Alright, another screed from a Reich Wing relative re: heatlh care

[Narkos]

You won't believe this shit:

liked the speech about the character of America, etc. I didn't like the phrase that illegal aliens will not be covered by this healthcare plan. All of the democrats say 45 million people have no insurance. There are 33 million US citizens that don't have healthcare (only 10% of the population) and 12 million illegal immigrants which is how they get 45 million total. The only reason these people are being covered by the healthplan is to add mexicans to the democratic party. I'll bet that if the republicans offered them healthcare the Mexicans would become republicans. This is the Dems grabbing people into their party. Do the dems want 12 million mexicans in their party? I guess so. I don't mean to sound so racist, but here in southern california these good, hardworking people that entered our country illegally are bankrupting the state, closing up hospitals all along the border, and dramatically impacting the infrastructure.


If government has never been able to decrease the cost of anything, how will they decrease the costs of healthcare? If Obama wants to supposedly pay for this plan with getting rid of some of the waste in healthcare, why don't they get rid of the waste now? Why do they have to wait for a big, fancy plan to get rid of the waste.


As a small business owner, how much will I have to pay in a new healthcare tax? Will I be required to pay for health insurance for all of my employees? I've heard estimates that some small business will have to pay thousands. I heard $400 per employee per month. If I have only 10 employees, that's $4,000 per month or and extra $48,000 per year. Does my business have an extra $50k lying around? Perhaps, I was living on profits of $100k per year, now do I want to work so hard for $50k/year net profit after paying for my employees healthcare? I love the talk about America's character, but when the rubber meets the road, as a business owner, do I want to pay for my employees healthcare? hmmm... Its a neat idea, but at the end of the day business will HAVE to pass the expense onto the customer which means higher prices for everything. So now we've taken an industry that is already overpaid and spread it around to all businesses. It seems that healthcare costs are too expensive from doctors fees, hospitals and lawyers from medical cases. Until we do something about these outrageous costs, we can't reform anything.


Although I think some doctors make too much, if they are the best, then why should they be capped by Big Brother to make only so much? Its already difficult to get doctors to make it through medical school with all the loans, then take out loans to start up a practice. That is expensive stuff, so the cost to get them their license and practice is expensive, and then their time becomes expensive saving lives, etc. Medicine just costs that much to do business? I guess we've got amazing medicine doing amazing things, but whats the difference in the tragedy level of people not getting healthcare and older people being denied care? There seems to be tragedy either way. Except the elderly have been paying in their entire lives waiting for Medicare to take care of them when their old and this is what they get? Who is more deserving of the care the elderly that have paid in for so long or the welfare recipients that haven't paid in? The elderly or the 12 million new Mexican-Americans when amnesty passes? Of course, the healthcare insurance companies should be fined, bankrupted, and tortured for some of the things they have done to people. That's another area that needs major reform, but I don't hear from any politicians about insurance reform bcz the lobbyists are too big. We don't hear about physician reimbursement being cut bcz their lobbyists are too big. At the end of the day, I can't stand most politicians regardless of party and it makes me nervous to give them the power to force me to pay for my employees healthcare or to decided what medical procedures I'm allowed when I'm old.


On page 425 of the originally proposed healthcare bill it discusses healthcare rationing which means that if you are a certain age you won't qualify for certain procedures bcz the cost to life remaining ratio is too low. It seems that the costly procedures for the older people will be denied and therefore shorten the life of these Americans. What do I care you ask? I feel it is that generation of people that started Social Security, that saved us in WWII, that started the economic boom that has really made America the economic powerhouse we are today. These people have been putting into Social Security and Medicare their whole lives and now we are going to let them die because the procedure is too expensive. Perhaps the people that paid in for so long deserve to live as long as possible. And if the govt is going to let them go early, what will the program be like when we're that age? Will they let us die earlier because the program is broke in 40 years like Social Security is going now? Like so many other govt programs that get set up with good intentions, but our unethical, moronic politicians keep robbing the piggy banks of these programs.


At the end of the day, the economics of a proposed government-run healthcare plan will dictate what age people can live to. Right now that is decided by how hard you have worked in your life, how much you have saved and whether you can afford the cost of today's medicine. In a perfect world, if we could reduce medical costs, reform the health insurance industry, put caps on medical lawsuits and then give the keys to the government, would the new system provide better healthcare? We're asking to take from some to give to others. If the "some" have to bear the burden for the rest in the idea that hard work and accomplishments don't matter only that we're all equal and everybody deserves something even if they haven't put into the system, well now we're talking about communism/socialism. It seems like we're discriminating either against the uninsured that don't work or haven't put in their time versus the elderly that have worked so hard. I'm for those that have worked so hard and put in to the system for so long

[aquart]

1. Illegal aliens with flu or plague are just as contagious as citizens.

Maybe more so since they can't afford to take off work and don't get the treatment they need.

[Justitia]

2. somebody has too little formal education & way too much time -eom

[KharmaTrain]

3. Just Stringing The Lies Together

The only illegals when it comes to undocumented workers are those Anglos who hire them to skip out on paying taxes and benefits. If the "illegals" were going to vote strictly Democratic then why was georgie booosh such a supporter of "immigration reform" last year? He should have put all 12 million in railroad cars just like the wingnuts were screaming for.

For years the GOOP has covered its racism with the "justification" that "illegals" were being recruited by Democrats like some massive conspiracy. They do the same with blacks as well...a combination of denegrating and dismissing minorities to make them feel both "superior" and exploited. It also helps the GOOP raise a lot of cash.

Now if you were Hispanic, would you support a party that spends so much time demonizing you? Stupid is as stupid does.

[FSogol]

4. Response to relative: Gawd, did you type all that nonsense out yourself or did you

cut and paste it from somewhere? There are so many distortions and lies, it is really not worth crediting with any type of reasonable response. I thought you were a lot smarter than that. Say hi to Aunt......

[Narkos]

6. You're right. It ain't worth the time to type up a response...

these people are out of their minds.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. Just send them this.

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/deconstructing-rw-lies-hcbill.html

[Narkos]

7. Nice. Thanks for the link! n/t