QUIT PICKING ON THE SOUTH....

[nomaco-10]

Joe Wilson's state helped put Obama over the top in the primaries AND the nationwide election.

Stop the derision and snark and start respecting and valuing fellow southern dems on this board.

It really does need to cease.

[Kahuna]

1. First recommend!

:applause:

[LisaLynne]

2. I totally agree.

Enough region bashing. Haven't we learned that yet? I mean, I wish all the right wing loonies were in one place because then I'd just make sure I was some place else, but it's just not the way it is.

[Lifelong Protester]

3. Not picking on a region, just one of its representatives

which I hope YOU ALL will pick apart or on.

I like my shrimp and grits too.

[scheming daemons]

4. Then stop producing redneck assholes like Joe Wilson....

I understand there are many quality people in the south.


You're just WAY WAY WAY outnumbered.

[nomaco-10]

11. For every Joe Wilson there's a Joe Smoe like me, that gets up...

and gets out and works their ass off to get out the vote year after year.

We're in the trenches down here battling it out year after year, and we get nothing but snide remarks and hostility for all the hard work we do.

[scheming daemons]

24. If the Joe Wilson's and Joe Smoe's were equal in number, the GOP wouldn't dominate the South

The fact is... there are far more like him, than like you.

[Kalyke]

90. Fact is - there's not.

We just have piss-poor media and need to encourage people to vote more.

BTW, your avatar is of a man from South Carolina who is no Joe Wilson.

[BlooInBloo]

98. It's just plain false that it's 1:1.

[Hugabear]

50. You mean assholes like Michelle Bachmann? Sarah Palin?

We could go back and forth all night - there are plenty of dumbasses all over the country.

[Hugabear]

51. Or how about Joe the Plumber?

:puke:

[Hugabear]

52. Don't forget Tom Tancredo...

Yep, there's another one...

[Hugabear]

53. Or Michael "Weiner" Savage...

Although not a Congressional racist asshole, still a pretty prominent radio hatemonger

[LaydeeBug]

112. 'scuse me, but there are PLENTY of assholes to go around from sea to shining sea.

and admonishing someone about the assholes in their particular area is a tad....well...stupid.

[LaydeeBug]

113. and while we're at it, YOUR AVATAR hails from south carolina

one Stephen Colbert.

[roamer65]

5. As a northern Democrat, I extend my hand to Southern Democrats.

We have 95% common goals and want to make this country a better place. My beef is with Repigs everywhere. They are anti-American scumbags.

A Southern Democrat, Lyndon B. Johnson brought us Medicare, for example.

[nomaco-10]

28. Well thank you brother/sister. Much appreciated and needed at....

this point around here. At least somebody gets it. :fistbump:

[rudy23]

6. Rec'd from Ellen Degeneres's home state to Stephen Colbert's

We do exist, everyone!

[Seen the light]

7. I think you're thinking of NC. Joe Wilson is of SC. nt

[Lex]

40. Exactly.

nt

[MGB67]

8. I know

I am a native Californian (65 years) and I have known the slings and arrows about which you complain.

[redqueen]

9. ...

not holding my breath.

[treestar]

10. Yeah, I hate that shit

Every state has Dems, and those who work in red states deserve more support, not this kind of bigotry.

[madmax]

12. k & r

[Juche]

13. Nobody condemns southern democrats

I have nothing against southern dems, or southern progressives. I hope nobody condemns them.

And southern voters were part of the coalition that got the new deal passed. Without southern voters we wouldn't have the new deal.

Buuuuuuuut

Ever since the 1860s white voters in the south have voted because they are pissed that the federal government forced them to treat black people with a modicum of decency. When the Republicans and Lincoln won the civil war and forced reconstruction, southern whites became strongly democratic for 100 years.

Then in the 1960s the democratic party supported civil rights and the GOP opposed them, so southern whites became republicans.

Now of the 13 southern states, white voters prefer the GOP 2/1 (about 65-35 margins) and in the deep south like Mississippi or Alabama white voters go GOP 80-90% of the time.

Of the 40 GOP senators, 19 come from the south. So 19/26 southern senators are republicans, and 21/74 non-southern senators are republican. And the non-southern senators are as a rule a bit more sane. Collins, Snowe, Lugar, McCain.




People have a right to be pissed. The fact that southern whites have voted for the last 150 years to vote for any party (irrelevant whether it was democrat or republican) just as long as that party let them treat black people like shit has really damaged our country. When democrats let them do it, they voted democrat. When republicans let them do it, they voted republican.

And the rest of us suffer.

Like I said, when the dems had southern support we got the new deal. So good can come from bad. But people are right to be pissed about this.

[xfundy]

14. I'm in the South.

And from the South. And, whether you want to admit it or not, the South is full of morons. It's just a fact.

My neighbors are fat pigs who can't get enough "fast food" and rail against opponents of walmart who dared to complain that mom-and-pop stores were forced out of business by them.

I've lived all over this nation, and am not back in the South by choice. It feels like I am trapped here. But the fact remains that there are a lot of idiots here, and that's just a fact. Live with it, and change it if you can.

[nomaco-10]

17. Have you ever been to Pennslvania or Ohio or Indiana.....

Same thing going on there, but nobody calls their asses out.

NOR SHOULD THEY! We're dems all and should all support each other.

[redqueen]

18. Look at you, trying to reason with them.

Good luck with that!

[4lbs]

108. Ohio has John Boehner, but also Dennis Kucinich and Sherrod Brown.

Throw in Ohio's Democratic Governor Ted Strickland.

In those states you mentioned, there are often Democratic Representatives or Senators that offset the looney ones.

Indiana may have Republican Mitch Daniels for Governor and Richard Lugar US Senate, but Lugar is loads better and more moderate than any Republican Senator in "the South". Evan Bayh as well. Yeah, Bayh is a ConservaDem, but I'd rather deal with him than the full-fledged looney Repukes in "the South." Governor Daniels wasn't spouting off about refusing stimulus money like a lot of the Governors in "the South".

Pennsylvania has Arlen Specter and Bob Casey, Jr. Now both Democratic. Even when Specter was Republican, he was far more sympathetic to the Democratic cause than Senators in "the South". The state also has Democratic Governor Ed Rendell.

However, in "the South", nearly all the Representatives and Senators are Republican and think like Joe Wilson. Even most of the Governors.

That's why "the South" gets most of the national scorn. The people in the South don't elect sensible Democratic Representatives and Senators.

Most states in "the South" have two Repuke Senators.

Alabama? Shelby and Sessions, both Repukes. Ooh goody.

Georgia? Chambliss and Isaakson, both Repukes.

Kentucky? Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning, both Repukes.

Mississippi? Cochran and Wicker, both Repuke Senators.

North Carolina? Dick "I'll hold up Tammy Duckworth's confirmation to the VA" Burr finally offset by the sensible Democrat Kay Hagan (who beat Elizabeth Dole). Yay, finally one! Also, President Obama won the state... barely.

South Carolina? Lindsay Graham and Jim Demint, back to having two Repuke Senators in another Southern state. Then there's Mark "Appalachian Trail" Sanford....

Tennessee? Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker, both Repuke Senators.

Texas? John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchinson, both Repuke Senators. KBH may be slightly more centrist, but still a Repuke. Then there's Rick "Let's secede!" Perry as the Governor.

Texas may be somewhat purple, but I long for the day when it's really blue, with a real Democratic Governor, and US Senators. Maybe by the time I'm eligible for Social Security and Medicare. That's about 25 more years.

Florida's probably the most sensible of the Southern states, with moderate Republican Charlie Crist as Governor, and ConservaDem Ben Nelson about as far left as the state is willing to go at this point. I don't think a Democrat elected to Republican Mel Martinez's open spot will be further left than Nelson. There's just as good a chance that it will go to another Repuke.

Is Virginia a Southern State? Some say yes, but that it's not really part of "the Deep South".

Louisiana's the same way. By the way, Bobby Jindal and David Vitter? Seriously?

West Virginia seems to have a problem with "the black man". Two Democratic Senators, and a Democratic Governor. So Obama should win that state easily right? Wrong. 55% voted for McCain, only 42% for Obama.

The vast majority of US Reps in "the South" are Repukes, and side with the birther and deather teabagging loonies. That's about all that needs to be said about that.


Is there still any wonder why "the South" gets so much scorn from the left?




EDIT: All edits were for spelling and grammatical corrections.

[madmom]

114. Until recently Ohio was all repug too. We're trying, really we are.

[4lbs]

115. Yeah, I know. It's extremely difficult fighting more than a century of history.

The great and sensible people in "the South" unfortunately comprise only about 25 to at most 35 percent of the voting population in the area.

The rest, ooh boy.

Fortunately, the younger generations are gradually changing the South for the better.

[NC_Nurse]

15. I'm a Southerner and frankly I'm sick of the South. We have the worst of the

worst GOP losers in the country. It's pathetic.

Yeah, some of us are trying, but that doesn't change the fact that politically speaking, it sucks here.

[nomaco-10]

32. Pity that you have adapted such a defeatist attitude. Sorry for you. n/t

[Joe Fields]

73. not defeatist, just realistic. don't you know the difference?

[Hissyspit]

16. Joe Wilson is from South Carolina. SC went for McCain. NC went for Obama (barely)

Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia

All went to McCain.

I live in NC on the SC border by the way. I've lived in the South almost all my life. A lot of ignorant reps in the South.

[struggle4progress]

124. That "(barely)" represents months of footwork and phone-calls by thousands of volunteers

It's the first time NC has voted D at the top of the ticket in over three decades

[AngryAmish]

19. Crackers are crackers

That is just the way they are.

[nomaco-10]

23. Well that's real helpful.....

and ignorant.

[SharonAnn]

58. And peckerwoods are peckerwoods.

[Zomby Woof]

105. You got that right

That poster is a well-established regional bigot.

Love your TN flag. :thumbsup:

[SharonAnn]

59. Dupe

[SharonAnn]

61. Dupe

[proteus_lives]

97. And bigots are bigots.

You're not clever.

[zanne]

20. I see no need to show ANY respect for Rep. Joe Wilson.

And if you think that disapproving of the moron who actually yelled out "LIE" while the president was speaking is wrong, you should move to another state.

[rwheeler31]

21. Stop electing assholes.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

27. I seriously doubt the OP was instrumental in electing Wilson. nt

[baldguy]

41. +1

[Berry Cool]

22. K&R

Just as I'm sick of Ohio getting the knock every time the Boner, Mean Jean, etc., open their pieholes and say something asinine.

[waiting for hope]

25. K&R -

Being bigoted toward the South is just as bigoted as some people can get toward those "who are not like them."

[Minimus]

26. Um no - I live in NC and worked hard to turn it blue. Joe is from SC.

[spanone]

29. i'm from the south. pick.

[bvar22]

30. The South is beautiful, and belongs to all of us.

bvar22 & Starkraven
Helping turn the South Blue!

[waiting for hope]

37. +1

[Odin2005]

31. The south gave us LBJ, Carter, and Big Dawg.

There are plenty of good Liberals in the south. And up here in Minnesota we have Crazy-Ass Bachmann and Timmy the Tool Pawlenty.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. When yer right, yer right

KnR

[sinkingfeeling]

34. South Carolina? When did SC vote for Obama?

[orpupilofnature57]

35. SHELBY fOOTE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST TEACHERS OF HISTORY

EVER. Andrew Butler ,John Wilkes Booth and Joe Wilson are assholes.

[Zomby Woof]

106. Booth was from Maryland

A border state, at best. No real southerner should claim him, no matter how hard he wanted to be one.

[RB TexLa]

36. You're wasting your typing.

[Lint Head]

38. I was born in SC. It is a bigoted state run by powerful racists!

They pretend African Americans are OK. They don't like it. I personally know people there that refuse to travel because they are afraid they may have to interact with Blacks and Gays. They are afraid to leave the state.

A lot of lynchings took place in SC.

Nothing will change until the plantation loving generation dies out and new generations no longer give a shit.

[nomaco-10]

43. Which should elevate those of us in the south to a respected standard....

around here because we stay and fight the good fight every single fucking day, and NOT be the butt of jokes and derision that is all too often the case.

BTW, you post is so out of touch about what is going on in the south right now. You might really want to educate yourself to more current times.

[bvar22]

48. Do you know ....

....which state holds the record for the most Black Men lynched in a single day?

SC has its share of bigots, but have you ever been to Utah?
Wyoming?
Idaho?
Alaska?
most of Colorado?

[Wizard777]

56. Dupe

[Wizard777]

57. Dupe. The board is buggy tonight

[Wizard777]

60. Yeah but some of those bigots make the best damned BBQ sauce you ever ate in your life.

I really don't care about Maurice Bessingers politics or personal beliefs. Just keep that sauce coming.

[mitchum]

123. You are absolutely right about that plantation mentality in SC...

and that's why the MYTH of southern rebellion is clung to so dearly by so many white South Carolinians.
Because it is just a myth.
Historically, they are some of the most servile people this country has ever produced.
Rolling over for the landowners.
Rolling over for the cotton mill owners.
Rolling over for the textile mill owners.
Rolling over for their current foreign corporate masters.

But as long as they still have the "nigras" to look down on, everything will remain peachy with them.

[Lex]

39. WTF?! SC was RED in 2008!

Check your facts.

[Name removed]

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[Mixopterus]

47. Ah yes

As measuring e-peens via post count is the height of intellectual rigor.

Nice insinuation that I come from a right wing board, though. Are you also implying I am a troll? I don't think a hard line leftist would mesh well there, unless the paradigm has shifted since I last visited.

I've been to the south, specifically Tennessee. It sucked, the weather was too hot and I didn't like the terrain. Nice mega churches you got there, though, I am glad the Neo-Calvinism is working out well for you. I especially like the gigantic statue of liberty holding a cross and a bible, that was a nice touch.

My comment still stands: Southern Democrats are fine by me, but your region is pretty backwards and loves to make comments about my region. We find it more humorous than offensive up here, to be honest, considering the source.

[bvar22]

49. Keep our idiots in check?

Sure. Right after YOU keep Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin in check.
:rofl:

[Mixopterus]

67. Uhh?

Bachmann is from the Midwest, Palin is from Alaska. I am from New England, specifically Massachusetts.

Argument invalidated, try again.

[tXr]

71. They are from the north, just like you are.

People from the north need to own their crazy politicians just as people from the south do.

[Mixopterus]

72. You are mistaken

New England is a different animal than Alaska, the Great Lakes, and Midwest. Stating that New England = the Midwest and Alaska is as fallacious as me claiming that the Southwest United States = the South.

Even picking politicians from New York or Pennsylvania would be more accurate, they have more similarities in their regional culture than the Midwest and Alaska.

[Name removed]

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[Kalyke]

93. +1+1

[Mixopterus]

103. Maybe

Instead of throwing around baseless insults you can substantiate your claims like I have been attempting to?

My criticism is with the pervasive right wing thought of Southern culture and the undertone of violent hostility that seems to come along with it. Your response to my severe, though not overtly hostile, remarks are proof enough of how deep this runs. Every single Southerner I have met with very few exception has reacted in a knee-jerk, almost violent fashion when pressed. You have regional, cultural issues that need to addressed, not ignored. We have them too, but ours are not churning out politically oppressive individuals with a mean streak a mile wide and a reactionary bent.

[bvar22]

78. Massachusetts? ....Isn't that one of those tiny, lily white states....

...with a Republican governor?

Isn't Joe Lieberman from "New England"?

We moved from the Bluest part of a deep Blue state (Minneapolis),
to the reddest, rural part of of a Deep South state.
We LOVE it here.


Please don't come here.
We have enough bigots already.
:hi:

[Mixopterus]

99. Your information might need some updating

Our governor is Deval Patrick, an African-American Democrat. We did have Romney at one point, don't ask me how, but that problem was taken care of.

And yes, our population is primarily "white" on the books, but that doesn't mean much. We have a stable population of Portuguese and Irish, as well as a Russians, Germans, English, Jews (Askenazi AND Sephardic), Khazaks, and more or less every European or Central Asian under the rainbow. We even have a sizable Lebanese population, and have the largest population of Cape Verdeans outside of Cape Verde. I, myself, am a mixture of Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jew with French Canadian and Irish. How many ethnic Jews do you know that were raised Catholic? We are far more diverse than what is on paper.

And Liebermann is from Connecticut, yes. My mother's side of the family is from Connecticut, and it has it's own entrenched upper class. I can hardly call Liebermann as extreme as what the deep south puts out, but he is pretty bad by our standards.

It appears our bias runs both ways. I cannot stand the South and you appear to dislike my region. Ah, the perils of such a massive nation.

As I said, Southern Democrats are fine, but maybe instead of apologizing for the severe inequities in your regional culture you could acknowledge that my "northern bigotry" is actually based on something. You do have to admit that the South has a preponderance of right wingers and pervasive right wing thought, which is actually my main criticism of Southern culture.

[Zomby Woof]

107. Ah, Massachusetts

Boston: more KKKers per capita than Atlanta, GA or Montgomery, AL. (Source: Southern Poverty Law Center). Where busing and integration were opposed as vehemently in the 70's as integration was in the south in the 50's and 60's. The Boston Red Sox were the LAST baseball team to integrate, well over a decade after the Brooklyn Dodgers signed Jackie Robinson. Still one of the most segregated cities in the U.S.

Massachusetts: The colony that introduced the slave trade to the United States. Even after the trade was outlawed, the MA textile mill owners loved the cheap cotton they received courtesy of slave labor. Plus, they benefited from the tariff imposed on southern ports. A kind of regionally-biased protectionism, if you will.

Remove that splinter from your eye, etc.

[Mixopterus]

109. more KKK per capita?

What the fuck? I'd like to see a specific source for that, I am finding nothing that confirms that claim. I am searching through the Southern Poverty Law Center as well as the ADL and a few other extremism watch sites and I am finding nothing that confirms this. I'm genuinely curious now, as that is something important to know.

Slavery was also already in the Americas before the United States was even an idea, Massachusetts just happened to have several large ports and what happened afterwards is merely what happened in nearly all well developed areas in the new world with access to oceanic trade routes. Blaming Massachusetts for starting slavery in the U.S. is intellectually dishonest, if you want to blame anyone then blame the nations of Spain and Portugal of that day.

[Kalyke]

92. You do know that very few Southerners ever talk about the Civil War.

I have never once discussed it with my neighbors or co-workers. It never comes up.

The only place it's ever mentioned is by bigoted {insert other region of the country dweller} on this board and others.

[G_j]

45. Strom Thurmond, Jessie Helms, Joe Wilson,

Lester Maddox?
--
I've lived in NC for 17 yrs., I love it!

But, I'm not in denial of many of it's cultural negatives. present day and historically.
Why are people so freakin' sensitive? It's like a form of nationalism.

The South?
I ridicule all America!

But if anyone wants to cede the south, give it back to the Cherokee, the Choctaw, and all the other tribes.

[Skip Intro]

46. SC has been my home since birth. That repuke goon does not speak for many here.

[Pisces]

54. He speaks for the majority. I live in a red state too, grow a thicker skin

[ecstatic]

80. Agreed. Time to stop enabling and be truthful

about our neighbors.

[SIMPLYB1980]

55. Thank you. nt

[waiting for hope]

62. Just a reminder -

the 184,583 people that voted for Joe Wilson in his district does not make up the entire state of South Carolina.

[HPULiberal]

63. Just a reminder...

I live in South Carolina. Obama did win 45 percent of the vote here. We are not outnumbered 10 to 1 like I read here in one thread tonight. I am not in Joe Wilson's district, my represenative is a Democrat in John Spratt. The next closest district to me is represented by Jim Clyburn, also a Dem. Even in Joe Wilson's district (one of the most far right in this state), he only got 54 percent of the vote.

And if you think your state is better, well it probably is. However, remember that no matter how much Obama won your state by there is almost certainly a right-wing blowhard who comes from there. Just like on the flipside we have Stephen Colbert from Charleston.

[rucky]

64. I wouldn't take it personally.

[autorank]

65. I like the South n/t

[tammywammy]

66. Good luck

South bashing is a favorite past time at DU.

I'm on your side. :hug:

[donheld]

68. Joe's state did NOT help put Obama over anything

except maybe a barrel

[lonestarnot]

69. South has been sorely abused by ins. cos. They don't need us to do more.

[TK421]

70. Doesn't seem to be ceasing....sorry about that

as a former South-hater ( I say former there ) I don't see an end to this kind of discrimination against the South....in fact, I see more of it to come....you might as well get used to it, though...

I've spoken up for the South many times....you people gave us Sweet tea ( which I love ) boiled bitter greens ( eat them to this day...you call 'em mustard greens..they are still quite tasty with the proper seasonings, that is ).......I could give you folks some recommendations on those seasonings, BTW

I hate the state of Florida...couldn't fucking wait to get out of it...I hope you don't consider that miserable fucking state to be part of the South....I sure don't...most of my Southern Hospitality was experienced during my trip through Georgia. I continually tell people how nice..how friendly the people of Georgia are and it was probably the best experience driving north I ever had...( keep in mind, I was strictly sticking to 95N all the way to P.A ) I didn't see most of what Georgia had to offer...I did a drive-by of the state basically. I think I saw enough, IMHO....that's enough

Peace....

[Romulox]

74. The OP is factually incorrect. Doesn't help your case much.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

[Lex]

81. I know.

Sheesh.

[bevoette]

75. pffffffft...get over it...try being from Texas, LOL (nm)

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

76. Primaries, yes. Not sure where you are getting your General Election info from.

NORTH Carolina went Obama, but not South Carolina.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

91. I was wondering about that one, myself....

McCain won South Carolina by a comfortable margin.

[ecstatic]

79. As someone living in a southern, red state, I have to say NO

I will not quit picking on the South until it stops electing racist, ignorant politicians who spout bullshit on public airwaves.

[Lex]

82. like Alaska?

oh, wait

[ecstatic]

85. All states are fair game for teasing...including the entire US

for (s)electing Bush, twice!

[TheKentuckian]

83. I'll agree about the region bashing but S.C. didn't go to Obama in the general

That was N.C. but the point is valid.

[Uncle Joe]

84. I see no difference between a regionalist and a racist.

I believe the human condition is constant and while all manner of circumstance affect personality traits; age, gender, race, sexual orientation, culture, history, biological ailment, exposure to information, etc. etc.

To label any group as being fixed or representative of the entire group is illogical as it divides and conquers on behalf of the people you oppose and is a disservice to all of humanity while being ultimately counterproductive to Progressive Ideals and the attainment of an elevated, evolved society.

Thanks for the thread, nomaco.

[depakid]

86. Sorry- it'll only stop when "The South" stops trying to impose their fundamentlism on everybody else

Until then, they can drown in their own self imposed ignorance, low wages and poverty.

[Kalyke]

94. I'm Southern and I'm not imposing any fundamentalism on you.

I can spell "fundamentalism," though - you know, speaking of ignorance.

[bvar22]

95. LOL. ...That will leave a mark.

:toast:

[proteus_lives]

100. Good catch!

That poster probably won't respond (his nose is too high up in the air) but I will!

:fistbump:

[Orsino]

87. The rule is: only we Southerners get to do that...

...and it had better be to make a point via hyperbole, or else genuinely funny.

[omega minimo]

88. .

[Kalyke]

89. Kick and Applaud

Like everyone in the South is an idiot or everyone in the North is a genius. I hate broad-bushing.

Palllezzzee! :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

96. ...

[proteus_lives]

101. In this area DU is no different then FR.

Region bashing is ignorant.

[saucy susanna]

104. Ah, c'mon! It can be fun, too!

We always joke about our neighbors to the north and they do the same to us. There are always little inside jokes that people from a particular region may get while others don't. Yes, I am sure that the South is getting painted with a broad brush, but I have heard people say they would never move there because of intolerance.

[redqueen]

122. lol... troll

doing what trolls do...

[leveymg]

102. It's not the Dems in SC we're all picking on.

It's the august history of militant, racist backwater elites and homicidal skull crackers from your state that go back to before the Civil War. Shoot, a bunch of punk military school kids from the Citadel even fired the first cannon shot into Charleston Harbour, missing a union steamer months before war was declared. Excuse us if we remember that SC was the first state to secede in 1860.

To be fair, the Know-Nothing rioters in New York City of the same era weren't any less subhuman. Just watch, "The Gangs of New York."

[windoe]

110. Divisiveness distracts us so more $$$$ can be made....

long as we're pissed off at each other, the real perpetrators are laughing all the way to their secret overseas accounts.

I have vented on this board too, and I will try to watch myself :)

[Blue_In_AK]

111. Being from the Socialist Republic of Alaska,

the home of the Twitter Quitter, I can certainly sympathize,

[onestepforward]

116. Hugs to Southern Democrats

It is not easy swimming against the current!

:grouphug:

[Downtown Hound]

117. Sorry you inbred hillbilly

But I am proud to say that I live in California, the progressive paradise where we have Arnold for Governor, passed prop 8, gave the nation Ronald Reagan, oh well, okay, I'll stop making fun of you guys.

[Are_grits_groceries]

118. Look at this effing map of the 2008 election.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/11/05/us/politics/20081104_ELECTION_RECAP.html?scp=1&sq=2008%20election%20results&st=cse

In SC, almost all the counties voted MORE DEMOCRATICALLY than before. They weren't Democratic yet, but there was a shift.

In Congressional District #1 Linda Ketner, an out lesbian, almost defeated a white, male incumbent. She used her own money, and the DCCC didn't help until the very end. That shouldn't even be possible if that whole district was RED.

In addition, the Democratic Party just up and ceded the South to the Republicans. It was the Southern strategy, and there was a good base of idiots to start with. Year after year, the Democrats were outgunned in most elections. There were exceptions because good people kept trying.

This was especially true on the local level, and you have to start there.

For years, people only heard one voice and one ideology. The Democrats probably would have still have lost the South, but we wouldn't be as many years behind trying to catch up if there had been a real opposition that worked at it.

I'm sick of Sanford, Graham, DeMint, Wilson, and all of the other knotheads. They are dying out, but they will only be replaced by younger versions unless an effort is made. I'm still making that effort.

I expect to go out and be attacked in many ways because I'm a Democrat. My family will see to that if I go visit.

Here I would expect more respect for who we are and what we try to do where we are living.

[1gobluedem]

119. I feel your pain

Michigan has been the whipping boy for DU for many years too and I don't really understand why. For the record, I love the South; it's beautiful, the food and architecture are spectacular, and it has a fascinating history (good and bad) but I loathe your Republican senators and their determination to bring down the domestic auto industry.

[grantcart]

120. hell I live in California and we have Bilbray

I just wish he would do something that stupid

[denese]

121. THANK YOU!!!

from Florida, with love

[xiamiam]

125. the op is right..but it is difficult to take sometimes..

i asked my friend last evening after the speech.."and why didn't we let the south succeed?"..ok, that was wrong..but im in california..liberal, progressive...i am so sick of their behavior..and they get away with it..why?...sometimes it seems that the whole country is held hostage by a handful of states..and a handful of powerful lunatics...you cant blame us for being frustrated...just seems to never end...and like i said, i know you are right...

[graywarrior]

126. Sorry.

But I lived in SC for a while and every day was like being in hell. I know for a fact there a good people there, but it has become more and more obvious that the norm for the south is to not like blacks.

[AlinPA]

127. "...AND the national election"? McCain carried SC. nt

[lunatica]

128. Quit picking on California!

Stop saying we're the latte sipping, hot tubbing, peacock feathering, gay elites! How silly. You need to grow a thicker skin. If anyone picks on the South just tell them to be sure to stay out of it.

[NRaleighLiberal]

129. I've was born in RI and lived in NH, WA, PA and now NC. No state has a clean slate.

There are things about living in NC that are bothersome - but I can also say that about every other state I've lived in. There are right wing whackos everywhere. I am not sure anything bothers me as much as that huge confederate flag flying along the highway in Florida (can't remember which route - saw it as we approached Tampa, to visit my brother there).