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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:41 PM
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EXCLUSIVE: 27-Year CIA Vet says Obama May be Afraid of the CIA ... For Good Reason...


Exclusive: 27-Year CIA Vet says Obama May be Afraid of the CIA ... For Good Reason...
Alluding to the assassination of JFK, long-time high-level CIA analyst says Panetta and the President 'afraid of these guys because these guys have a whole lot to lose if justice takes its course'...

During my interview last night with 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern on the Mike Malloy Show (which I've been guest hosting all this week), the man who used to personally deliver the CIA's Presidential Daily Briefings to George Bush Sr., among other Presidents, offered an extraordinarily chilling thought --- particularly coming from someone with his background.

In a conversation at the end of the hour (audio and transcript at link below), as I was trying to pin him down for an opinion on whether or not he felt it was appropriate for CIA Director Leon Panetta to have reportedly attempted to block a lawful investigation into torture and other war crimes committed by the CIA, McGovern alluded to a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and noted he felt it likely that both Panetta and President Obama may have reason to fear certain elements of the CIA.

"Let me just leave you with this thought," he said, "and that is that I think Panetta, and to a degree President Obama, are afraid --- I never thought I'd hear myself saying this --- I think they're afraid of the CIA."...

FULL STORY, AUDIO, TRANSCRIPT: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7408
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:44 PM
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1. Heaven forfend they take any but the most cowardly path to diminished glory.
What a really proud excuse for doing nothing worthwhile.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:48 PM
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3. Well, it depends on what one wants to get accomplished,
and how to play the game.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:50 AM
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13. Cowardly for the President to want to avoid JFK's fate?
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 02:58 AM by DFLforever
You should read the book cited.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:45 PM
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2. BS. If anything the past 8 years have shown that the CIA is pretty incompetent.
They should know that following Cheney's orders would lead to no good.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:46 PM
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18. yeah, i have to disagree with that. the gestapo arm of the CIA is obviously way ahead
of anyone who like to change the nature of their actions. they operate unfettered by law or morality. they're answerable to no one and have access to all the money they could possibly want thru black budgets and covert activities. to say say they're incompetent is to suggest that they're impotent, and that's simply not true.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 07:13 PM
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4. CIA is just part of the secret government that keeps wars going and people starving.
James Douglass' book is a game changer. The great DUer minm wrote about it:

JFK and the Unspeakable - Why He Died and Why It Matters

Thanks also for what you do, Brad. Really appreciate the post.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:10 PM
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5. no but there may be individuals to worry about that are a few bad eggs planted by bush
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:12 PM
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6. JFK, MLK, RFK, Lennon
Peaceseekers don't live as long as those who wage the wars against them.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:22 PM
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7. WOW! This story has LEGS!
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:24 PM
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8. I hope to God he is wrong
However, he just might be!

:scared:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 08:51 PM
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9. JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters -- it's a MUST READ.
if you're a progressive and you haven't read this book, you must kick yourself in the butt for not doing so, and then use the 1-click on Amazon or get on the waiting list at your public library. it's an amazing read on a number of levels. i really appreciated the Thomas Merton/Kennedy Catholic angle. Also loved the research on Oswald. The final thesis is terrifying, and yet, explains A LOT -- I'm not one bit surprised Ray McGovern referenced it. It's a must-read.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570757550?ie=UTF8&tag=tbb-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1570757550




one of the reviews on Amazon:

In James W. Douglass' outstanding new book, "JFK and the Unspeakable," the author explains the title in his introduction. Coined by spiritual writer Thomas Merton, The Unspeakable refers to "an evil whose depth and deceit seemed to go beyond the capacity of words to describe." Regarding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the Unspeakable succeeded due to deniability by the nation's citizens of the horrifying truth of the event and to plausible deniability by the government agencies responsible for the murder. (Vincent Bugliosi's recent fictional paperweight is a perfect example of the plausible deniability that allows the Unspeakable to thrive.)

Many excellent books have proven that the assassination of JFK was the result of a conspiracy. Douglass verifies the certainty of the conspiracy and, as the subtitle of the book states, explains "Why He Died and Why It Matters." He scrutinizes the historical facts surrounding the assassination, from the creation of the CIA to the gradual obliteration of the freedoms upon which this nation was founded.

This book is primarily the story of John F. Kennedy who changes from a Cold Warrior to an altruistic leader willing to risk his life to ensure that the world's children will not become victims of a nuclear catastrophe. Equal time is spent on JFK's presidency as on the assassination but one of the many rewards of this book is the author's capacity to show the relationship between his policies and his death. And the book is a tragedy because it gradually becomes obvious that each step he makes toward peace steadily increases the hatred of his enemies who will eventually betray him.

It is also the story of the designated patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald. Moved around the country like a pawn by government agencies (as was the second "Oswald"), he was being set up as the scapegoat. Enter some despicable characters, including David Atlee Philips, James Hosty and, of course, Michael and Ruth Paine. Simultaneously, the Soviet Union was being set up as the evil empire behind the assassination, along with its satellite Cuba.

Douglass credibly illustrates the origin of the Crime of the Century. During President Truman's administration, the CIA was empowered to be a paramilitary organization with unlimited powers. Truman's successor, President Eisenhower, fell out of favor with the CIA when he planned a summit meeting with Soviet Premier Khrushchev. This was cancelled after a U.S. spy plane crashed in Russia. Eisenhower had reportedly ordered such flights cancelled and had his suspicions about who had ruined his peace plan. He subsequently issued his warning about the "military industrial complex" in his farewell address. But he didn't defy "this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry." He left that task to his successor, JFK.

The Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba was planned by the CIA to regain control of the island and to re-open the casinos for organized crime. President Kennedy refused to provide air support for the Cuban brigade because he knew that he had been lied to by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and by the CIA; the invasion had been designed to fail without U.S. support but they hadn't told this to JFK who refused to fall into their trap. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFK once again enraged the CIA and the Joint Chiefs by resisting their tremendous pressure on him to take military action which would have led to nuclear war.

Following that crisis, JFK became intent on ending the Cold War by establishing a peaceful relationship with the Soviet Union. However, many CIA and Pentagon personnel believed that it was better to be "dead than red" and that it was preferable to destroy civilization rather than let the Communists rule. They also knew that war generated billions of dollars into the arms industry. As a result, they would repeatedly subvert the President's policies and isolate him within his own government. Enter some more despicable characters: Richard Bissell, Charles Cabell, Henry Cabot Lodge, Lyman Lemnitzer, Curtis LeMay and perhaps the most contemptible of all, Allen Dulles. Ironically, JFK learned to trust Khrushchev more than people within his own government.

At American University on June 10, 1963, JFK spoke about his desire for world peace. He communicated his resolve to form a new relationship with Khrushchev. He spoke about the necessity of a pursuit toward disarmament. He related his intentions to establish a Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. He acknowledged his country's past faults and recognized the Russian people as wanting peace as much as the American people. "And we are all mortal," he stated. Though this extremely important speech was ignored in the United States, it was disseminated throughout the Soviet Union, per order of Khrushchev, who was prepared to respond favorably to JFK's peace initiative. The speech also certified JFK's death warrant. With so many powerful enemies opposing his policies and hating him, JFK didn't have a chance as he was being maneuvered into the crossfire in Dallas.

President Kennedy was aware of the power of his enemies and he knew the dangers facing him. But he persevered and mandated that all U.S. personnel would be withdrawn from Vietnam; he was determined to never send in combat troops even if this meant defeat. He also refused to intervene militarily in Laos. He exchanged private letters with Khrushchev, which infuriated the CIA, and secretly initiated plans to attain rapproachement with Cuba, which further incensed the Agency. Cuba's Fidel Castro, whom the CIA hated as intensely as it hated Kennedy, was equally eager to begin an American-Cuba dialogue. In fact, Castro was meeting with a JFK representative when the President was murdered. JFK died a martyr and the forces of evil that killed him also killed his vision of peace.

Lyndon Johnson, the CIA's ally, assumed the presidency. He cancelled talks with Khrushchev and refused Castro's pleas to continue the dialogue. He reversed JFK's withdrawal plan from Vietnam as well as his plan to neutralize Laos. The military industrial complex took control of the country. The policy of plausible deniability led the way to assassinations of foreign leaders, the overthrowing of foreign governments and horrors committed all over the globe. If JFK had not been murdered, we would not have had the prolongation of the Cold War, the Vietnam War, Watergate, the purported War on Terror and the steady moral deterioration of America. Interestingly, one month after JFK's assassination, President Truman wrote an article for The Washington Post cautioning about the threat of the CIA taking over America.

The author meticulously examines the evidence and draws conclusions which ring with unassailable truth: (1) The CIA coordinated and implemented he assassination of President Kennedy, an act of treason which destroyed democracy in the U.S. (2) The Warren Commission was created to propagate lies to conceal the truth from the American people. (3)There has been a continued cover-up by successive administrations and their stooges in the mass media. (4)The murder of JFK is directly related to the current domination of the American people by powerful oppressors within a shadow government that will continue to insist that only sustained war can keep the country safe from its enemies, never admitting that they themselves are the supreme evil.

This is an exceptional book that will be used by future historians to determine the truth about the assassination and how it changed America. And it will also be used to honor John F. Kennedy as a courageous president who believed in doing God's work on earth. In doing so, he came into conflict with the Unspeakable and his life was extinguished.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 09:49 PM
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10. An extra recommend for your important post.
This info needs to be repeated as often as the CIA-authored psy op myth that conspiracies at the highest level of government simply don't exist.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:29 PM
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11. I haven't had an opportunity to read it yet, but it's definitely on my list.
Does he tie the BFEE into it, esp. Poppy, the only man in America who can't remember where he was where JFK was assassinated?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 09:54 AM
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15. yes, there's some of that, but it's not treated in the usual way. he looks at the structure
of the CIA and where HW was operating from within that structure. and, there's something about the tone of his writing... it's not polemic. it reads more like a tragic mystery. there's a sense of loss and sadness, and from within that, a hope that we can wake up and fix it.
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rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:22 PM
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17. Dick Nixon
was also in Dallas and at first claimed he did not know where he was. eyewittness saw E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis there as well for those who don't Hunt and Sturgis were involved in Watergate Nixon appointed G. H. W. Bush as Director of the CIA My thought about our current President is they will set up a White Supremist to be the Oswald I sure hope more people read this book I have it and it has answered a lot of questions I felt were left unanswered I think RFK was killed by the same faction.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:22 PM
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20. Also don't forget...
Edited on Sat Sep-12-09 03:23 PM by AntiFascist
the assassination attempt against Reagan and the impeachment of Richard Nixon (which may have been enabled by Bush Senior). While these former presidents have plenty of reason to be demonized for other reasons, Nixon did work toward peace with China and Reagan with the USSR. For these reasons, they may have been targeted by early neocons.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:10 AM
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12. Late night kick.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 06:13 AM
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14. morning kick
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:23 AM
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16. kicketty...
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:14 PM
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19. K&R !!!!

What I find particularly telling is that Leon Panetta himself may be afraid of certain (shall we call them rogue?) elements of the CIA. What if these factions are more aligned with certain other international factions that want to undermine democracy in the United States?
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:32 PM
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21. Indeed.


A timely reminder of who's really in charge.....

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rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:35 PM
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22. kick
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:35 PM
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23. Then they should FIRE them!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 03:38 PM
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24. GREAT shows last week, Brad!
You deserve an Emmy for the work you've done the last two times you took over for Mike. Imagine if you had your own daily national show...

:applause:
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