Exclusive: 27-Year CIA Vet says Obama May be Afraid of the CIA ... For Good Reason...

[babsbunny]

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7408

By Brad Friedman on 9/11/2009 3:00PM

Alluding to the assassination of JFK, long-time high-level CIA analyst says Panetta and the President 'afraid of these guys because these guys have a whole lot to lose if justice takes its course'...

During my interview last night with 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern on the Mike Malloy Show (which I've been guest hosting all this week), the man who used to personally deliver the CIA's Presidential Daily Briefings to George Bush Sr., among other Presidents, offered an extraordinarily chilling thought --- particularly coming from someone with his background.

In a conversation at the end of the hour (audio and transcript below), as I was trying to pin him down for an opinion on whether or not he felt it was appropriate for CIA Director Leon Panetta to have reportedly attempted to block a lawful investigation into torture and other war crimes committed by the CIA, McGovern alluded to a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and noted he felt it likely that both Panetta and President Obama may have reason to fear certain elements of the CIA.

[Aragorn]

1. I lived outside Dallas in '63

'nuff said.

[HillbillyBob]

2. Something I have wondered about for long and long.

Just what was ghwb up to when he was unaccounted for and cannot or will not account for himself that day in Dallas, it was known that he was in Dallas.....

What really made me start to wonder was some things that George Wallace said to me, most of it oblique. The one thing I do remember was that he said " The Bush family are such crooks, they make the Mafia look like church deacons"...that has stayed with me since I lived across from the Governors mansion circa 1982 3.

[nashville_brook]

8. to me, "2 CIAs" means that when HW was director, he likely immersed himself in the "gestapo" side

from there, I take statements like Wallace's to suggest that the Family used the gestapo arm of the Agency for their own purposes. Legitimized mafia with the power of the United States treasury and military behind it.

When the mafia executes a "hit," it's usually one person -- maybe a handful of people -- who stepped out of line in a criminal enterprise. When the CIA/US military executes a "hit," whole countries fall and millions die as in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan.

[ensho]

3. agree

there are neo cons in the CIA

[loudsue]

5. Nazi descendants, philosophically.

A huge nazi element in the CIA since WWII. Courtesy of the bush gang.

[Octafish]

7. Two members of Warren Commission had extensive NAZI ties... professionally speaking, of course.

A fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission

Not that I don't believe in coincidences or anything.

[loudsue]

9. Zactly right.

:kick:

[hootinholler]

16. Some interesting links in that thread.

I especially like the Truman quote about cloak and dagger.

-Hoot

[mopinko]

4. i have been very grateful that his secret service detail seems quite fond

of him. not sure how deep that goes beyond the immediate detail. but i hope that they are in no mood to lose another charge. he is up against so much.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. Now, that's what I call being pro-active.

The sad thing is, that we have precedent for this line of thinking. However, now we know that fear is clouding Panetta's judgment.

[ellie]

10. Congress should de-fund the CIA

immediately.

[HillbillyBob]

11. Not just defund them detain them and keep them in custody

Close custody and interrogate until all the rocks are overturned and as the other poster stated, The CIA when it was run as OSS during WW2 did take care of the Nazis helped them shift tons of stolen assets to hiding in Swiss banks, helped Nazis escape, hide and create new identities.
Then dismantle the agency. The people who built the OSS were nazi supporters prior to even hitlers rise. John Foster and Allen Dulles for instance, I can't even remember who did what. There is just too much to remember and I can't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday half the time..well with all this other insanity. I have had folks come up to me over the years and just out of the blue start telling me stuff , from holocaust survivors to former intel folks to retired service people.
I have been told I have a kind face that is trustworthy.
I may have told too much here, I have seen a lot of things that would get me killed if I did tell.

[lostnfound]

12. It just dawned on me this morning that if the choice comes down to

prosecuting torture or getting to keep Obama in the White House, I'd prefer the latter. In fact, there are numerous things I'd be willing to give up (i.e., perhaps it is important that he not upset the 'powers that be') in order to keep him there.

I'm upset that the torture isn't being prosecuted, I'm upset that the health care plan is getting watered down, etc. but at least there is hope of progress in many areas, and at least we've got an intelligent, caring person in the White House. I still feel frankly grateful that he and his wife are WILLING to be there.

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. that might explain a lot of recent Presidential decisions.

and public statements of " not looking back" etc.

[bluesmail]

14. There 'may' be more than one CIA. One who's plans

don't change from administration to administration. Bay of Pigs comes to mind.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

15. There was a time when the CIA did things "The President doesn't want, nor need to know about"

The last administration changed that.

[DearAbby]

17. Then this is a rogue organization outside the Constitution

therefore illegal. And should be shut down. This agency has to be answerable to the President or Congress. Stop funding this shit.

[kentuck]

18. When the Bush family starts being friendly to Obama...

and starts saying good things about him, then he should start worrying.

Oh wait! Is that already happening??

[RobinA]

19. Call Me Dense

Obama killed JFK? Wasn't he just a baby in some offshore madrassah at the time?