would you compare MLK Jr. to Jesse Helms?

[G_j]

Amy Goodman to Glenn Beck?

Then why must some people insist on comparing the "far left" to the "far right"?


:argh:

[sandnsea]

1. Amy Goodman to George Will?

MLK Jr to Ronald Reagan?

Glenn Beck to Randi Rhodes?

There is simply no one to compare Jesse Helms to.

But there is a far left and a far right, and they're both wrong and ideological and disengenuous at about the same rate.

[el_bryanto]

3. There may be a far left; but the right wing has been successful in painting everybody left of

Olympia Snow as an extreme leftist. The boundaries of acceptable political discourse run from Ann Coulter (who thinks Liberals are Traitors who hate God and America) and Pat Buchannan (still trying to rehabilitate Hitler) and, well, Barack Obama (who is pretty damned moderate).

I'm a moderate myself; but when you exclude so much of the range of discourse like that, well, you don't get a moderate liberalism. At best you get a moderate conservatism, and frankly we've seen it get much worse than that.

Bryant

[sandnsea]

4. Maybe WE should paint the far left ourselves

Then they'd know who the far left is.

[omega minimo]

8. It would prove that you know who the far left is, rather than just waving middle fingers at the air.

[omega minimo]

6. Exactly. Demonizing a "far left" allows ProgressiveINOs to justify their "moderate conservatism"

[el_bryanto]

9. Not exactly my point.

What is a progressivino? I get that it's a progressive in name only, but what sort of policies do they have to support to be one?

Bryant

[omega minimo]

13. The PINOs are doing the same thing you describe. To cover that they are Moderate Conservatives.

"There may be a far left; but the right wing has been successful in painting everybody left of Olympia Snow as an extreme leftist."

"I'm a moderate myself; but when you exclude so much of the range of discourse like that, well, you don't get a moderate liberalism. At best you get a moderate conservatism, and frankly we've seen it get much worse than that."

[el_bryanto]

15. Ah- so admitting I'm a moderate, makes me a Moderate Conservative?

Or what?

[omega minimo]

16. No. I reread the posts. Maybe you should. You have to try really hard to take it the wrong way.

Don't.

[el_bryanto]

17. ok - fair enough. The word and idea behind Progressivino sets me off a bit.

[G_j]

5. so

do you think there are equivalents on the left to:


Ann Coulter, Timothy McVeigh, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Olliver North...
the list goes on forever

[sandnsea]

11. Not with the hateful intentions

I'm honestly not interesed enough in any of them to make the comparisons.

The left does not always have their facts straight and they often put ideology over real care for real people.

[omega minimo]

14. That is such a load of vague and convenient horseshit. Maybe you DO need to get specific.

:wtf: whose side are you ON?

[omega minimo]

2. because they can be smug about being "centrists" without defining it other than demonizing those on

their side and having someone to blame for their Repuke Lite mentality. :puke:

[TheKentuckian]

7. We don't have a far left in America. The whole thing is just BS to frame

every conversation to the right. To the right you can go all the way to batshit but the left ends a couple of clicks from center. You can't compare the far right to the left because it just doesn't make any sense. It's impossible to equate McVeigh with Bernie Sanders.

Hell, those of us that consider ourselves 'far left' should accept we are moderates from a global standpoint. Certainly, we can't let Republicans define where we are since they see McCain as a liberal, Snowe a socialist, and Obama a Marxist.

[omega minimo]

10. Well put.

"You can't compare the far right to the left because it just doesn't make any sense."

[sandnsea]

12. We don't have a far left in Washington D.C.

We do have a far left in America.

[BuyingThyme]

18. How tall was Helms?