. They must face the consequences.

[treestar]

41. I think Wanda Sykes just got some new material

Reminds me of her routine where the woman who ran over her husband is in jail but gets to relive that moment over and over again!

[Elmore Furth]

52. Good lookin' guy like this has women fighting over him

[treestar]

58. this is him?

:rofl:

[cherish44]

55. Those charges will never stick

::rim shot::

[TexasObserver]

56. Would four men, including the husband, who did this to a woman face prison?

We all know they would all do time if four men, including a woman's husband, conspired to cuff and bind her, cut her clothes off, blind fold her, threaten to kill and mutilate her, and glue her labia shut.

And they would deserve being imprisoned for such crimes.

The fact that this is four women does not make the crime any less outrageous or less deserving of serious prosecution.

[TommyO]

57. You're absolutely right, but there are posters here who clearly disagree

thinking that this is either silly, or even supporting what the women did as "turnabout is fair play"

[TexasObserver]

59. I know. It's the double standard.

Some simply aren't rational about any kind of violence by women against men.