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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:24 PM
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No Known Electronic-vote System Is Safe. Just read below:
The only way is to ban electronic voting machines altogether, and return to the old system IMMEDIATELY.
We can't afford to wait till 2014!!!


New Hack of Sequoia Voting Machine Changes Votes Undetectably
Media, Congress yawn...
RAW STORY's coverage of the news , and the release of the video demonstration of how to hack a Sequoia AVC Advantage electronic voting machine, began this way last week:

A team of computer scientists at University of California, San Diego, the University of Michigan and Princeton University announced a new way to electronically steal votes Monday. "We wanted to find if a real criminal could do this, starting from scratch, with no access to source code or other closely guarded technical information," the announcer begins. "We faced several challenges: getting a voting machine, figuring out how it works, discovering a weakness, overcoming the machine's security features and constructing attack software."

"In the end we found that it is possible to undetectably change votes and that such an attack takes a lot less time and money than one might expect," the announcer said.

A Princeton professor was able to acquire five voting machines for just $82 that had been resold on a government surplus website. The acquired machines were originally sold by Sequoia Voting Systems.


Hacks of our electronic voting systems used to be big news . Now though, it's been done so many times, and is apparently so simple to do, that the news hardly registers in the corporate mainstream media (if it ever did in the first place). Yet, almost nothing has been done about virtually any of it to date.

We reported on the Princeton professor, Andrew Appel, acquiring the five Sequoia AVC machines two and=2 0a half years ago , that he was able to pick the lock "in seven seconds", and change the chips inside to do anything he might want the machine to do, including change votes after the close of polls on Election Day. The five machines that Appel purchased for $82 on the Internet were purchased by New Jersey just a few years earlier for $10,000 a piece. The state still uses the same hackable, 100% unverifiable voting machines, despite numerous failures during actual elections.

At the time of Appel's purchase, Sequoia Voting System had been touting their "tamperproof products, including ... the AVC Advantage," which, they said, "are sought after from coast to coast for their accuracy and reliability."...

The video tape demonstration of the new hack (posted below ), avers that the chip swap used in the hack can be done while the voting machine is left unattended, which is, as the video notes, a "common practice in many polling places." It certainly is. (See Sequoia voting machines left unattended in two different Riverside County polling locations in 2006, at right.)

While the hack could be accomplished, as suggested by the scientists, by an outsider, an insider, such as an election official, voting machine company employee, or a poll worker who takes the voting machine home in the days prior to the election (a common practice, which has come to be known as a vot ing machine "sleepover") proves the greatest threat to such systems. As acknolwedged by virtually all computer scientists and security experts, and even confirmed by the highly compromised, GOP-operative-created Baker/Carter National Election Reform Commission years ago, the greatest threat to such systems comes from insiders. As even the phony Baker/Carter commission noted : "There is no reason to trust insiders in the election industry any more than in other industries." Thus, there is almost nothing that can be done to protect against such exploits.

But whoever accomplishes this particular hack, the UC San Diego scientists note, the exploit leaves no trace behind and is therefore unlikely to ever be discovered.

In the UC San Diego video demonstration, 3 votes are seen being cast for George Washington during a mock election. But, "after the polls closed, the attacker's invisible software shifts votes." Instead of Washington, the electronic Sequoia voting machine prints out the winner as Benedict Arnold by a 2 to 1 vote margin.

No known electronic voting system, the scientists now argue, is safe. "We demonstrated practical attacks against a specific computer voting machine, the AVC Advantage, but the implications are broader," they note in the video. "Computer security features may not stand the test of time. Providing a lasting safeguard requires a system that voters can verify, such as paper ballots."

They are correct, of course, and no "Luddites" either, as computer scientists and security experts. Though, it should be noted, that while paper ballots --- by definition, "verified" by the voter when they actually fill them in by hand --- are needed, unless they are counted publicly, those too can be easily exploited without detection. < Ed Note: I'll have more on that point shortly, in an article and op/ed I recently wrote for the Commonweal Institute, where I am a Fellow. - BF>

Congressman Rush Holt (D-NJ)'s "Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act" (H.R. 2894) legislation, which we've analyzed in detail , is now working its way through the U.S. House as the leading piece of voting system reform in either chamber. While eventually banning the type of electronic voting systems used in the UC San Diego team's experiment, it would allow them for continued use in the next two federal election cycles, including the 2012 Presidential race. It would then allow for the tabulation of paper ballots by similarly hackable optical-scan system s forever.

Sequoia Voting Systems hackable voting machines are used in fifteen states, including New Jersey (Rush Holt's home state), Missouri, Virginia and the entire state of Nevada, as well as the District of Columbia.

The team that documented this latest hack includes several members of the Princeton team who hacked Diebold's AccuVote touch-screen system in 2006 after we supplied them with the voting machine, as given to us by a Diebold insider. Though it made big quite a splash at the time --- even live on Fox "News" --- when, as with the latest hack, Benedict Arnold was able to defeat George Washington after eye-witnesses watched all the votes being cast in favor of Washington, the same, ironically named Diebold AccuVotes are still in use today. Just like the Sequoia systems.

Professor Ed Felten, one of the members of the original Princeton team, who also worked on the San Diego study, was threatened with a lawsuit , along with Appel, by Sequoia Voting Systems last year. They would be sued, Sequoia informed them, if they carried out an independent inspection of the AVC Ad vantage, after election officials in NJ asked them to do so following the revelation that the machines had reported incorrect vote totals during the Super Tuesday primary in 2008. (The same machines also failed to boot up at all in several locations on the morning of the primary, causing NJ Gov. John Corzine --- and an untold number of other voters --- to be delayed for at least 45 minutes while officials tried to get the systems to boot in Hoboken.)

Though Sequoia never sued the Princeton scientists, as they'd threatened, an investigative report by The BRAD BLOG would document, ironically enough, that Sequoia doesn't even own the intellectual property rights to the voting machines bearing their name. Rather, the IP rights are owned by once (and still?) parent company Smartmatic, a Venezuelan firm tied to Hugo Chavez, which Sequoia claimed to have divested from once federal officials from the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) began questioning the propriety of foreign ownership in a company which supplies, services and programs electronic voting systems in the U.S.. They have been lying to public officials about that point for years.

Despite our report documenting the continuing direct ties between Sequoia and Smartmatic --- even after the company had falsely claimed to have severed their relationship entirely --- neither the corporate media, nor the U.S. government has re-opened their investigation into the matter to our knowledge. And Sequoia voting machines continue to be used across the country, in election after election, despite failure after failure, and hack after hack.

* * *
Several of the previous known exploits of electronic voting systems in the U.S., by independent scientists and academics include:


Diebold optical-scan system, 2005, hacked by Harri Hursti in Leon County, FL (video)
Diebold touch-screen system, 2006, hacked by Harri Hursti in Emery County, UT
Sequoia tabulator, accidentally hacked by Michael Shamos in PA (while trying to demonstrate that the system was not hackable)20
Diebold touch-screen system, 2006, hacked by computer scientists at Princeton
Sequoia Edge DRE, 2007, hacked by computer scientists at U.C. Santa Barbara (video release in 2008)
Independent tests commissioned by the states of CA, OH and CO all found they were able to hack every system tested. In seconds. * * *
The video of the latest hack of the Sequoia AVC Advantage voting system, by scientists working out of the University of California, San Diego, follows below...



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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:29 PM
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1. And no-known non-electronic system is perfectly safe, either.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:44 PM
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3. True, nothing human can be perfect, but at least the old system
is far more difficult to manipulate without detection than the electronic ones. Agreed?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:11 PM
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5. Electronics with 'TRADE SECRET' code makes the theft INVISIBLE and potentially massive.
Election fraud can of course occur in any system. This makes it EASY.

And half the states still do no audit at all--either no paper trail toaudit, or they don't bother to count the paper. The other half (with a paper ballot backup) do maybe a 1% audit--totally inadequate in a 'TRADE SECRET' code system. Experts whom I respect say that a 10% audit is the minimum needed to detect fraud. Venezuela uses electronic voting, but it is an OPEN SOURCE code system--anyone may review the code by which the votes are tabulated--and they count a whopping 55% of the votes as a check on machine fraud. The US is a backward country on this matter--truly a "banana republic" run by global corporate predators and war profiteers.

And the 'TRADE SECRET' code isn't even the worst of it. The worst of it is who owns and controls the code--for instance, ES&S (which just bought up Diebold), whose initial funder and major investor is reclusive, rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon foundation, which touts the death penalty for homosexuals (among other things)! That's who is 'counting' our votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code! (And Sequoia isn't a whole lot better--big Puke connections.)

Our system could not be more vulnerable, and was made deliberately so by the Anthrax Congress, which appropriated $3.9 billion to fast-track these extremely insecure, rightwing billionaire-controlled machines all over the country, with NO audit/recount requirements.

We must change this--we MUST. And it can only be done at the state/local level, cuz Congress clearly isn't going to do a goddamn thing about it. And there is hope at the state/local level, because the power over voting systems still resides at that level (with the federal government steadily encroaching on it), and ordinary citizens have more potential influence with their local county and state officials than we do in DC.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:21 PM
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6. Yes, I'm aware of all of this.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:09 PM
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7. This forum probably has members living in every state of the
Union. Perhaps we could start a movement that would reach each and every county in
the nation advising people of the above, and asking them to take part in contacting
their local officials, stressing that time is of the essence in changing the
machines, and advising that there should be enough observers from both major
parties to watch and ensure every step of the way that the vote-counting will be
honest and above board, beginning in November, 2010, 2009. I realize how
difficult this process will be. But, at least, we could try and do our best.

What do you think?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:31 AM
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9. Nice one. By inserting the word "perfectly"
and concluding with the word "either," you constructed a classic false equivilancy strawman. The OP didn't say "perfectly safe." But of course you know that.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:18 AM
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10. Nope, but some don't allow changes you cannot SEE.
And, those are as perfect as perfect need be.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:43 PM
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2. What is "The Old System"?
Part of the reason for HAVA was that fact that we had a hodge-podge of systems (paper ballot, punch-card, lever with party-line voting, lever without, etc.); some ADA functional, some not.

I don't want to get into another argument about the electronic /non-electronic options (btw: in MY book non-electronic includes paper ballots assisted by optical scanners); but if your particular flavor is level machines (ala New York), keep in mind that 1) They're still 50 years old, and you'll need to be prepared to design and manufacture new ones eventually, and 20 if you don't think fake votes can be added to a lever machine, I'd like to introduce you to some Party Committeemen in Philadelphia....
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 02:53 PM
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4. With the electronic voting machines, massive fraud can be
committed without anyone being the wiser, except for the perpetrators. You have mentioned
several old-type machines. Maybe you also know which one of them would present the least
possibility for fraud, if there are enough observers from both major parties watching --
every step of the way.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:20 AM
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8. What's wrong with a hodge-podge of systems? It helps prevent massive fraud.
No big corp like ES&S can get a power grip on the whole system in a state, or many states, if there are numerous different systems. Centralization and uniformity are sometimes bad, and variety is sometimes a saving grace. As long as local people understand their local system, and can SEE the votes counted, and can VERIFY the count, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having many different systems and much that is right about it, including better security against fraud. This is the biggest argument for the lever machines, in addition to their being entirely owned by the public, and paid for long ago. Why switch from a system that people understand, and in which fraud is detectable and inherently limited--because human hands and bodies have to commit it, real time--to 'TRADE SECRET' electronics in which fraud is extremely difficult to detect and can be massive, across many voting machines and whole states? And why pay multi-millions of dollars with additional on-going costs for upgrades and maintenance, when you have a system that costs almost nothing? Why do it? It's nuts.

You need to see Dan Rather's "The Trouble With Touchscreens" (www.HD.net) which has a segment on how the "crisis" of hanging chads was MANUFACTURED in Florida, by the same corporations that wanted to sell e-voting as the solution!

Electronic voting has done enormous damage to our election system--not only privatizing it with 'TRADE SECRET' code, so that we no longer have the right to SEE our votes counted--IT'S A 'TRADE SECRET'!--but also in driving citizens out of the process. It's all hocus-pocus now, behind the "curtain," by "experts," with the infestation by corporate culture creating an attitude of hostility and disdain by our public officials against ordinary citizens. They don't think we have the right to ask questions about the voodoo they perform to produce plausible election numbers. This is a very bad situation--very, very, VERY bad--and referencing the vulnerabilities in ANY and ALL election systems--fraud is always possible, and has occurred--doesn't help. Electronic voting--and that includes optiscans where inadequate audits are conducted--is many orders of magnitude beyond any other system as to vulnerability to fraud. It is, in truth, designed for fraud. There is no other purpose to having a 'TRADE SECRET' code system with zero or inadequate audits but fraud. It is an extremely anti-democratic and indefensible system.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:02 AM
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13. I suppose any hand-cranked paper system with copies would be
acceptable. Just ban the electronic voting machines from the country - immediately and permanently!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 11:42 AM
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12. Please introduce me to these people who can add votes to a lever machine.
Edited on Tue Sep-15-09 11:50 AM by Wilms
How do they reconcile the total with the poll-book?

And let's keep in mind how many lever machines you'd have to corrupt to throw an election.

I know you're an apologist for computer vote counting...and don't tell me about recounting paper before you check out NY State law.

I know, Lipari & Co forgot that detail too. :eyes:


By the way, having listened to and believed every lie told by Lipari and NYVV you've been left in a position of showing ignorance about the prospects for obtaining parts for lever machines. You ought to thank them.

So...which lever machine type would you like to discuss first?

http://sites.google.com/site/remediaetc/home/documents/VotingMachineServiceCenterletter.pdf

http://sites.google.com/site/remediaetc/home/documents/ShoupMaint.pdf

Google is your friend. Bo Lipari...not so much.

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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 10:38 AM
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11. Solution: Claim that election fraud put Obama into office
Get that meme out there and soon you'll harness the power of the RW media to drop the electronic voting systems.

We could have "operatives" go to Teabagger events and agitate for a verifiable voting system that's NOT SOCIALIST.

That'll get their attention.
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