These teabaggers are NOT stupid. They may have been in the "slow

[Raven]

spelling" group in school but they know exactly what they want. They want:

NO black President, now or ever again.
NO government, local, state or federal.
NO laws, rules or regulations of any kind other that the ones they decide to impose.
NO rights for women.
NO mandatory schooling. NO public schools.
NO environmental controls.
No police.
No fire departments.

These people know full well what "no taxes" means. It means no organized, governed society and that is exactly what they are aiming for.

I know some folks here will recognize this as one of my favorite rants but I see this every day and I know it is real and not to be ridiculed. There is a religious tint to it which allows these people to think that they are doing God's work and therefor, any lie, any violence and outrageous act is condoned.

Don't underestimate there people, they may not have marched on DC yesterday but they are out there and they are very dangerous.

Oh, and by the way, from my experience, they are raising very dangerous, violent children.

[BeatleBoot]

1. I'll be happy to have their Medicare and Social Security.

What a bunch of retards.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. So, they're anti-government?

If I could speak to them, this is what I would say:

"I hear Somalia has the best non-government of any in the world. You might find it to your liking..."

I know these folk are dangerous. Let us not lose sight of just how dangerous they are...

We do that at our peril.


K&R

[Ramulux]

3. Anti-Government= Anarchy

Just tell them if they don't want to pay taxes then they are not allowed to use any public service.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. Absolutely right!

Might be hard to enforce, though...

And ...welcome to DU, fellow Californian!

:hi:

[RufusTFirefly]

11. Yep. Somalia's the place for 'em. Reminds me of this commercial

Somalia! Libertarian Paradise!



Regulation Vacation Celebration

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. Oh, that is HILARIOUS!

And now I have cholera!

These people are fucking idiots!

:rofl: :rofl:

[zippy890]

4. thanks for the explanation

I've been trying to figure out what the HELL they are protesting against.

still not sure I understand, except the racism part which is obvious.

no police? these people really want no police? sounds like anarchists.

[formerroadie]

5. I have a question

I know this is a bit off topic but I'm not sure where to ask this:

WHERE IS THE COVERAGE OF THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON TODAY?! DID IT FIZZLE? DID IT GET MOVED TO ANOTHER DAY?! WHAT'S UP?!

[Brother Buzz]

13. Today is football day

and the debate is La-Z-Boy® or Barcalounger™

VS:

:shrug:

[hobbit709]

7. If they got their wish, they wouldn't last long in their world.

[scentopine]

8. The American Taliban -nt

[Call Me Wesley]

9. I do find them pretty stupid,

and they're a minority, marching on the sole call of a rambling tv personae who's batshit insane to begin with and didn't even have the guts to lead them on on their march. Stupid, yes, they are, ignorant, racist, un-educated, Manchurian candidates for Glenn Beck. They are stupid.

I do know what you mean, though. If one of theirs snaps, it'll be havoc.

Why not give them what they want? I've heard there are still a few islands on sale; perhaps they should use their tax money to buy one and live a happy life under the full sun with all the 'NO's' they want.

[Ian David]

10. They want the world they see in the Mad Max movies.

Unfortunately, what they'll get will probably be more like Water World.

But that's probably good enough for them.

[Marr]

14. No-- they most certainly are stupid.

There's a relatively small number of wealthy fascists who manipulate these fools, and they're not stupid-- but the people at these protests certainly are.

They've been mobilized with hate and racism, and that's it. There is no coherent thread in their "ideology", as they promote it-- it's just a collection of shallow slogans, each a subtle sales pitch for some scheme that's actually designed to make the rich richer and keep these idiots planted firmly in their place.

[Catshrink]

15. When they were passing out brains

the teabaggers thought they said "trains" and asked for a nice slow one.

[Initech]

16. Then what are they? Sick? Twisted? Deranged? Disturbed? All of the above?

[stenwin77]

17. From what I hear, their main concern is

that when the government runs almost anything, it isn't exactly efficient or inexpensive.

That's probably ok with letters but when it is your health, that's a pretty big gamble. We gambled in Canada and we lost. It's a horror. Can't tell you when the last time was I actually saw a real doctor... it's always NP or PA.

[Raven]

19. Gee, I had heard very good things about the Canadian health care

system. What the life expectency up there? Better than ours, I think, And infant mortality, what about that? BTW, welcome to DU...planning to stay long?

[Raven]

20. Boy, I just checked those statistics and Canada is ahead of us on

both counts. How do you explain that with Canada having a lousy health care system?

[stevedeshazer]

24. Yeah. Right.

:rofl:

Nice try.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. You alright boy?

[csziggy]

28. Well, you're not dead yet, so the care must be OK

I've got private insurance and about half the time I go in, I see a NP or PA instead of my primary care physician. So what's the difference? I get to pay in full for each visit until I reach my deductible and a 20% co-pay after that. I hear in Canada the payment system is much more reasonable.

I had to wait five months for an operation after an injury to my shoulder that made it difficult for me to function. No appointment was sooner than six weeks from the date I tried to see the specialist. I hear in Canada people only have to wait ten weeks for operations - that would be an improvement!

So far, my co-pays for the operation and followup care has reached over three times my husband's monthly take home pay. I understand in Canada there would be little in the way of payments expected.

Another worry I have is that I will get bills later on after I think everything has been paid - after an operation in 2007 I got bills as late as this spring for charges that seemed to have gotten hung up in the insurance company's payment system before being denied. I just paid them - I was too stressed out with the most recent injury to try to track down exactly what had been denied. I've gotten bills years later for "out of state insurance" - we're covered by BC/BS but it is the California company, not the one in Florida where we live. I can't see how it pays for them to bill us for that extra $2 but if we don't pay, they threaten us with collection agencies, so we pay.

At least now I have insurance. After being denied coverage at any price in the early nineties (self-employed in a dangerous profession with a history of injuries and illnesses), I had an injury which required an extensive operation and a long period of rehabilitation. Even after the outpatient facility and the surgeon discounted their fees, I paid over $12,000 out of pocket. I hear in Canada I would not have had to worry about no insurance and would have not had to pay more than I made in a year to have that operation.

At this point, I don't give a damn if the system is "inefficient" - if it is as well run as the Post Office, it will be better run than private insurance is and will not cost as much.

[H2O Man]

29. very convincing

not

[Ikonoklast]

31. If you are actually a Canuck, I'm King Juan Carlos of Spain.

Fail.

[BlueIdaho]

18. Anarchists...

Isn't that what we used to call people who believe government is unnecessary and harmful?

[CakeGrrl]

21. I really think it boils down to the first thing on your list

They were most certainly being taxed during the Bush administration, but they didn't feel compelled to protest the expenditure of their tax dollars then.

No, it's really about WHO is at the helm of the government now. NOW government is suddenly the enemy that not only wants your money, but wants to do harm to you and yours...

...like those black criminals they see on TV and in the movies.

Now someone has suggested to them that one of those very criminals occupies the White House, and they grab onto that validation of their race- and fear-based suspicions.

[Raven]

22. I'm afraid I have to agree with you. The other things on the list make

for good cover, don't they?

[stevedeshazer]

23. It's their kids I'm afraid of.

You're quite right.

A significant chunk of their kids and grandkids are being raised to hate.

:(

[Raven]

25. And more bad news. The girls don't go past HS and are expected

to get married and have a slew of kids. The boys rarely get past HS and seem to go into resession prone trades. No real education on either side and very seldom go far from home. Oh, and guns are God.

[stevedeshazer]

30. Damn. I'm glad I raised liberal kids.

My daughter is 29 and my son is almost 22. They're doing fine, both have college degrees.

Yeah, this is scary.

Education is the bomb that explodes right wing mythology. But you already know that.

:)

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I know in fact, they are the basis for a couple

post US states in a fictional world I am creating... so have been going to places like Freeperland more often now. I used to when researching the militia movement.

And you are right, there is a religious component to this... as well as clear elements of the Family and its religious believes, and of course, the Quiverful movement. Lets just say what I have been reminded off is the real underbelly of American politics. Oh and they are willing to die for these believes as well, so their children, the Army of Job, will inherit the earth.

[Johonny]

32. I disagree

cept the Black president part. Ever talk to these people? They don't know what they want. Only a small percentage of them are true libertarians. Most are just blindly angry, but when cornered seem to agree we need schools, medicare, social security... Which is why the protests seem pointless.

[Rectangle]

33. Excellent post Raven! Yes, while they may not represent a large percentage of

the population of this country (15-25%), there are certainly enough
of them to create serious civil chaos!
They do, indeed, think they are, in a way, doing Gods work!
They do not accept defeat well. (As we are seeing)!
They are not open to changing their minds---ever!!
They are organized, and determined to get their way.
They are the King-makers in the Republican Party
They have a large, well funded propaganda machine.
They are, likely, not going away!
I think we are in for a long-term generational struggle!
I do not underestimate them!!

[Swamp Rat]

34. No soup for you!

[Shallah Kali]

35. SPLC: 'Arming' for Armageddon Militant Joel's Army Followers Seek Theocracy

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=964

Todd Bentley has a long night ahead of him, resurrecting the dead, healing the blind, and exploding cancerous tumors. Since April 3, the 32-year-old, heavily tattooed, body-pierced, shaved-head Canadian preacher has been leading a continuous "supernatural healing revival" in central Florida. To contain the 10,000-plus crowds flocking from around the globe, Bentley has rented baseball stadiums, arenas and airport hangars at a cost of up to $15,000 a day. Many in attendance are church pastors themselves who believe Bentley to be a prophet and don't bat an eye when he tells them he's seen King David and spoken with the Apostle Paul in heaven. "He was looking very Jewish," Bentley notes.

Tattooed across his sternum are military dog tags that read "Joel's Army." They're evidence of Bentley's generalship in a rapidly growing apocalyptic movement that's gone largely unnoticed by watchdogs of the theocratic right. According to Bentley and a handful of other "hyper-charismatic" preachers advancing the same agenda, Joel's Army is prophesied to become an Armageddon-ready military force of young people with a divine mandate to physically impose Christian "dominion" on non-believers.
Todd Bentley healing

"An end-time army has one common purpose — to aggressively take ground for the kingdom of God under the authority of Jesus Christ, the Dread Champion," Bentley declares on the website for his ministry school in British Columbia, Canada. "The trumpet is sounding, calling on-fire, revolutionary believers to enlist in Joel's Army. … Many are now ready to be mobilized to establish and advance God's kingdom on earth."

Joel's Army followers, many of them teenagers and young adults who believe they're members of the final generation to come of age before the end of the world, are breaking away in droves from mainline Pentecostal churches. Numbering in the tens of thousands, they base their beliefs on an esoteric reading of the second chapter of the Old Testament Book of Joel, in which an avenging swarm of locusts attacks Israel. In their view, the locusts are a metaphor for Joel's Army.

Despite their overt militancy, there's no evidence Joel's Army followers have committed any acts of violence. But critics warn that actual bloodletting may only be a matter of time for a movement that casts itself as God's avenging army.

This video was posted on YouTube by a detractor.

Those sounding the alarm about Joel's Army are not secular foes of the Christian Right, few of whom are even aware of the movement or how widespread it's become in the past decade. Instead, Joel's Army critics are mostly conservative Christians, either neo-Pentecostals who left the movement in disgust or evangelical Christians who fear that Joel's Army preachers are stealing their flocks, even sending spies to infiltrate their own congregations and sway their young people to heresy. And they say the movement is becoming frightening.

"The pitch and intensity of the military rhetoric of this branch of the global Dominionist movement has substantially increased since the beginning of 2008," writes The Discernment Research Group, a Christian watchdog group that tracks what they call heresies or cults within Christianity. "One can only wonder how long before this transforms into real warfare with actual warriors."

a few sites that keep an eye on what right wing religious would-be theocrats are up to:
http://www.talk2action.org
http://www.rightwingwatch.org
http://www.theocracywatch.org

[havocmom]

36. Don't count on it. Overheard grumbling: Taxes went up. Should we protest?

I dunno, did you vote for the ###### mil levy increase?

Yes!

OK, did you vote for the ###### ###### mil levy increase?

Yes! It's important!

Well, THAT is why your tax assessment went up?

Huh?

You VOTED to raise your own taxes!

Huh?



Sad, but true recent chat here abouts ;)

[DearAbby]

37. Ding ding ding...

By some error on the GOP Part. The Marriage is now between the Religious Right, and the Crazees. People that isn't a marriage made in heaven.

[BlooInBloo]

38. Yes, they are stupid, as well as all that you mentioned.