Bleach-blonde FOX anchor just called Serena Williams "scary".

[LLStarks]

Does anyone know the name of this racist woman anchoring "America's News HQ"?

[emilyg]

1. I don't like your language.

[Aramchek]

2. do you prefer the fox anchor's language?

[emilyg]

7. If they call a woman the "B" word - I'll object strongly.

[Cleita]

153. I find that insulting to female dogs. Don't you? n/t

[marshall]

99. In the context of yesterday's tirade, it's acceptable

Sports folk are saying even John McEnroe, who previously held the dishonor of most abusively petulant, never got as bad as Williams did. And it's almost unprecedented for it to cost her the game like it did.

Had she said it a week ago, I might find something racist about it. It's all about context, as Don Imus showed us.

[Raineyb]

101. It's still racist

Or are black people not allowed to be as petulant as white folks. I don't recall anyone EVER referring to McEnroe as scary.

[lewiston]

112. No..

I think they called him a whack job.

[Pangolin2]

125. Well, if you don't recall it, obviously it never happened. You're really giving that crystal ball

a workout lately.

[Raineyb]

175. And you've not stopped giving your asshole muscles a workout.

They've clearly been overdeveloped.

And it didn't happen. But that doesn't really wash with your agenda. And based on what I've read of your crap on this board, I've decided you're a racist shithead who doesn't deserve the time of day. So piss off you bigoted tool. Go ply your toxic wares somewhere else.

[marshall]

133. It would depend on the context

Just calling somebody scary is no more racist than calling somebody fat is sexist. But within a context of discussion about racist or sexist issues they can be.

Maybe we've evolved insofar as sports goes--Williams certainly saw McEnroe's petulance and raised it to the point of physical threats. And she wasn't threatening to throw a tennis ball out into the court in the same way McEnroe threw rackets. McEnroe to my knowledge never threatened to shove a racket (or any other tool of the trade) down somebody's throat.

[BoneDaddy]

158. Cause McEnroe wasn't scary

He was a skinny lil whining white boy. Serena could break most guys in half. She is tall, strong and aggressive.

[Cleita]

152. Do you mean the word racist?

I don't know how you could characterize calling Serena scary otherwise, unless the anchor is afraid of playing her in a tennis match herself. Then she's scary, not before.

[azmouse]

3. We don't use the "B" word here.

Please change your OP.

[bluestateguy]

4. Speak for yourself

I think its totally appropriate when referring to a blonde bimbo on Fox News.

[azmouse]

8. It may very well be a good word to describe the Faux news anchor but

From the DU rules:
"Special note with regard to the word "bitch": The word "bitch" has been the source of a great deal of controversy on this website, because some of our members consider it to be a bigoted slur against all women, while others do not consider it bigoted. For a while we actively deleted posts which included this word, in an effort to keep the peace. This effort helped to keep discussions on track, but it resulted in many deleted posts that were otherwise perfectly fine as well as many confused people. Futhermore, the moderators themselves were ambivalent about removing the word. For this reason, we no longer automatically remove the word "bitch." However, we strongly urge members to voluntarily avoid using the word if they wish to keep their own discussions from going off-topic, and we reserve the right to take disciplinary action if we think someone is deliberately using the word in an effort to disrupt or cause trouble."

[nini]

106. This does NOT say the use of the word bitch is AGAINST the rules

"However, we strongly urge members to voluntarily avoid using the word if they wish to keep their own discussions from going off-topic, and we reserve the right to take disciplinary action if we think someone is deliberately using the word in an effort to disrupt or cause trouble.""



The word "voluntary" is the key here and obvious abuse of it will result in action by the mods and admins. Alert the post if you want and let them decide.

[azmouse]

111. I didn't say it was against the rules and I only suggested removal to the OP.

If he chose not to, well that was his business. I only posted what the mods have said about it.

[ecstatic]

32. lol nt

[Sultana]

6. LOL, plz

[Hepburn]

72. I am a practiced bitch and proud of it.

Your point? :shrug:

[ruggerson]

157. well that's only because you're an attorney

the rest of you is sweet as pie. :)

[Hepburn]

165. Ooooooooooh....

...hugs and kisses to you! :hug: :loveya:

You made my day! :hi:

[BoneDaddy]

159. We don't?

I think any word is acceptable.

[Bluzmann57]

5. To be fair

Yeah yeah, I know, we're talking about fox here, but anyway Serena Williams popped her cork yesterday at the U.S. Open Tennis tournament and quite frankly, if I was the line judge I would have been scared too.

[seabeyond]

10. not to mention, i popped in an article and saw picture of her bulked up

had nothing to do with race, all to do with..... fuck, look at those muscles.

not defending fox blonde. useless, all of them

[Raineyb]

12. Really? Because when hockey players get into fights, past tennis players

threw tantrums, and other sports players lose their cool the word "scary" only gets applied to CERTAIN players.

Fair my ass!

[dsc]

13. I would bet a ton of money that McEnroe got called scary more than a few times

[Raineyb]

16. Oddly enough the google search shows an article on the "scary"

intensity of McEnroe (in an article that was actually flattering) and a link to YOUR response.

I'm not convinced.

[hfojvt]

24. McEnroe, in my memory, never threatened any official

People might have been scared that he would have a tantrum, but he never, in any tantrum that I saw, actually threatened an official.

[Raineyb]

27. So throwing rackets endangered no one?

Interesting bit of rationalization.

[hfojvt]

37. I only saw rackets thrown at the ground or at the net

that's not a direct or intentional threat.

[NoGOPZone]

43. McEnroe once took two swings at the contents of a refreshment table

shattering glass, some of which fell on spectators in the first two rows. Scary, if you ask me.

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/news/2008/07/tennis_channel_to_unveil_topfi.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v16tKIAddmQ

[hfojvt]

60. are we gonna pretend that the Stockholm open is as televised here

as the US Open? Or Wimbledon? Again, that was pretty bad, but he did not intentionally injure or threaten anyone.

[NoGOPZone]

63. WHAT?

Who said anything about 'as televised here', and what does that have to do with anything? And why should intent be the determining factor? He endagered people with his reckless actions. Fortunately, no one seems to have been hurt, but still very scary.

[hfojvt]

93. I did. My post #37 begins with "I only saw ..."

and I think that intent matters a lot. Somebody who actually intends to hurt me is scarier than somebody who might accidentally hurt me. In the first case, the anger and threat is pointed directly at me. In the second, it is incidental. Plus, the fact that there was no ESPN or internet back in 1984 when that event happened would help to explain why people did not talk about McEnroe being dangerous.

[NoGOPZone]

97. I'm aware of the wording of your post

and I intentionally worded mine to avoid accusing you of making a mistake but rather to inform you. Although I will politely indicate that you have made a factual error in your last post, ESPN was around in 1984.


Now, I can't question what you would find scarier. For my own part, I'm not so sure that someone who makes a threat but doesn't follow up on it is going to scare me more than someone who is so reckless I'm put in danger even if he is mad at someone else.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

149. Do you have links to the thrown rackets injury report?

[Fire1]

107. No, he just called them "fuckin blind idiots," and the like. Oh,

and he's famous for slamming rackets.

[Jackeens]

121. He called a Czech opponent a "Commie bastard", though. Worse than threatening an official!

:shrug:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

150. Hell no it's not.

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. I don't think McEnroe ever told a judge that he'd

take a tennis ball and shove it down their throat. I seem to remember him being mostly famous for his "You can NOT be serious!" rather than stating what he'd like to do to an official physically.

Williams was a mile out of line, and even after she told the judge she'd shove the f'ing ball down her f'ing throat continued to advance in her direction pointing her finger and racket.

Besides, she wasn't disqualified, she was penalized a point. The match being at Match Point meant that she automatically LOST.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_jlXjgxN8&feature=related

[Fire1]

120. When did the game of tennis include a JUDGE??? n/t

[Pangolin2]

124. You probably could dig up a more insignificant nit to pick

if you really tried.

[Fire1]

127. Following members around is against DU rules. I did not

address you.

[Pangolin2]

128. Please don't flatter yourself. One can reply to a post without being directly addressed.

It isn't rocket science.

[Name removed]

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[Pangolin2]

136. Wow, they still say that in 4th grade?

Who knew?

[pundaint]

164. you never heard of a line judge?

How long would a baseball player last after telling an umpire he'd like to ram a baseball down his throat walking toward him while pointing a bat at him with one hand and holding a ball in the other?
This isn't racism it's just a reasonable sanction for poor behavior.

[cherokeeprogressive]

174. "Line judge – a person designated to observe the passage of tennis balls over the boundary lines of

the court."

How much do you know about competitive tennis?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_tennis#L

[pipi_k]

105. You know who Brett Favre is?

Football player.

WHITE.

Look up his name along with the word "asshole" and see how many people have called him an asshole along with some pretty descriptive words before the word "asshole".


I think calling someone an asshole is probably even worse than calling someone "scary", but whatever.

People HAVE called other sports figures...many of them white...some pretty awful names.


People running around seeing "racism" behind every tree are making a MOCKERY of the word.

Scary? SCARY???

racist?

Oh my god.

:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[Dramarama]

176. Yeah people can be scary

Gary Busey, Serena, same thing

[firedupdem]

9. I wonder if any other athletes "scared" her? Fuck these people..

sick of it all.

[dsc]

11. she is scary as was Martina in her prime

that is why the win tennis matches. Trust me, Serena puts effort into being scary and it has served her well.

[EndersDame]

15. She is scary sexy

[dsc]

17. I admit I am more of a Rafael Nadal type

or even a Federer.

[EndersDame]

20. Oh I totally agree I think that athletes are some

of the most beautiful people and leave supermodels in the dust

[EndersDame]

14. Serena is a model of human perfection

Faux news anchors are scary

[Gwendolyn]

18. I've personally spent time around a lot of women athletes and bodybuilders.

It has nothing to do with skin color and all to do with a very narrow view of how much muscle is culturally acceptable for women to carry.

In fact, all you have to do is watch certain female Olympic events with a crowd and you'll hear the same to worse comments. Nice try though.

[hfojvt]

23. I don't think it's about muscles being cultural acceptable

A person with muscles simply IS scary because muscles mean power. Serena has some size too. Mary Lou Retton has muscles, but is not as scary because of her lack of height and weight. It's not as scary if Mary Lou says to me "I am gonna kick your a$$" than it would be if Serena said it to me or if the line judge said it to me.

[Gwendolyn]

26. That's basically what I meant.

Any woman who is thick and densely muscled will get looks and comments. When she's an athlete, she'll get the "scary," "steroids," "lesbian" comments.

[KittyWampus]

34. As an aside, muscular men do not mean power to me. Men with over-built muscles look like insects

to me. Like they have an exo-skeleton. I also don't find them scary, but slightly odd and unbalanced.

But then, I did Tai-Chi for quite a while and know what real power is.

[Fire1]

109. She meant it to be scary because it was a bullshiit call.

Mission accomplished.

[EndersDame]

151. Oh hell don't I know about that , I used to build trails

We had to install a handicap accesiable trail in a park and Americorps members usually use hand tools. After Three months of breaking rock with a sledge and pick axe from 8-5 m-f I had some serious arms and was growing out my mohawk. I got the usual "dyke" and "scary" comments I did however like She-ra and Xena though

[etherealtruth]

19. Though Ms. Williams conducted herself very poorly ....

.... this is not her SOP. She lost it. she is not the first professional athlete to do so, she will not be the last (doesn't make it OK, but this incident did not occur in a vacuum). This is barely news worthy.

[JonQ]

21. So only white people can be scary?

Really don't get where you're going with this.

[Gwendolyn]

22. Nowhere.

Kind of odd to disparage "bleached blondes" as well, since Serena enjoys being one herself.

[JonQ]

25. It would be racist

to insult serena for being an unnatural blonde. It is not racist to insult white women for dying their hair (even though it looks more natural).

[Gwendolyn]

29. It's just a plain sexist insult, and I find it pathetic.

We all know that "bleached blonde" is synonymous with stupidity.

But explain to me why it's racist when a black woman is remarked upon as being a bleached blonde, as opposed to when she's white. I can't wait to hear this one.

[JonQ]

30. It isn't

I was poking fun at the OP, where certain descriptions are de facto racist if applied to blacks, but ok if applied to whites, without any sort of rhyme or reason to it.

Like saying that calling a large, musclebound angry black woman 'scary' must be racism, because she's black, conveniently ignoring the first 3 qualifiers that actually are kind of scary.

[Gwendolyn]

33. Oh... got it.

:) Agreed. Poke away!

[BlooInBloo]

41. Damn "reverse racism", eh?

:rofl:

[JonQ]

77. No such thing

a person is either racist or not, they can't be a reverse racist.

[CakeGrrl]

28. It's the "scary black person" meme; what the President had to avoid all during

the campaign.

Blacks can't show too much anger, or they're 'scary'. If people don't think that card was being played against Obama, think again.

What did they think Serena would do in front of thousands of people, and in front of the cameras? Actually assault the guy? I sincerely doubt she was that far gone. :eyes:

[ruggerson]

31. I don't think it was a guy

it looked to be a four and a half foot tall woman. I could be wrong.

[JonQ]

36. Apparently "scary" is also codeword

for old, crotchety white guys. The healthcare protesters were described as "scary" as well.

Sometimes a word means exactly what it is defined as, without addition secret meanings.

A black person can be scary, they can be described as such, that would not be racist unless that assessment were based on skin color and not other characteristics.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

45. doesn't matter what you think...

the threats she made if made on the street would have been classified as assault...and they might qualify here. I think athletes should be held responsible for their actions and the words that proceed from their mouths. Maybe they should charge her...that would be fun!

sP

[cherokeeprogressive]

46. #1 - It wasn't a guy, it was a tiny Asian woman. #2 - She advanced on the woman

and told her she'd "take this fucking ball and shove it down your fucking throat", and continued advancing on her while pointing her finger and racket while cursing and verbally abusing the woman.

I'm glad she got penalized a point, which to me was actually a light punishment. She deserved more than what she got.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

47. should have been charged with assault and

hauled away in handcuffs...

sP

[LisaL]

51. Well she didn't actually touch or hit the woman so that it is

not an assault.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

53. yes it is...you are thinking of battery in the legal sense

it was absolutely assault...try it sometime and see if the results for you aren't a little different for you...

sP

Sorry...I know this sounds a little combative...I just hate it when celebs and athletes get treated differently than you or I would...assuming your neither of the two aforementioned protected classes.

[NoGOPZone]

61. In New York, even third degree assault requires physical injury

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm#120.00

[ProdigalJunkMail]

64. OK...we'll go with menacing in the second for $500, Alex... n/t

[NoGOPZone]

67. Which of the three elements of second degree menancing would apply here?

Third degree would be the more likely charge, and even that is iffy.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

68. I like this one...

1. He or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person
in reasonable fear of physical injury, serious physical injury or death
by displaying a deadly weapon, dangerous instrument or what appears to
be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm;

She clearly threatened her and placed her in fear of injury by approaching her and a tennis racket in her hands in quite clearly a dangerous instrument. We might consider dropping it to third...for a couple of PSA's and some time in a anger-management program :-)

sP

[NoGOPZone]

70. Nice try, but won't work

The threat was verbal, not from the display of what a jury may not even consider a deadly weapon, particularly when the verbal threat implied another object.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

71. well, i am no lawyer and maybe i am applying common sense

but ...

1) He or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person
in reasonable fear of physical injury (Yep...did it)
2) by displaying a deadly weapon, dangerous instrument (Yep, threatened
her with the racket by pointing at her and waving it).

I would press charges if I were the LINE judge. Have you watched the video...if it were YOU, you would have felt threatened.

sP

OnEdit : line judge...

[NoGOPZone]

73. Never said the judge shouldn't pursue the case, never said

the judge shouldn't have felt threatend. I'm saying a jury most likely won't accept that the object was a deadly weapon AND was intentionally displayed in a manner that would put a person in reasonable fair of physical injury.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

74. ok...i can see that...but i am a plain old citizen and I would have seen it that way

we can do away with the instrument and drop it to third...i just think she needs to be charged with something.

sP

[Cetacea]

170. White or black, New York or not, she'd have been toast

if she'd pulled that on a white/black police officer...

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. Check your laws. In California, assault does not have to involve physical contact.

I've been assaulted if I THOUGHT you were going to attack me, and was in fear.

I know, I testified against a woman who pointed her car in my direction and stood on the gas. She turned away and missed me by about five feet going 20-30 mph. She was charged with vehicular assault.

[NoGOPZone]

65. Review post 61, New York is different

A third degree menacing charge would be the more likely charge, but even that is iffy.

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm#120.00

[ProdigalJunkMail]

66. I would go with second...it's on video and would stick! n/t

[Raineyb]

79. In New York you have to actually TOUCH someone to be charged with assault. n/t

[BoneDaddy]

172. that is not how the law defines it

Intimidation and acting as if you are going to harm someone can be considered an assault. If I said to someone on the street what she said to the judge, I could have been arrested.

I have never liked the Williams family from day one. Not because they were black. In fact on that level I was happy they were following Arthur Ashe's foray into what has traditionally been a "white" sport. I didn't like them because of the level of arrogance by them and their father. They have demonstrated a history of superiority and disrespect for other players and the game since day one.

That said, they are both excellent players... just need to grow up a bit. Said the same thing about Mac and Connors too.

[Raineyb]

78. Since when is yelling at someone assault?

That's just straight up stupid.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

80. there are plenty of states where making threats is considered assault n/t

[cwydro]

84. Well, there would be a lot of cluttered courts

if we prosecuted every athlete who cusses out a judge, linesman, referee etc. Baseball? Football? Hockey? Hell, I've seen it in T-Ball.

Grow up.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

89. cussing them is one thing

threatening them is another...

grow up, yourself, and stop excusing this behaviour...

[Raineyb]

85. Well here you have to actually DO something. We don't have

thought crime here.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

90. yes you do...it is called Menacing...look it up in your code... n/t

[Raineyb]

92. And what happened does not qualify.

Did you even bother to read it or are you just pulling shit out of your ass and flinging it to see if it'll stick?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

94. sure it does...from NY code...thanks to another poster here

1. He or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person
in reasonable fear of physical injury, serious physical injury or death
by displaying a deadly weapon, dangerous instrument or what appears to
be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm;

Now that is second degree...remove the dangerous instrument and you have third degree...

Did YOU read it before suggesting this would not rise to the charge??? Hmmm...

sP

[Raineyb]

95. I read it. And I don't think this qualifies.

And I doubt you'd get a DA to bring up charges either.

Did I stutter?

[NoGOPZone]

104. A second degree wouldn't qualify

Particularly since the videos I've seen on show Serena pointing with the racket, and her finger, but not brandishing the racket in an "I'm going to whack you" manner.

I suspect the DA could get an INDICTMENT on the third degree, but a conviction is another story. It would likely depend on how NY Courts have interpreted the 'physical menace' mentioned in the statute, as well as how the jury interprets Serena actions in relation to the specific threats she made.

As a practical matter though, I can't imagine the busy Queens county DA office spending time pursuing a third degree menacing offense for someone who, I believe, has no prior offenses and the outcome is uncertain.

[babythunder]

182. Your posts have left me

speechless have ever watch a sporting event? A great number of people would be locked up according to your definition. I'm sure your a sound-minded individual but your posts on this topic are absolutely moronic.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

82. stupid aye? maybe those people in California should hang their heads

or maybe the common law definition of assault is not ok either?

sP

[Raineyb]

83. The US open is in NEW YORK

So your California bullshit yelling = assault doesn't wash here.

Shall I find a map for ya?

[Name removed]

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[Cetacea]

171. Explain that to the NY cops who shot man forty times for waving a hammer

Of course he was know to be mentally ill in his community, so I guess it doesn't count...

[LisaL]

50. She was gesturing with that racket.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

55. she was threatening with that racket

let someone use those motions on you with say, a baseball bat, and see if you change your mind.

sP

[LisaL]

56. Hah? I am not arguing with you at all.

I agree it might have looked threatening, especially to a small female.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

57. Hah?

gesturing is an awfully soft word for what was happening...

sP

OnEdit : hell, it looked threatening to me. i would have felt endangered at that moment...and i can generally handle most situations...

[LisaL]

58. Well I am not sure how to describe it. What I was trying to point

out is that Serena wasn't just talking. In addition to talking she was gesturing with her racket.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

59. indeed...i just thought the use of the word 'gesturing'

was a little kind for the situation at hand...

no hard feelings from me and i hope there are none for you...

sP

[LisaL]

48. It's already been pointed out-not a guy. A short female.

By the way Serena wasn't just talking to that female. She was gesturing with her tennis racket.
As soon as Serena stepped away, that female took off running-I presume to complain about it.

[DeschutesRiver]

35. I don't watch Fox because I think they are a bunch of bigots; however

I saw Serena Williams' tantrum, and she was scary I am sure to a lot of people. And it had nothing to do with her color. I am a white old lady with a hot Irish temper which, like Serena said about hers, I have managed to dampen down over the years. But even today my softer temper can be very scary to some people if they have outraged me.

That said, I am a retired lawyer and former competitor in horse shows. I would never freaking ever display that temper to a judge in a court of law, nor to a judge at a competitive horse show. I admit to displaying my own scary temper and displeasure after the fact for sure, but absolutely never to the judge's faces in that manner. I know better, and Serena knows better too. The two people I saw taking that raft of shit from this "professional" player stood right back in her face at her, and I was glad to see that they didn't back down from her intemperate unprofessional outburst. I greatly admire Serena's gifts and talents and drive; I agree with Serena herself that she ought to knock this crap off pronto.

A lot of ordinary people found John McEnroe's violent rages to be similarly unnerving and scary, too. I have always and will always call out racism when I suspect I am seeing it, but I don't see it here in the slightest. I do question why you'd jump on this newscaster just because she is a white woman with blonde hair who called out Serena's outburst for the scary thing it was. Color isn't an automatic signal that some comment is racist, you have to look at whole picture.

[cwydro]

49. Good post

and I agree.

I'm a fan of Serena's and saw her outburst; it was scary.

I am quite a small person and in my younger days also had a bad temper, which a few people described as 'scary".

Sometimes scary is just scary.

As an aside, I never thought MacEnroe was scary; he was just a silly pipsqueak.

[DeschutesRiver]

113. Ditto on McEnroe

while I always thought it silly that people found him scary (ordinary people of mild temper:), I just thought after the first few bouts "what a loud mouthed bored this dude is". All fury signifying nothing.

Serena is a cool and fierce, talented young woman. When I was her age, if something struck me as unjust, I called it like I saw it without regard to how my angry opinion would be received by others. I might have been right, might have had a good point, but just losing my temper randomly didn't do much to change an outcome or achieve my purpose. My instincts were right, but my delivery made me ineffective. I never did it with judges, esp. as a lawyer, because by then I understood that it did nothing for my clients who had everything at stake, so that was the start of my mellowing. Okay, shouldn't say mellowing, rather learning to focus my displeasure in a way that was more effective, though still fierce when it would achieve a goal, rather than flying free with it just because I didn't have it under control.

I think like the rest of us fierce ones, she will mellow with age into a judicious older warrior type, which is not a bad thing to me at all. The world could use a few more woman of strong conviction who aren't afraid to voice it strongly for a purpose. She will get there in time.

[S n o w b a l l]

38. What does her hair color have to do with it?

Women, conservatives and liberals, dye their hair all kinds of colors.

[FreedomRain]

115. Thank you!

Really, poor form, OP.

I suppose I should just be happy that "bitch" was edited out.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

39. when a bulked up athlete of any race or gender

threatens to 'shove this ball down your throat' that is quite clearly 'scary' to the person it is being said to in most cases. She should be suspended and fined...

sP

[rollingrock]

40. Well

a woman with a man's body can look kinda scary. regardless of their race.
especially some of those competitive female body builders. they look simply gross to me.

[cwydro]

52. Serena does not have a man's body.

She is a muscular female athlete.

[BlooInBloo]

81. Confirmed I see a whole lotta female bouncing and jiggling around when I watch her play.

:P

[EndersDame]

86. So you think this is a man's body?

I seriously wish I had her ass it is perfection

[Gwendolyn]

100. Superb bod! Top to bottom.

I notice though, that she's a bleached blonde in at least two of those pics. Does that mean she's a bimbo too? Or a b*tch as the OP originally referred to the FOX "blonde"? When a woman dyes her hair back to its natural color, or opts for red, blue, green, or chestnut brown, does her IQ automatically blow through the roof? I'm wondering how my hair color might affect my intelligence and which colors guarantee the best result.

Not directed at you Endersdame... just general musing, but you happen to have posted pics of a bleached blonde.

[EndersDame]

139. As I have had pink and green hair I can't judge

I think people get fake hair colored mixed up with fake personalities. BTW I think Gwen Stefani's Blonde is tops

[Gwendolyn]

145. Maybe they do. Or they're just bigoted and sexist.

I love Gwen Stefani's shade 'o platinum! :)

[EndersDame]

146. I enjoyed messing with peoples preconceptions about girls with green mohawks

It was a blast! I am a naturally courteous person, especially towards the elderly and when I helped them to their seats on the bus I got the weirdest looks of shock! If I could pull off being a blonde I would lay down some serious vocabulary

[elshiva]

134. Thank you. I'd never seen those pictures before. She is lovely.

Yes, her bottom is perfect. I'm used to the tennis pictures myself, but I always thought she was sexy in those, too, as well as strong.

Female athletes are awesome, real life superheroes to me. :loveya:

[EndersDame]

140. Forget supermodels Female athletes are the best!

sexy strong and healthy!

[Upton]

142. To be honest with you

I think she could stand to lose a little weight.

[Gwendolyn]

144. Her abs show, and she has striated shoulders.

Her rumpus has not one ounce of fat on it, but she needs to lose weight? :rofl:

I'm sure she does just fine for companionship, and her strength and power serve her well on the court.

[EndersDame]

147. I was gonna say, where is the fat she could lose?

:rofl:
On edit in how much better shape do you think Serena is than most everyone on this board?

[Upton]

160. Her thighs for one

IMO, they are way too big...and how Serena compares with the members of this board is irrelevant. Now here's a good looking female tennis player:

[EndersDame]

162. She just has a larger frame and more muscles

I really don't think she has fat on her thighs . I have a larger frame and build than most women I know. I am not fat I just have bigger bones and gain muscle easier.I got alot of hateful things said about me when I was in Americorps. I was breaking rock with sledges and pick maddoxes for three months to make a certain trail and got some kick ass muscles! The other girls on my crew got toned but I got guns!

[Gwendolyn]

179. Good for you! Actually sounds like it was lots of fun!

:) I'd love to get out and do that for three months or so! I'm sure you did get Xena comments. ;-)

You can see from the people responding to your mini-thread that people have really locked-in ideas of what constitutes a non-scary athlete. Muscular thighs are a no-no. I've heard the "scary" and "lesbian" comments often in the company of beautiful, muscular athletes.

There were also the stereotypical "scary" comments regarding the Eastern bloc Olympic athletes of days gone by. Lots of film and ad references too.

Stereotypical movie scene: Nerdy guy anxiously awaits his sexy massage, naked on the table with a teeny towel covering his emaciated behind. The door opens and in walks scary "Olga," the big, muscular Russian masseuse. The skinny nerdy guy pales and cowers in fear, knowing she's going to snap him in half. Camera pans away and you hear shrieks of pain and horror.

[Zywiec]

173. ++1 n/t

[LisaL]

42. Serena is very muscular lady.

Not someone you'd want to be angry at you, I presume.

[bridgit]

69. I find both bleach-blond FOX anchors & the Williams sisters to be so overtly pampered...

and enshrined in corporatism as to be scary all around yes :scared:

[Rebubula]

75. Looking for the boogeyman..

Anyone that is bigger than me and is angry is scary to me. Serena is better than 6ft and was in a minor rage - sorry about your desire to find racism - she was scary, especially if you were the target of her rage. And don't give me any 'she was not going to physically attack the women in front of 20,000 people' crap - fear is not solely based on physical pain or even the threat thereof.

Is every negative comment on a black person going to be considered racist or a codeword?

[NoGOPZone]

87. Serena is 5ft 9in.

Are you confused because her sister Venus is over six feet? No, don't answer. You may think I'm hinting that all black females look alike to you and that I've got a desire to find racism.

[Pangolin2]

98. There's a small but loud number of people who can find racism in a ham sandwich.

It gets really old.

[Raineyb]

102. People who refuse to see it are really tiresome. n/t

[Pangolin2]

103. I rest my case.

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[pipi_k]

108. so just because YOU "see it", that means it actually exists

and we'd all damned well better see the same thing you do or else, right?

Wow.

That's almost as pathetic as the Bible thumpers running around telling everybody that THEIR "Truth" is the only one. They talk with God and God talks back and they see God, and anyone who doesn't see or talk with God is going to Hell.

And it's often not just any god...it's their God.

Many reasonable people will agree that the word "ni@@er" is nasty and racist because of the history of the word. When you hear the word "ni@@er", what do you think of? Right. A black person.

When someone says the word "scary", do you also think of a black person? Maybe you do. And maybe that's where the problem really lies.

[Pangolin2]

117. Bingo.

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[cherokeeprogressive]

118. Well, there IS the white bread/wheat bread issue...

And the whole white mayo or spicy brown mustard thing.

I'll only eat my ham sammiches on wheat bread with spicy brown mustard and lots of black pepper, lest someone notice and call me a racist for preferring mayo and white bread. Oh, and you can forget the milk altogether.

[pipi_k]

You don't have to forsake the cow juice!

just throw a little Hershey's chocolate syrup in it and you're good to go. Nobody can accuse you of being a racist then.


Or you can use the strawberry syrup and avoid offending the fluorescent pink people.


:7

[NoPasaran]

76. And if you hadn't insisted on watching Fox News, you never would have known

[douglas9]

91. Jaime Colby?

http://www.foxnews.com/americasnewshq/index.html

[Pangolin2]

96. Williams was behaving like an ass. And she was very scary.

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[Fire1]

110. She meant for it to be scary b/c the ref was cheating. Mission

accomplished.

[Pangolin2]

116. Well, by losing her cool, she pretty much shit in her own tennis messkit.

You just want to excuse boorish behavior so you justify it by alleging misconduct by the referee. I know how it works.

[Fire1]

119. There was misconduct by the referee and the replay proved

it. But she still had no reason to throw a tantrum b/c after all, she's not McEnroe and so what if it was a'bogus' call! Yeah, she should just STFU and be glad she's allowed on the court. Gotcha!

[Pangolin2]

123. Your allegation of misconduct is simply baseless provocation.

ANY player who behaves like Ms. Williams did should rightfully be strenuously reprimanded. I can't believe some people are defending it.

[Fire1]

126. I'm not condoning it but I contend it was understandable. That

is not "baseless." She didn't fly off the handle for NO REASON! Now your implication is coming dangerously close to calling her deranged, in which case, I'll end this exchange.

[Pangolin2]

129. She was deranged.

Bye.

[Fire1]

130. You should know. n/t

[onenote]

169. you seem to be under the mistaken impression McEnroe would've gotten away with that behavior

You apparently know little of tennis history, such as the fact that McEnroe was frequently fined for his outbursts (most of which were mild compared to Williams) and was even suspended from the tour on at least occasion and actually tossed out of the Australian Open in 1990 for his behavior.

[Raineyb]

177. McEnroe wasn't portrayed as scary

That was the point. That you either cannot or will not recognize that is another story.

[onenote]

181. i was responding to a post that implied that mcenroe was "allowed to throw tantrums"

No he wasn't. And the real story is that you made my post into something it isnt'

[McCamy Taylor]

114. To Fox all dark skinned African-Americans are "scary". They work hard to perpetuate that myth

be focusing on crimes in which the perp is dark skinned.

[ShortnFiery]

122. Not as scary as the media whore's botox'd forehead with stationary eybrows.

*no offense to sex workers. :evilgrin:

[pipi_k]

131. Why do you hate people with paralyzed foreheads and stapled-on eyebrows?

We have feelings too, you know...


:cry:

[Skittles]

161. ShortnFiery IS AN EYEBROW-PHOBE

[Kickin_Donkey]

132. All black people are "scary" to her type.

I agree, it's a racist statement.

And to you DUers who deny it has racist overtones, your own racist slip is showing.

[Gwendolyn]

138. What "type" would that be?

[pipi_k]

141. And one of your slips is showing too

1. Blonde woman...does blonde equal stupid?

2. woman....does being a woman equal being stupid?

What "type" are you referring to here?



also...I'm just wondering who appointed you the judge of what's fact and what isn't. What's this...people who don't happen to see the same thing you do have something wrong with them? We don't see "racial overtones" in the use of the word "scary", so we're evil? Mentally ill? Stupid? You're OK but we're not? Because, after all, your OPINION is the only one that matters?

that's all it is, you know...an opinion.

Not fact.

[Lagomorph]

137. Race Card FAIL

Meaningless in context.

Foot in mouth fault.

[pipi_k]

143. I didn't see this before the edit, but let me guess...

Some prize winner comes in here and implies that bleached blondes are rather stupid, then proceeds to insult over 1/2 the population by calling this woman a "bitch"

and then thinks the word "scary" when spoken about an athlete who apparently had a meltdown is "racist".

Honestly, the irony would be hysterical if it weren't so nauseating.

[Gwendolyn]

183. Yes, it would be hilarious if it weren't so nauseating.

Disparaging a whole group of people in order to deplore some weak accusation of racism.

There are a few guys on this thread that women would be wise to steer clear of in real life.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

148. I think the lines woman had a right to be scared last night.

[JonLP24]

163. There is nothing wrong with getting pissed off about bad calls

In fact many great tennis players have displayed temper tantrums. My mother knows exactly how Serena feels. Basically my grandfather beat her until she was a very good tennis player and she quit when she was 18 but when the line judge starts calling bullshit foot fault calls it really frustrates you according to her. Ilie Năstase would bring several rackets with him because he would often toss the ones he used.

[rucky]

166. It was a bullshit call.

I'd be pissed, too.

[onenote]

167. Nastase also was fined a number of times and/or suspended for his behavior

Just one example.
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/08/22/sports/nastase-gets-suspension.html

Here's another: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1243&dat=19780705&id=ZZsSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yvYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6507,6039067

[Raineyb]

178. That's a hell of a lot different than being called "scary"

As you well know. And NO ONE said that she shouldn't be fined either.

[onenote]

180. Nastase's nickname was "nasty"

Williams doesn't even have a nickname. Mostly because her behavior has generally been exemplary. But not this time.

And there are several posts on this thread that suggest McEnroe and others who abused officials got away with it.

They didn't.

[pipi_k]

168. Well, there's being pissed, and then there's having a meltdown...

I just saw the video.

Nearly the entire tirade was bleeped for profanities.

She walked over to shake her tennis racquet at an unseen person on the sideline.

Would I be scared? You bet your ass I would.


so here we have a very muscular and strong person yelling obscenities and wielding something that COULD be used as a weapon, but she's not supposed to be called "scary" even though it's possible she could have gotten even more violent, right in front of an audience.


I'd like someone to explain to me how someone being called scary (because she ACTED scary) even approaches the realm of being "racism".