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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:36 PM
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GOP candidate for FL governor supported personhood for the unborn...
while he was in Congress. He refuses to state his position now that the issue is being pushed here in Florida. He is known for his strong ties to the religious right, he might as well come out and be honest about it.

This issue will affect the rights of women to have birth control prescriptions filled. They won on the abortion issue, now they are going after birth control.

Just think...a man who supported this bill while in Congress could easily become Florida's governor.

McCollum supported "personhood" rights for unborn while in Congress

TALLAHASSEE - A proposed Constitutional amendment that could outlaw birth control pills in Florida looks a lot like federal legislation that state Attorney General Bill McCollum co-sponsored while in Congress. McCollum, frontrunner GOP candidate for governor, took no stand last week when asked about the "personhood" question that anti-abortion activists are trying to place on Florida's ballot. The proposed amendment to the state Constitution would establish a human being's "personhood" at the start of biological development, which its sponsors define as fertilization.

That would outlaw abortion and, critics fear, might also lead to bans on oral contraceptives and intrauterine devices, because they can prevent a fertilized egg from developing,

Asked about the initiative, McCollum campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gravitte said that McCollum is firmly "pro-life" but "will not be commenting on hypothetical issues … if this proposal ends up on the ballot voters will certainly know where General McCollum stands."

But history draws a connection between McCollum and the "personhood" initiative, since he co-sponsored similar legislation in Congress in 1988. Then-U.S. Rep. McCollum signed on to California Rep. Bob Dornan's House Joint Resolution 529, which would have assigned to "preborn" persons the protections of the Fifth, Thirteenth and Fourteenth amendments governing rights to due process, citizenship and freedom from slavery.


This is going on in many states now, and it is also known as the "egg as person" crusade.

In just five short years, the primary movers and shakers in the absolutist anti-abortion/anti-choice movement seeking to promote the “personhood” of zygotes (the single cell that forms after a sperm fertilizes an egg) have amassed nearly $58 million in tax-deductible contributions for their cause.


Earlier this year it was said that seven states were pushing this amendment to make the egg a person. Now I hear it is up to about two dozen states.

DENVER, Feb. 18 /Christian Newswire/ -- Personhood USA is pleased to announce that since the beginning of the new year, Seven different States have started efforts for the personhood of pre-born children. In addition, Rep. Duncan Hunter has introduced H.R. 881, the Right to Life Act , on the federal level, propelling the personhood movement forward.

Five States have now introduced bills affirming the personhood rights of pre-born humans from the moment of fertilization including:
Maryland / HB925 Delegate Don Dwyer
North Dakota / H.R. 1572 Rep. Dan Ruby
Montana / SB 406 Sen. Daniel W McGee
South Carolina / H.3526 Rep. Liston Barfield
Alabama / SB-335 Sen. Hank Erwin

Oregon has begun a personhood amendment petition drive, and Mississippi's personhood amendment petition drive is expected to launch within weeks.

The common thread among all of these efforts is the goal to fill what is becoming known as the "Blackmun Hole" in Roe v. Wade. This is where Justice Blackmun implied in the Roe v. Wade decision that if the case were established that the pre-born was a person, the argument for abortion collapses. In Roe v Wade, it is acknowledged that the "fetus" is fully human, but did not grant the rights of "persons" until birth.

Destroying Roe v Wade another way


Just so you know, Bill McCollum has been leading the Democratic candidate for governor in most polls.

Scary thought.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:39 PM
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1. Okay, why mark this down. Why the early unrecs?
Is it the message, the format, the messenger?

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:44 AM
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17. Lurking freepers
They think they're making a difference
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:42 PM
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2. Very serious question
which usually gets scoffed at. If, as conservatives push, life begins at conception and if the unborn are granted personhood, then a person would be considered "born" at conception. Yes/No? The reason I ask, Bobby Jindal, right wing wack job governor of Louisiana and possible Presidential candidate was, according to him, conceived outside the country. Ergo per conservative philosophy he wasn't born in the USA, and therefore ineligble to run for President. Am I nuts? Or what?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:45 PM
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3. Ha Ha
Actually I think that is very perceptive. :hi:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:49 PM
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4. I think it deserves serious consideration
Have jindal announce for president and then birthers will be shown how its really done. They start this shit up and they usually get hurt from it. Conservatives wanted term limits for the president. Who was the first president it effected? Republican Hero Eisenhower.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 01:27 PM
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5. I am worried that McCollum could easily become our governor
After 8 years of Jeb, and the last few weeks of Charlie giving our state away to developers....there may not be much left of us.

Bill comes across as more intelligent than Jindal, but he is every bit as right wing when it comes to religious views.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:19 AM
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15. There you go: anchor babies having to prove parents lived in the US for 9 months prior to breath.
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:19 AM by imdjh
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 06:28 PM
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6. Putting on a moderate hat....but not fooling us.
McCollum is trending to the middle as he runs for governor, but it is make believe.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/orl-mccollum-for-governor-081909,0,114146,full.story

"The conversion hasn't gone unnoticed. Democrats note that McCollum spent his 20 years in Congress deregulating banking and pushing to make personal bankruptcy tougher. He lobbied for the Mortgage Bankers Association of America after he left office in 2001.

Attacks on that record worked for Nelson in 2000; his ads blasted McCollum for his ties to banking and for taking $1.2 million from the financial-services industry.

"That's part of why he lost in 2000, so it's not surprising he's trying to change his image," said Dave Beattie, the Florida pollster who worked for Nelson and is now consulting for Sink."
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:47 AM
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10. Can't Bash McCollum for Financial Services Ties
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 06:47 AM by iamjoy
We really can't get any traction going after McCollum for taking money from the financial services sector. Alex Sink was the head of Bank of America in Florida. If McCollum is close, what does that make Sink? Strange bedfellows, indeed. Oh, I know the Democratic candidate would be a better governor, but if we go this route to ah-hem sink McCollum we may well end up hoist by our petard.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:50 AM
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20. We can't get traction here at all.....our Democrats won't speak out firmly
on anything in this state. Alex Sink is still "thinking" about whether we should have a public option in health care....says she is not sure she understands it. Of course she understands.

Our Dems here are too beholden to the Republicans.
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singingbiscuit Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:23 AM
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18. I've got the new T-shirt for McCollum
PERSONHOOD FOR ZYGOTES, NOW!

McCollum 2010

Somebody design 'em, I'll run a bunch off on the ironing board.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:51 AM
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21. Now that is funny, singing biscuit.
I like that idea. :hi:
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singingbiscuit Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:53 AM
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22. Well, thankya,
I have good ideas sometimes but the execution part ... well.
I was gonna make "Bitter Arugula Eaters for Obama" t-shirts, but then he won before I could!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 08:30 PM
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7. Speaking of McCollum...Paula Dockery R may give him primary competition
She is much more of a real moderate, and it would be a good thing.

Trouble is, she would be more likely to beat Sink than McCollum would..and he is leading in the polls.

Guess we should be careful what we wish for.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2009/09/paula-dockery-may-take-on-bill-mccollum.html

"Primaries can be expensive, bruising and divisive. So Attorney General Bill McCollum has to be relieved he won't face a serious Republican challenge for the gubernatorial nomination, right? Not so fast. State Sen. Paula Dockery, R-Lakeland, says in a Political Connections interview today she is still seriously looking at challenging McCollum for the nomination. Most of the GOP leadership has united behind McCollum, but Dockery says voters are hungry for a break from typical establishment politicians.

"What I'm hearing from other people is, 'We don't think politicians in Tallahassee are listening to us, we don't think anyone's standing up to the special interests, and we love that you took on a battle — a battle that you weren't supposed to win,' " said Dockery, who inspired loads of grass roots enthusiasm this year for almost single-handedly killing the controversial SunRail commuter rail project criticized as a giveaway to CSX Corp."
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 08:40 PM
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8. McCollum=angry, wound too tight, will self destruct in debate against Alex Sink
it will be fun to watch.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 08:49 PM
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9. Lordy I hope so. I tremble to think of him as governor.
:wow:
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:31 AM
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11. So, will they be offering American citizenship to all fetuses in the wombs
of women who are here illegally and have gotten pregnant in the U.S.?
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:35 AM
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12. The unrec fairies are very busy lately...
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 08:49 AM by scentopine
great post as always. As crazies move to the edge of a cliff, dems are picking up hard right candidates in the slip stream.

Today's typical democrat has much in common with 1980 neo-cons. In a terrible way its win-win for conservatives because even in minority or majority power they still control scotus, congress and exec.

I've come to the conclusion in post below that the right-wing blow hard strategy is working well for republicans whether they win or lose. Let's face it - since 1980, year after year we are more republican regarding "free-market" voodoo, war policy, human rights, on and on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6529935&mesg_id=6530940

We are a democracy and if people want to turn the democratic party into the republican party, that would be fine except for corporations and religious groups positioning their own candidates and financing them to the point that no real opposition is allowed to be formed.

Our dem leadership won't fight back because they want to scoop up the right wingers (and their cash) who are just a bit left of the birther and secessionist whack jobs. As these conservatives continue to take refuge in the dem party it will transform the party into something very similar to 1980 republican movement with Reagan as the unspoken role model president.

It's happening. Things will change again when republicans finally field a candidate who isn't a Palin-like monster. Then all these new democrats are going to leave Dems high and dry. At that time our own political market bubble will collapse. And, then you can bet bi-partisanship will be low on the list of republican concerns as they pass every shit piece of corporate and religious sponsored "reform" in lock step.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 05:04 PM
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23. Yes, very busy lately.
The unreccers, that is.

I agree we must fight back, and must stop moving right.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:13 AM
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13. Right Wing..love the fetus.. hate the child....
.. then they'll complain when children show up at the ER looking for health care. Or they'll scream bloody murder when a grand parent tried to bring a crying baby into a 55+ manufactured home community.

Just what we need in Florida.. another glassy-eyed born-again snake handler with one hand on the bible while the other hand reached into the Till. Where's Katherin Harris when you need her?

After Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist.. the carcass is picked clean... nothing much left.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:33 AM
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19. We love the babies UNTIL they're born!
:shrug:
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:51 PM
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24. religious right believes abortion should begin after birth - nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:16 AM
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14. How about a "sperm as person" law?
Makes as much sense...
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jeremyfive Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:42 AM
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16. Deja Vu
Just what we need here in Florida, another freakin' loon like Jeb Bush!
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