Sorry to say it, but i HATE many Repubs

[samsingh]

i am very tolerant overall. But after all the evil that the repugs have thrown at the country and this world, i do not understand how any decent person can be a repug period.

[elocs]

1. Well, I hope hating enriches your life and makes you a better person.

I would be highly skeptical of that though.

[Orrex]

2. Nice post, Pollyanna.

:evilgrin:

[elocs]

8. Hey, if hate makes your life better, then embrace it.

I would much rather be called a Pollyanna than brag about hating though.

[pipi_k]

14. Funny you should say that...

I just spent eight long years hating, despising, loathing...Bush and company.

It didn't do a damned thing to change things.

In fact, it made me sick.

Hate doesn't make our lives better, it makes them worse. I'm really sorry you've been called a smug moralizer. People who thrive on hatred don't get it.


Now the really strange part here is that I'm not a Pollyanna by any measure. I'm often bitchy and cranky and cynical. And so I have to fight my natural inclination to direct hatred toward a group of people who will never even know I hate them. I can grind my teeth as much as I want..I can turn red in the face, have steam come out my ears, shake with rage, get an upset stomach, etc. They'll never know, and I'll have wasted all that energy for nothing.

So anyway, in the end, it really is better to control the hatred and be called a Pollyanna than to be eaten up alive from the inside with hate...

It's just so very hard to do sometimes....

[elocs]

19. Just ask yourself: what would Ted Kennedy have done? Would he hate?

To hate is easy, especially with just reason. Choosing not to hate is hard, and it is a choice.

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[pipi_k]

29. did someone say Teddy was the "messiah"?

He was a human being who tried his best to respect everyone.

I'm sure Scotch had nothing to do with that attitude. And if it did, then maybe we all need to chill out and have a drink every now and then, eh?

[pipi_k]

25. I know...ironic, isn't it....

that so many people here said they admired Teddy, and mourned his passing.

Teddy had good friends on both sides of the aisle.

But so many people who say they admired him aren't willing to treat others the same way he did.



PS...and in a very sad sort of irony, I've even seen DUers still sporting avatars of Teddy, and these people are running around spewing some pretty vile stuff. Sad. Very very sad.

[Orrex]

31. It's pretty damn crass to invoke Kennedy twice in the space of a minute

It's a petty and cynical tactic designed to trump any possible response, because who would dare to malign his memory or his accomplishments?


Go ahead and love every last Republican with all of your heart. I'm sure they'll appreciate it while their elected proxies are fucking the poor and the weak out of every last penny.

If such love enriches your life, then I say more power to you.

[elocs]

35. Simply making the same point twice. I didn't realize I was limited to once. n/t

[Orrex]

48. Hey, use your cynical, petty tactic as often as you like.

But it doesn't become any less transparent after multiple uses.

[Dutch]

13. Well, I hope smug moralising makes you feel highly superior.

I don't doubt for a second that it does.

[elocs]

20. My guess is that Ted Kennedy might have said the same.

If we all could strive to be as good a person as he was. I suppose there would be some here who would also have accused him of feeling highly superior.

[KittyWampus]

27. Smug moralzing? A rather straight forward post point to the ineffectiveness of nursing hate

is smug moralizing?

[samsingh]

41. i think we better understand the repug enemy who has declared war on the left a long time ago

read some of their comments of the last 30 years to see how much they seethe with hate.

[samsingh]

22. repugs hating us seems to empower them and gives them the

power over the healthcare debate while they have no policial majority at any level of government.

[lame54]

3. I't's o.k. allow yourself a little hate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtpF2uM7tWk

It's okay
Allow yourself a little hate
Hatred is not so bad
When directed at injustice
You can turn the other cheek
Just don't turn the other way


Enemy
of the planet
We finally have a common hate
A reason to
forget about
our differences
And stand as a united front
It's up to us,
we must expose, humiliate
American Errorists
We'll start with one

((THE...WAR...HAS...JUST BEGUN))
((THE...WAR...HAS...JUST BEGUN))

[samsingh]

23. thank you, that's my thought exactly

[thunder rising]

4. I empathize. If you can take a deep breath and let it go you'll be OK.

The Repugnants take that deep breath and hold it! :-)

[hobbit709]

5. I don't so much hate as loathe and despise.

[liberalmuse]

6. So do I.

Or rather, I do not like the sorts of people who are attracted to right wing extremist ideology. I can never get close to these people because I don't trust them and they are dishonest (sometimes without realizing it).

[Walk away]

7. I can barely be in a room with them. I completely understand.

This morning I rcvd an email from a nice little old man who used to be a client and occasionally sends a "funny cat" email as I'm on his list. Today he sent one all about Europe being doomed because they let 6 million Jews die and have now replaced them with 20 million Muslims. It went on to describe the Muslim people as responsible for all of the horror in the world (I guess Nazis got a pass) and encouraged me to send it off to friends.

I saw a neighbor last week who matter of factly mentioned that Barack Obama was a Muslim and want to ruin the country by giving free health care to illegal Muslims.

Two out of two! I really don't want to hear from another one ever again!

[FormerDittoHead]

9. I'm not sorry to say it. I hate bunches and bunches of them.

People seem to be wrapped in some kind of alternative definition of hate which has implications beyond the dictionary.

These are people (many Republicans) who would rather see your children die than have the taxes raised, even a little, on the very rich.

They are monsters.

Oh, let's not say "hate"...

Give me a break.

[Indy Lurker]

10. Most people aren't paying attention.

If your only source of news is 10 minutes (or less) of Fox News or CNN you don't have a good perspective.


Below is the top 25 searches from yesterday on Google. I see little of value.

This is where the interest of America lies.

This is our collective priority list.


If you can get a person's attention, and explain the facts, most people come around.

To quote Napoleon. "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."





http://google.com/trends/hottrends?sa=X#


Here's the top 25 searches

1. what did serena williams say
2. serena williams foot fault
3. serena williams vs kim clijsters
4. jack tatum
5. serena williams us open 2009
6. troy university
7. aaron krickstein
8. tate forcier
9. christopher kelly
10. what is a buckeye
11. taylor mays
12. gesundheit institute
13. jimmy connors
14. alabama vs florida international
15. us open tennis weather
16. alabama football broadcast
17. alabama football radio broadcast online
18. joe mcknight
19. iowa vs iowa state football 2009
20. maryland football
21. curtis enis
22. last big ten team to beat usc
23. lizzie mcguire
24. troy trojans
25. jacksonville state football

[whyverne]

11. Well they hate you too, so it's even.

I don't know how you could not hate the ideology that has wrecked the world's economy and caused untold misery. Americans on average lost 10 years of earnings due to the bubbles republicans refused to address. You worked for 10 years for nothing!

We now have our own version of the Taliban marching in our streets, some with their weapons showing. Just like the Taliban they don't want any change in their culture. They want their religion to be the law of the land.

Hate away, dude.

[samsingh]

28. i hate them for their hatred and what they've done to American democrasy

in the last 8 years.

i hate how they're treating our President and shouting at him disrespectfully and more.

I hate the wars they cause, withholding medical care from the needy, their war on the poor.


They hate me because i care about other people.

[Umbral]

12. I don't hate all Republicans, just those that I've met -

or seen on TV.

[Bluerthanblue]

15. i hate what they say and do- but i also know that

there is the same potential in me. And that knowledge helps me wish that they could have their eyes and hearts opened to reality. Which isn't always a "kind" wish- because often times it is only though suffering that we learn the lessons that so many selfish, arrogant, fear-filled, self-righteous, bigoted and hate-filled "republicans" need to learn.

I have thought, done, and said things in my life that i have come to deeply regret. If i can change and grow, anyone can- and so, while i hate the person that many 'republicans' are choosing to 'be' now, i can't hate them entirely- the potential is in them to grow and change too- and if i close my heart and mind to that reality, i'm taking a step towards becoming what i hate.

this sounds so stupid in words-

:shrug:

[HughMoran]

16. Same here

When I hear people making these insane arguments in my presence, I think "ignorant moron, I don't have time for this shit in my life" and I just stop responding to them, they are forever on my black list (unless they show repentance which does happen from time to time.)

[krabigirl]

17. I hate what they stand for and what they are doing to this country.

This country is moving so far backwards because of them and their influence. Come on, a Darwin film can't even be released here because of this Taliban? We can't have health care for all because of these pricks? And the real problem comes when the Dem leadership just bows down to this idiots.

[Name removed]

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[stray cat]

18. just like the right wing hates most progressives?

hatred of groups of people seems to be common between the right and the left

[Centrist_Bob]

32. Hating is too easy

Hating is the lazy person's way out. When you encounter a person espousing an idea you disagree with, you have to engage them to determine if they understand WHY they believe what they do. If they seem to, and they aren't irrational (no, not just disagreeing with YOU, but actually irrational, as in, not coherent), try to find out why their understanding of a situation is so different from yours. Try to follow the progression of the ideology. Where is it likely to lead? Where will yours lead? Where have they both led before and why?
You may very well discover that both you and your interlocutor learn something from the exchange.

[Centrist_Bob]

21. Anything specific?

Do you have anything specific you hate them for?
Or is this just sort of a general hate without any real substance?
Because if it's the latter, you need to consider how similar that is to racism.

[samsingh]

30. many solid reasons

i hate them for their hatred and what they've done to American democrasy
in the last 8 years.

i hate how they're treating our President and shouting at him disrespectfully and more.

I hate the wars they cause, withholding medical care from the needy, their war on the poor.

there is sooooo much more.

They hate me because i care about other people.

[Centrist_Bob]

37. Ok, let's take them one at a time...

First, "what they've done to American" democracy isn't specific. If it's just the last 8 years, obviously that guy is gone now. Many people like to see the country as the work of one person -- it's not. No matter which party controls the branches of government, even when one controls all three, the other still get their 'licks' in. And Federal bureaucracy is wide and deep -- not everything goes across the President's desk. No matter who the President is.

"THEY" didn't shout "LIAR" at the President. One guy did. A back-bencher no one had heard of until last week. It was inappropriate. He apologized.
However, H.R. 3200, as available to the public has no provision for verification of eligibility, and those in control of the House have rejected every attempt at remedying that deficiency. Claiming people will not seek to exploit that loophole is like claiming a law prohibiting children from buying tobacco and alcohol with NO provision for ID checking will work -- it's simply disingenuous. Saying it to Congress is insulting to them, and saying it to the American people insults them too.

"I hate the wars they cause".
Hmmm. CAUSE? I'll give you "engage in" although a lot of Democrats voted for it too, but I'm not sure about the cause part unless you feel Republicans are solely responsible for the world we find ourselves in. That is certainly a larger question and issue than your statement suggests.

I'm not aware of any effort to withhold medical care from the needy. We have Medicare and Medicaid. They're a financial tsunami, but we HAVE them. Anyone can go into an emergency room and get emergency care. There are many free clinics and no legislation prohibiting more. As harsh as this probably sounds to you, medical care is a commodity, not a right. A "Right" does not impose a burden on anyone else, other than not violating that right. You can go without medical coverage longer than you can go without housing and food, and they're not "rights".

"They" don't hate you because you "care about other people". Some may disagree with you because you want to actuate your "caring" with other people's money. And didn't President Johnson declare "war on poverty" over forty years ago? How is that going? What we've spent on THAT war would fund both gulf wars fifty times over. Odd that you're not upset about that failed war.
Republicans (actually conservatives) don't have a "war on the poor". They do have a war on poverty though, and the primary weapon is called "work". You work and you get paid, and then you're not poor. If you are physically unable to work, there are programs to deal with that (Social Security being one). If you just don't want to work, then you've CHOSEN poverty -- it wasn't thrust upon you.

[samsingh]

39. my comments are below - in [ ]

First, "what they've done to American" democracy isn't specific. If it's just the last 8 years, obviously that guy is gone now. Many people like to see the country as the work of one person -- it's not. No matter which party controls the branches of government, even when one controls all three, the other still get their 'licks' in. And Federal bureaucracy is wide and deep -- not everything goes across the President's desk. No matter who the President is.


"THEY" didn't shout "LIAR" at the President. One guy did. A back-bencher no one had heard of until last week. It was inappropriate. He apologized.
However, H.R. 3200, as available to the public has no provision for verification of eligibility, and those in control of the House have rejected every attempt at remedying that deficiency. Claiming people will not seek to exploit that loophole is like claiming a law prohibiting children from buying tobacco and alcohol with NO provision for ID checking will work -- it's simply disingenuous. Saying it to Congress is insulting to them, and saying it to the American people insults them too.


"I hate the wars they cause".
Hmmm. CAUSE? I'll give you "engage in" although a lot of Democrats voted for it too, but I'm not sure about the cause part unless you feel Republicans are solely responsible for the world we find ourselves in. That is certainly a larger question and issue than your statement suggests.


I'm not aware of any effort to withhold medical care from the needy. We have Medicare and Medicaid. They're a financial tsunami, but we HAVE them. Anyone can go into an emergency room and get emergency care. There are many free clinics and no legislation prohibiting more. As harsh as this probably sounds to you, medical care is a commodity, not a right. A "Right" does not impose a burden on anyone else, other than not violating that right. You can go without medical coverage longer than you can go without housing and food, and they're not "rights".


"They" don't hate you because you "care about other people". Some may disagree with you because you want to actuate your "caring" with other people's money. And didn't President Johnson declare "war on poverty" over forty years ago? How is that going? What we've spent on THAT war would fund both gulf wars fifty times over. Odd that you're not upset about that failed war.


Republicans (actually conservatives) don't have a "war on the poor". They do have a war on poverty though, and the primary weapon is called "work". You work and you get paid, and then you're not poor. If you are physically unable to work, there are programs to deal with that (Social Security being one). If you just don't want to work, then you've CHOSEN poverty -- it wasn't thrust upon you.

[hfojvt]

46. you need to know the code

in HTML code using "<" just makes things invisible [like so>

you probably cannot see the words at the end of the line above. I wrote "(like so)" only with brackets that made it invisible.


edit: haha. The computer got me too, because even putting the bracket in quotes messed things up


2nd edit: so I tried it again and this time the (like so) is invisible at the end of the above line.

[samsingh]

50. that was careless of me. thanks for the heads up.

[hfojvt]

44. apparently you have never heard of the working poor

Plus, there is no doubt that Bush and Republicans were the main cause of the war in Iraq. Some Democrats did vote for it, caving to the public pressure that was stirred up by Republican and media drum beating for war and vengeance. Some may have hoped that the UN would say no to war, and to a degree they did, but then didn't raise much fuss about Bush/Negroponte lying to them.

[Centrist_Bob]

47. I've heard of the working poor

Some people can't get jobs that pay enough to live above the "poverty level", but the causes are complex and not the exclusive fault of Republicans, if at all.

If you cannot get a job that pays enough, get a better job. If you can't, then either there aren't enough higher-paying jobs, or you aren't prepared to do any jobs that pay better.
Higher-paying jobs are those that represent a higher net monetary return to your employer, balanced against the number of people able to do those jobs. If you have three times the number of candidates for a job than there are positions to be filled, the VALUE of that job is reduced, because some of the applicants will do the job for less in order to get the job, and only a third of the applicants are going to get hired. So you either need to acquire skills in a job that pays more, or adjust your lifestyle to the pay you can get from the job you can do.

On the job front, we used to do more manufacturing than we do now. For two reasons. First, many manufacturing processes create pollution which is unacceptable HERE, (but not elsewhere -- same planet, same air, go figure). And second, if it costs less to manufacture something somewhere else, more people will buy the thing made elsewhere at a lower cost than the thing made here at a higher cost. Neither of these realities is the fault of Republicans. If you want to stop products from entering the country (tariffs & trade barriers), are you going to stop everything? And aren't other countries going to stop OUR products from entering THEIR countries? Ever hear of NAFTA? Know who signed it? Bill Clinton. Why aren't you pissed at him?

Forcing jobs to pay more (unions), while stopping lower-cost products from competing, forces consumers to pay more. So either they don't buy the things, or they have to make more to pay for them, so you have to make THEIR jobs pay more too, which makes what they make or do cost more... You cannot legislate bounty for all! Were you just going to legislate bounty for SOME? And if so, WHO? And why just THEM? You need to think this clever plan all the way through.

On the war front, Saddam, after he was captured, freely admitted that he did everything he could think of to convince everyone that he had WMDs. Is it so surprising that people did? If he'd had them and used them (as he'd done repeatedly in the past), the drumbeat would have been on why more wasn't done to prevent THAT. Also, after the first gulf war, his regime continued to stymie inspections and persisted in aggression in the no-fly zone and elsewhere despite several "stern warnings" from the U.N. It would have been great if he'd just gone back to repressing his people and acting as a balance against a radical Iran, but he insisted on being a festering boil and he had to be lanced.

[samsingh]

49. my comments are below starting with the first two words in CAPS

First, "what they've done to American" democracy isn't specific. If it's just the last 8 years, obviously that guy is gone now. Many people like to see the country as the work of one person -- it's not. No matter which party controls the branches of government, even when one controls all three, the other still get their 'licks' in. And Federal bureaucracy is wide and deep -- not everything goes across the President's desk. No matter who the President is.

THE WARS, started by lies to congress, the American People, and the world, has resulted in thousands of soldier deaths and hundreds of thousand civilian dealths. THE ECONOMY was left in shamples with a trillion $ deficit. THE WARS still rage.


"THEY" didn't shout "LIAR" at the President. One guy did. A back-bencher no one had heard of until last week. It was inappropriate. He apologized.
However, H.R. 3200, as available to the public has no provision for verification of eligibility, and those in control of the House have rejected every attempt at remedying that deficiency. Claiming people will not seek to exploit that loophole is like claiming a law prohibiting children from buying tobacco and alcohol with NO provision for ID checking will work -- it's simply disingenuous. Saying it to Congress is insulting to them, and saying it to the American people insults them too.

THAT ONE guys has raised over $750k from idiot repug supporters that ARE condoning what Joe Wilson did. HE HAS refused to apologise in congress. AND WHAT'S worse is that WILSON IS THE ONE WHO IS LYING or HE can't understand what HE reads.

"I hate the wars they cause".
Hmmm. CAUSE? I'll give you "engage in" although a lot of Democrats voted for it too, but I'm not sure about the cause part unless you feel Republicans are solely responsible for the world we find ourselves in. That is certainly a larger question and issue than your statement suggests.
THE REPUGS lied about the reasons to go to war. AND THEIR INCOMPETANCE led to 911. They lied to congress about intelligence. they chose to destroy the careers of anyone who told the truth of the lack of WMD in Iraq

I'm not aware of any effort to withhold medical care from the needy. We have Medicare and Medicaid. They're a financial tsunami, but we HAVE them. Anyone can go into an emergency room and get emergency care. There are many free clinics and no legislation prohibiting more. As harsh as this probably sounds to you, medical care is a commodity, not a right. A "Right" does not impose a burden on anyone else, other than not violating that right. You can go without medical coverage longer than you can go without housing and food, and they're not "rights".
HAVE YOU watched SICKO the Moore movie? BTW - Moore has not been sued by the sue happy REPUGS so the facts in the movie are correct
Have you read any headlines? IT'S ABSURB to argue that the status quo does not withhold medicine from the poor, sick, and people who get sick.

"They" don't hate you because you "care about other people". Some may disagree with you because you want to actuate your "caring" with other people's money. And didn't President Johnson declare "war on poverty" over forty years ago? How is that going? What we've spent on THAT war would fund both gulf wars fifty times over. Odd that you're not upset about that failed war.

ODD THAT you would compare a symbolic war on poverty - i don't think poverty fights back with guns and bombs - to a war that BUSH, CHENEY, and REPUGs lied to us about and started. First their incompetance let 911 happen. Then instead of getting the terrorists in Afganistan, they lied to start a war with Iraq and ended up creating more terrorists.

REPUGS HATE us because we want to help other people. REPUGS ideas have been discredited for all time after the state of the country, economy, and the world that was left after they were refused to be given any more power from the people.

REPUGS GENERALLY seem to be petty creatures that like to dish it out but are CRYBABIES when it's their turn. THEY ARE horrible, stupid, and lazy. They use pseudo arguments to justify letting other people die when they could be helped. AND THEY have supported unConstitutional leaders like CHENEY.

Republicans (actually conservatives) don't have a "war on the poor". They do have a war on poverty though, and the primary weapon is called "work". You work and you get paid, and then you're not poor. If you are physically unable to work, there are programs to deal with that (Social Security being one). If you just don't want to work, then you've CHOSEN poverty -- it wasn't thrust upon you.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST PIECE OF BULLSHIT IN THE PARAGRAPH. REPUGS have caused a $1 trillion + deficit, destroyed the economy, and THEY SAY that the working poor are TOO lazy to find work.

[ellie]

26. Don't be sorry

Fuck those people. I have had it with their hysteria.

[Bonn1997]

33. I hate haters

[samsingh]

36. you must hate repugs them

...and don't hate yourself for hating.

[jma10131]

34. !!!

I Can't necessarily blame you for feeling that way! It's not always easy not Too!

[samsingh]

43. !!!!!

thanks

[Jade Fox]

38. They have to be stopped.....

That's how I'm feeling.

As Liberal/Lefties, we tend toward the 'live and let live' philosophy. But the things the current bunch of Republicans are doing are just wrong.

See my post:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6539052&mesg_id=6539052

[ima_sinnic]

40. I hate their short-sighted ignorance and stupidity.

Stupid people will be the downfall of the human race. We are already entering a new climate age because humans have been too stupid to see the consequences of unbridled materialism and waste. The fact that the terminally stupid are given any attention at all by the media pisses me off. We are now in an era when stupidity is not only tolerated but also worshipped and looked up to, where people like Glenn Beck are actually considered "credible." How stupid is it to fall for the obvious lies of GWB? To not KNOW that 9/11 was a big score for him and his pals? To not KNOW that Limpballs is distorting things to fit a very narrow, short-sighted, greedy agenda that is destructive of American values? To not KNOW that Medicare is "socialized medicine"? I mean, really, how stupid does one have to be, anyway? Republicans are the "bad seed" of the human race, a subspecies that is floundering and going extinct.

[Kaleva]

42. I hate no one. Where I live, there isn't much of a difference...

between Democrats and Republicans.

[samsingh]

53. i would expect more from Democrats

what are they doing?

[L0oniX]

51. I am not sorry to hate them bastard racists.

[raccoon]

52. I do too. nt