How did Bush cheated to get his second term in office?

[WillieW]

I am having an argument on another board about it. They say that he ran fair and square and I don't. I know he was appointed by the S. Court.

[begin_within]

1. Google "Ohio" "2004" "Diebold" and "Blackwell" and see what comes up.

those are the key words.

[derby378]

2. Second term was through malfunctioning electronic voting machines in Ohio and elsewhere

Any DRE touchscreen voting machine, especially those from Diebold, were considered suspect by activists for voting integrity, but many cities and states used them exclusively. Also, the Help America Vote Act mandated the use of touchscreens for the disabled.

[Botany]

3. RFK Jr's piece

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

[PDJane]

4. The Supreme Court gave him his first term.

His second term was a result of electronic voting, and the manipulations of the voting rules, including voter ID rules and some interesting and very illegal ways of denying the vote to servicemen and women.

[Zynx]

5. Considering that pre-election polls came very close to the final results in the aggregate

I am not convinced that there was fraud. Most of the people who claim fraud cherry-pick one or two polls. I urge people to look at the aggregate: http://pollingreport.com/2004.htm#Pollster

[Botany]

6. I live in Columbus OH

I saw "it" w/ my own eyes.
I heard "it" w/ my own ears.

I worked watching a poll that day and saw the cheating first hand.

Across Ohio hundreds and hundreds of cases happened in 2004 and every single one of those cases
broke in favor of the President bush ..... the statistical odds of this happening by random chance
are astronomical.

[damntexdem]

8. We're not talking about the aggregate, we're talking about one state.

Because of the Electoral College, what happened in each state is what counts. So just like Florida in 2000, the issue was Ohio in 2004. And Ohio's vote was rigged.

Were we a real democracy, so that the aggregate vote was what counted, Gore would have won straight up in 2000 -- as he actually did in Florida, so in the EC, but was cheated.

And had we become a democracy by 2004, Dubya would have won based on the aggregate national vote. But we weren't a democracy, we had the EC, and Kerry was cheated in Ohio.

[Zynx]

9. Those polls showed the same thing.

A small Bush lead.

By the way, we are talking about the aggregate too. People have made the accusation that Bush stole votes all over the country.

[keepthemhonest]

11. some reputable colleges and people

evaluated the exit poll results (not the adjusted exit poll results) and believe the 2004 election had election fraud.

Steven Freemand of University of Pennsylvania and Berkelel and MIT.

Basically they equate to him really winning with the exit polls that far off would be like wiining the lottery.It did not happen.Diebold helped them steal it for Bush.

[Zynx]

12. Others have looked at it and disagreed.

Exit poll results before the adjustments have never been right. The analyst at Emerging Democratic Majority posted the numbers from 1988, 1992, and 1996 too and showed that the numbers always overstate urban areas among other things.

[seabeyond]

7. tx, nm, nv, ia, and a couple other states machines hit kerry switched to bush. nt

[omega minimo]

10. CRASH COURSE IN THE DEATH OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IN THE USA

Thank you all very much :eyes:

[Bolo Boffin]

13. Bush should not have been an incumbent.

He shouldn't have been there because he should have been the loser in 2000.

[Initech]

14. There was a study done in Purdue.

Basically the professor in charge of the study figured out that it was easier to hack a Diebold voting machine than it was a Vegas slot machine. Which pretty much tells you all you need to know.