they just released another ACORN tape. this is way too sophisticated

[cali]

and artfully done to simply be the work of two young people. That said, the tape is enough to make me cringe.

[Why Syzygy]

1. What are you talking about?

I hate it when y'all think we're mind readers.

[cali]

3. Sorry. This is the story about the two young repubs

who posed as a pimp and prostitute to ACORN workers, seeking help in their business of trafficking in underage girls. Some offices booted them, but some didn't. This is the fourth video released. Some employees have been fired and the Senate just voted not to fund ACORN's housing program. It's a big story.

[Why Syzygy]

6. Thanks.

I can only keep up with so many scandals. This wasn't one of them.

[walldude]

21. I haven't found anything about underage girl trafficking

Everything I read is about how to launder illegally obtained funds. Either way I think ACORN should get the boot. If they were a right wing organization there wouldn't even be a debate about it on DU. It would be "off with their heads".

[Wizard777]

24. I agree that Acorn employees have engaged in some improprieties.

But the Acorn employees merely coconspired with O'Keefe and Giles. You simply can't say it's okay to conspire to commit a crime. But it's highly illegal to coconspire with that crime. The conspiracy is either illegal for all parties involved or none of the parties involved. Either way provides and equal protection of law.

They did in maryland. They even sought and obtained immigration advice.

[wroberts189]

33. Perhaps they have them confused with Blackwater/XE. nt

[frylock]

2. somebody big is fronting this..

these two have been flying all over the country.

[kenfrequed]

9. Clearly.

This was a hit job on Acorn, getting illegally stung by a ridiculous and implausible con job? It feels like a set up to me. It feels like the repukes bounced around Acorn offices until they ran into one that was employing the right people. Workers that no one can seem to contact now.

[cali]

11. except they didn't find just one office where they

were given advice on illegal activities, but 4.

[kenfrequed]

12. That is the bizarre part

And the stranger it is the more questions I have in regards to this whole story. I want interviews of teh workers and undoctored tapes.

[paulsby]

29. 4 that they have released SO far

just this morning it was 3. let's not make assumptions.

[michreject]

37. 4

Maryland, DC, NY and San Bernardino, Ca.

[paulsby]

41. yes

my point is they keep trickling out new videos, which is remarkably effective at making these apologists look absurd.

check the archives here. i said after the FIRST video, that while it wasn't dispositive, i suggested we were looking at a culture of corruption. that was soon confirmed with each new video.

it's simply a colossal fuck up on ACORN's part.

[Whisp]

30. Lou Fricken Dobbs, he Hates ACORN. nt

[cap]

4. how many times were these people turned down by ACORN staffers?

I mean, really, if this "film crew" was turned down by 100 staffers and they found 2 or 3, then that's a different story.

As opposed to ACORN is full of low life staffers.

[cali]

5. sadly, there have now been four offices implicated

I don't know how many offices they approached but still, four offices is a problem.

[ananda]

7. My thoughts on ACORN.

ACORN's core goals of promoting the minority vote
and helping the poor get affordable housing are
good and noble.

However, I think the organization got too large
and widespread to manage properly.

I do realize that the rightwing is mounting a
vicious and persistent attack on ACORN to bring it
down and tar Obama with the association.

I get that.

But I also think that it's time for ACORN to dismantle.

I think these goals can still be achieved, but that
achievement might work better on a local or regional
level.

It's time for smaller communities to organize for
these goals and manage the process better and more
effectively.

[Rick Myers]

13. The footage is shot covertly

They have had the police called on them... All those involved have tight ties to the Reich-wing noice machine...

[Gold Metal Flake]

8. Maybe someone needs to look at the fired employees.

If this is a COINTELPRO-type operation, one would not leave 50% of the gimmick up to chance.

[cali]

10. yeah, it would be interesting to see who these folks are, how long

they've worked at ACORN, etc.

[Gold Metal Flake]

20. Interesting, yes, but I think it is imperative.

The attorneys for ACORN are probably way ahead on this idea. I'm not exactly Mr. Original here. I wonder how this story will look six months from now.

[L. Coyote]

38. Gotta admit, my first thought was total set-up from the first step.

That would be way easy.

But also, they could be creating a sting, drawing people into their trap. That too would be easy.

[redqueen]

14. ACORN claims the footage is edited.

It's too bad this is all being pre-investigated by the M$M. Not exactly the fairest way to go about things.

[cali]

15. yes, I know. And that's a possibility.

as for it being pre-investigated by the MSM, I wouldn't mind a real investigation and review of what we actually know, but of course we're not getting that.

[TxRider]

16. I'm sure it is

For length if nothing else.

[redqueen]

17. Did you really not get that that's not what I meant? Nor what they meant?

Too much brainpower around these parts these days. Not.

[TxRider]

18. I dunno

I thought I got what you meant.

I'm sure it's just a tiny part, the worst looking pieces, edited out of a longer tape.

Did you mean something more?

[Occulus]

19. He meant they didn't provide the raw footage in the first place

It was edited before it ever got to any official hands, which makes the whole thing suspect.

[daleo]

22. It will end up being a right wing dirty tricks operation

Count on it.

[ljm2002]

27. That's a given...

...the tragedy is they found people stupid enough, and without any moral bearings, who would go along with their contrived BS, in the process delivering a sucker punch to ACORN. It's hard to see how they recover from this unless it turns out that their employees were paid to say what they said by the same people who backed this operation in the first place.

[daleo]

40. Conservatives loved using the "one bad apple" defense

During the Iran war sex/torture scandals. Even worst case scenario, this is no worse than that was.

Plus, this probably also constitutes entrapment, fraud and many other crimes on the part of the dirty tricksters. But we need the facts to be fully revealed.

[wroberts189]

32. +1

[TheKentuckian]

23. Lets dig into the Republican "good works" ventures

of course when they are dirty they get the pass. Seems to always just be a case of a bad apple or two dozen rather than systemic, no matter how widespread or repeated.

[suffragette]

25. James O'Keefe has been training for something like this for awhile

Did some looking around and found this info:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4054553&mesg_id=4058600

[Statistical]

26. I wonder how many tapes there are?

First one, then two, then three, then four.

Makes ACORN look very foolish about talking about single instance.

Also by stretching it out it stays in the news cycle longer.

I mean if it is a well funded attack job there is no reason why they couldn't have 6, 10 or even 12 tapes.

Just keep cranking them out periodically to keep the pressure up. Generally in a situation like this you hope the news cycle changes so you get out of the heat. A supply of tapes makes that impossible.

[drm604]

28. This is really making me sick.

This is an obvious smear campaign. They have over 1,000 neighborhood chapters in the U.S. If you hit enough offices you'll find a few idiots who are either willing to give advice to criminals or who recognize that the characters and situations are so over the top that they assume it's some kind of joke and play along.

The idea that ACORN has some kind of national policy of helping criminals is just ridiculous. What could ACORN possibly gain from helping to pimp out underage girls? It makes no sense to anyone who looks at it objectively.

[wroberts189]

34. It stinks to high heaven, we have them to thank for getting Obama in.

Republican's have declared war on them. Does anything more need to be said? If the pubs are against something you can damn near guarantee its a good thing for Dems. and the public welfare in general.

[wroberts189]

31. Blackwater/XE CEO accused of murder and child prostitution...

and other crimes with two sworn affidavits by ex high level staff. Employees also charged with murder and war crimes. Contracts still being renewed.


Acorn...two low level employees fired for cause under suspicious circumstances... Acorn now denied Federal funding despite having helped register thousands of new voters and helping Dems win the election.


WTF ... Do the Dems. want to be in the minority again? Pubs have had it in for Acorn for a long time.


This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[Wizard777]

35. Acorn was damned if the do and damned if they didn't.

USC Title 18, Part 1, chapter 13, section 245 (b)(1A)&(1B)

(b) Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, by force or
threat of force willfully injures, intimidates or interferes with, or
attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with--
(1) any person because he is or has been, or in order to
intimidate such person or any other person or any class of persons
from--
(A) voting or qualifying to vote, qualifying or campaigning
as a candidate for elective office, or qualifying or acting as a
poll watcher, or any legally authorized election official, in
any primary, special, or general election;
(B) participating in or enjoying any benefit, service,
privilege, program, facility, or activity provided or
administered by the United States;

[grok]

36. O'Keefe has been doing this for quite a while..

Hell, he got the "racist cereal" Lucky Charms banned from the Rutgers campus just to see if he could and make a point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3WUnFiEJ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6XCkFy1vA&

I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

Check out the other RUCenturion films. Like the one on getting people to sign a petition to ban water.

I'm, sorry but this 25 year old "kid" can easily do this on his own. Properly funded of course.

[L. Coyote]

39. Bush torture thread 21 views, ACORN thread 1700 views, Wilson 3,000!

Any questions why they are creating this news from scratch?