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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:38 PM
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AP: Canadians defend their health care system
Don't miss the comments below the article.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2009/09/08/news/doc4aa62222b9362254504219.txt

Canadians defend their health care system

Tuesday, September 8, 2009

By CHARMAINE NORONHA
Of The Associated Press

TORONTO — From screaming babies to frail seniors, Canadianborn or recent immigrants, the patients flow continuously through the waiting room of Dr. Kamini Kambli's clinic. Most have made their appointments that day. None will receive a bill.

The receptionist swipes their ID to verify their eligibility as Ontario residents for coverage under Canada's universal health care system. Kambli's family medical practice will be reimbursed by the government.

Canada’s system is called Medicare, and is much like Medicare in the U.S. for over-65-year-olds, except that this one treats virtually the entire Canadian population of 33 million.

"It's one of the best systems in the world. Everyone is guaranteed health care and it does not matter if you're rich or poor or what your medical condition is — you will be seen and provided health care. How can you argue with that?" says Kambli, who used to practice medicine in her native India.

To be sure, Canadians have their complaints about their health care system — about long waits for elective care, including appointments with specialists and selected surgical procedures; shortages of doctors and nurses, particularly in rural areas; and the growing costs of covering an aging population.

The Canadian Medical Association wants to mix private insurance into the government monopoly. There have been lawsuits demanding the right to buy private health insurance. David Sebald, a Toronto-based health care consultant who has lived in the U.S., calls for a co-payment system to "eliminate the hypochondriacs."

But right now, Canadians are setting aside their criticisms of Medicare and rallying to its defense. The reason: Their system has been dragged into the debate over President Barack Obama's health care reform proposals by opponents who say Canada proves Obama is wrong — that Canadians endure long waits for critical procedures, medical rationing, scant resources and heavy-handed government interference.

A TV ad sponsored by the conservative Americans For Prosperity Foundation spotlighted a Canadian woman, Shona Holmes, who has challenged the system in court. She spoke of suffering from a brain tumor and declared she would "be dead" had she relied on her government. She said she had to mortgage her home to pay more than $97,000 to get timely treatment at the Mayo Clinic in Arizona.

In Canada, groups quickly sprouted up on Facebook accusing Holmes of betraying her country and exaggerating her illness.

In a report on its Web site, the Mayo Clinic said Holmes was suffering from a Rathke's cleft cyst near her pituitary gland. The Web sites of several reputable medical groups list the cyst as non-cancerous.

"We've heard talk in the U.S. that you may die here because of long wait times, you can't choose the doctors or the care you want and that the government makes your health decisions for you, but none of that is really true," said Dr. Michael M. Rachlis, a leading Canadian health policy analyst who has written three books about Canada's system. "I think there's a lot that the U.S. could learn from Canada."

Rachlis believes the most significant lesson is the Canadian system's egalitarianism: healthcare regardless of income, age and health status. No one is left without critical care and consequently, Canadians live three years longer on average than Americans, according to the World Health Organization.

"The flaw in the American system," Ontario Health Minister David Caplan said recently, "is that first they check the size of your wallet, not the size of your need."

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:41 PM
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1.  If US health care is so great, then everyone would
switch to it by now.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:45 PM
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2. "The flaw in the American system...
Ontario Health Minister David Caplan said recently, "is that first they check the size of your wallet, not the size of your need."


Yep - the arrogance and ignorance of some Americans is astounding.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:49 PM
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3. K&R. Canadian friend older than me pays less and gets more.
Neither of us are Medicare age.

She pays less than I do for my very high deductible emergency health plan but gets far more coverage than I do.

And everyone is covered up there. EVERYONE IS COVERED.

It is unbelievable that our legislators are so concerned with making things fair (again and again) for the private insurers who have been so unfair to us. Dropping millions more from their coverage. Driving millions more into bankruptcy over medical bills. And then paying millions for professional bullying in August to protect their private profits. Private insurers have had over ten years since last defeating national health insurance to prove that they could do things better. They have failed miserably.

The triggers to decent behavior have been blown off their hinges. Been there, done that, got the pre-existing condition.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:52 PM
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4. There's also no reason why we couldn't use and improve on the Canadian system.
We already know what problems it has and so we could address those problems immediately. I also notice how often people want to compare the worst aspects of the Canadian system with the best of ours. I wonder what the 46+ million in this country without healthcare coverage think about our superior healthcare in this country?
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Quasimodem Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 01:47 PM
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5. 'Outcomes better' in Canada (Warning: Video)
Early in July, Mitch McConnell warned the Senate of the danger of enacting universal health care by pointing to the horrendous flaws and injustices of the Canadian system. Not too long after, CNN sent a reporter to Canada to interview a Canadian politician -- a Conservative one, just by accident -- about these charges.

The result was neither one conservative backing up another, nor was it Crossfire. The result was a calm, rational explanation of how the Canadian system works, and the philosophy behind it.

We also learn that like their American counterparts, Canadian politicians are prone to circumlocutory euphemisms. ("a complete creation" = "a lie")

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2009/07/05/sot.canada.segal.cnn.html">Conservative Canadian Senator Hugh Segal responds to Conservative US Senator Mitch McConnell's description of Canada's government-run universal health care
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:44 PM
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6. Thank you!
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