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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 07:42 PM
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Alex Koppelman: The Final Word On Crowd Size At Protest "I Was There And..."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room

MONDAY, SEPT. 14, 2009 18:15 EDT
The final word on crowd size at conservative protest

It's a little ridiculous that the Internet is still filled with arguments over the size of the crowd that attended the conservative protest at the Capitol on Saturday (and yes, I recognize that War Room has had a few posts on the issue). But I feel the need to weigh in on this one final time, because the right is still hopping mad, convinced the media has been playing down the attendance figures, and they're still dealing with a lot of bad information. Plus, I was there, and I saw the actual scope of the protest for myself. It was not nearly as large as a lot of people are saying.

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I've covered my share of protests and rallies by this point, and I now have a routine for doing so. Before starting to interview protesters, I try to walk around and through the event to get a feel for the mood and size of the crowd. That's what I did on Saturday, too: First, I walked up as close as I could get to the podium, which was on the Capitol lawn, to try and look down at the National Mall and get a sense as to how many people were there. It's hard to blame anyone who's basing their belief that the crowd was mind-bogglingly large on that perspective alone -- from there, due to a large group of tents set up on the Mall, it seemed as if the protest stretched for miles.

But then I went for a walk along the Mall. From the ground there, it was clear the rally petered out pretty quickly. Some on the right are claiming that more than 1 million people were at the event. In order for all those people to have space to stand, the Mall would have had to be packed from the Capitol down past 1st, 2nd and 3rd Streets and as far as 14th Street. In fact, as I noted in a post to Twitter that I wrote from the Mall, the crowd "all but end at 3rd Street." There were some protesters scattered through the block from 3rd to 4th, but not many, and after that it was green space all the way beyond 7th Street, at which point the tents -- which were for an unrelated event -- took over. (If you're not familiar with the geography of the Mall, there's a map here.)

Don't believe someone from Salon would accurately report what he saw on the Mall on Saturday? That's fine -- take a look at this photo, from a post on a conservative blog that's been used as evidence of a big crowd. Just past all the people in the foreground, you can see a bright blue blob -- that's a Freedom Works bus, which was parked on 3rd Street. (For perspective, look to the far right of the photo, where you can see the two buildings in the National Gallery of Art; the first stretches from 3rd to 4th.) Beyond that bus, up until the tents begin, all you can see is green grass.

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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:36 PM
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1. The one on the Conservative blog
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 08:40 PM by WePurrsevere
is pretty good.. add to that this screen capture I did from C-Span coverage of the event and you can really get a good idea of how many where (and were NOT) there.


It looks like you can see the blue "Freedom Works" bus he mentions in both for reference.

I agree that we shouldn't become to complacent about this... 70,000 is a fair showing. IMO we can't allow nor afford to let the voices of this tiny, ignorant, bigoted bunch sway our reps against what the majority of Americans want.. and desperately NEED.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:44 PM
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2. As someone who went to multiple Bush-era war protests...
That's a pretty sad turn-out.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:17 PM
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6. I remember pics from those & you're right...
Do you happen to have any pics from those protests saved? I've been looking for ones from then with a similar perspective.

:)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:28 PM
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8. I posted this yesterday:
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:09 PM
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10. Wow.. I knew I remembered it being huge and...
that certainly looks like a lot more people there then at the Tea Party Twits one.

Thanks for the link and pic. :)
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:21 PM
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7. And that was with pre-planning. Beckass has been talking
about it for months.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:06 PM
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9. Someone here yesterday said
that it was 6 months in the planning and Beck had national TV to promote it. With all that.. this is all they got.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:10 PM
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11. 25k tops. nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:33 PM
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15. MLK Speech - 1963
for contrast. Official estimate is 250k:


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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:45 PM
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3. PERMALINK:
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 09:29 PM by Hissyspit
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:13 PM
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4. Two unrecommends??
Piss off, trolls.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:15 PM
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5. You just know Beck was dreaming of an inauguration sized crowd.
100% pure FAIL
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:13 PM
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12. hey! there were 20 million people there!!
I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:25 PM
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13. Good grief; I just ate!
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:27 PM
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14. I loved Thom Hartmann's assessment today.
He said that even if you estimated the crowd at 60,000, that equals one tenth of one per cent of the people who voted for the LOSER in the presidential election.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:47 PM
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16. Here's A Photo From The March For Women's Lives April 2004




Went with my mom and two of my sisters... and easily over a half a million other folks.

The March for Women's Lives was a demonstration for reproductive rights and women's rights, held April 25, 2004 on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.. The National Park Service no longer makes official estimates of attendance after the Million Man March controversy in 1994, so official estimates are often speculation. March organizers estimated that 1.15 million people participated; others estimated no more than 800,000 marchers,<1> with the Associated Press and the BBC putting the figure between 500,000 and 800,000, comparable to the Million Man March of 1995.<2> Major themes included "anger at the anti-woman policies imposed by President Bush" including the passage of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in 2003<3> and the urgency of a presidential election season. Pro-Life protesters were present in some places along the march route. There were no violent incidents,<4> despite the Washington Post's Hank Steuver referring to it as "aggressive and even occasionally, almost delightfully, profane."


Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Women%27s_Lives

Just for comparison's sake...

:shrug:

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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 06:29 AM
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17. Self delete n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-15-09 06:30 AM by eomer


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