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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:59 PM
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When is a defender of Health Care Reform going to say a simple truth...
...Private companies can't "dump" people into a public option...anyone who loses employer health-care can buy subsidized health care from a variety of providers.....including a public option.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:02 PM
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1. Not everyone will qualify for subsidized care
and the income caps for who does have not been set.

Odds are many people will wind up having to buy some piece of crap plan with large out of pockets to satisfy the goverment mandate to protect the insurance companies but they still won't have access to care.


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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:10 PM
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4. i thought it was like 400% of the poverty level?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:21 PM
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6. The final bill will probably have full subsidies for up to 300 percent...
...and partial subsidies for up to 400 percent.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:23 PM
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7. 400% is what is currently in HR3200
but the bill is not law yet and Pelosi recently indicated that that could be lowered. I think Baucus' scheme has set the cap at 300% of the poverty level.

As of now, 400% of the FPL is $43,000 for a single person & $88,000 for a family of four. There are no provisions in HR3200 to change those rates based on where you live, though insurance premiums will be "regionally based".
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:02 PM
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2. Will employers even continue to offer coverage?
:shrug:
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:07 PM
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3. Yes, to compete for employees...
I know there's a strong anti-capitalist bias here, but not every business is screwing over their workers.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:13 PM
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5. You can have a capitalist country without a for profit health insurance
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 11:14 PM by mmonk
company between you and a healthcare provider. In fact, we might could eventually have higher wages again if we didn't and our companies could make more because it would reduce labor costs.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:24 PM
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8. Well my company would probably cut our pay if
we had single payer medicine. They call it an "incentive cut".:eyes:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:26 PM
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9. LOL millions unemployed, why would employers need to "compete?"
That makes no sense
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:26 PM
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10. Obama said, 'Likewise, businesses will be required to either offer their workers health care, or..
...chip in to help cover the cost of their workers."

I think he said that businesses with fewer than 50 employees will be exempt, but I can't find that in the prepared-text:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/us/politics/10obama.text.html?pagewanted=all
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