Has anyone seen some of the actual video where the FAUX plants

[NJmaverick]

actual talk about trafficking in under age girls or that they are bringing them in from El Salvador? I have looked at plenty of video and the ONLY mention I have seen is their lies setting up their video.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Yes. Heck, they even showed it on the Daily Show last night. n/t

[NJmaverick]

6. Do you have a link?

[SteppingRazor]

30. Try Thedailyshow.com.

it's the second video down, titled "The Audacity of Hos."

[NJmaverick]

54. Seen it and they don't mention anything about underage girls being sex slaves

[SteppingRazor]

59. It's right there, at just after the two minute mark:

"There's going to be 13 El Salvadorean girls coming into this house, and they're very young, and we don't want to put them on the books."

Isn't that what you were looking for?

[NJmaverick]

60. That is vague and only with the set up information

does one assume they are bringing in underage girls as sex slaves.

[SteppingRazor]

61. That's not what you asked. You asked, in your OP:

"Has anyone seen some of the actual video where the FAUX plants actual talk about trafficking in under age girls or that they are bringing them in from El Salvador?"


I then pointed you to a video where they do indeed say they are bringing girls from El Salvador.

And, as you said, with the setup information, it's obvious why they're bringing these girls in.

[NJmaverick]

64. Yes it is. Thanks to FAUX people are seeing and hearing things that

weren't said. So my main assertion that ACORN was not promoting the trade in human beings.

[SteppingRazor]

66. But if that's the case, then you're saying that the ACORN person was a total moron.

And you're also insulting the intelligence of anyone who sees the video and has to acknowledge that it's obvious what this alleged pimp and prostitute were planning. Even if it's not specifically named in the video I pointed you to, it's completely insulting to both the intelligence of the ACORN rep and the viewer of the video to suggest that these people meant anything other than child prostitution.

I guess I'm having a hard time figuring where you're coming from. If you're trying to disprove that these people SPECIFICALLY said that they were bringing in El Salvadorean girls to be used as child prostitutes, then I suppose you have a point.

But if you're trying to say that the people didn't say exactly that through their painfully obvious dialog, or that the ACORN rep might not have realized what they were suggesting, then I just don't think you have a case.

[NJmaverick]

74. No I think that people taken in were foolish

anything coming from FAUX news should have been taken with a grain of salt and a high degree of suspicion.

[paulsby]

2. lots of videos up at their website

it's also been on various cable teevee shows

[NJmaverick]

5. Seen plenty of video, I am looking for a link where they actually

lay out their plans to bring in under aged girls

[paulsby]

7. if you want to read the transcripts, it's on the website. nt

[NJmaverick]

9. No transcripts, I want to see and hear for myself, I don't trust those lying weasels

as far as I could throw em.

[paulsby]

14. i'm repeating myself

but the videos are on the website if you want to hear it

[NJmaverick]

15. I watched tons of their videos and I so no mention

so I need a link

[paulsby]

26. ok here it is

http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/10/in-the-bowels-of-baltimores-acorn/#more-302

first video on the page. 8:32 second of first video is pretty choice!

[NJmaverick]

29. So it never said they were underaged or mentioned how old they were

nor do they say they are bringing them over for prostitution. so I was right, FAUX is full of shit.

[paulsby]

32. yes they DO!

for pete's sake. do some due diligence. i think he first mentions it around 7:30. 8:30 is when she mentions the dependant thang iirc.

it's ON there. listen to the whole tape and then make up your mind.

i've listened to every tape and read all the transcripts, fwiw. i think it's worth it.

but then i'm currently on disability so i have a lot of time :)

[NJmaverick]

55. I have seen the tapes and the FAUX set up leads one to fill in missing

information that was never presented like they are bringing in underage girls to be sex slaves.

[paulsby]

78. that same information is on the tape

they specifically mention the underage girls on the baltimore tape that they will be using, and the woman offers them advice.

[TxRider]

3. Yes underage girls from honduras

[NJmaverick]

4. where is a link to the video?

[unpossibles]

8. the clip I saw mentions them as being 13 girls who are young

I did not notice them specifically say they were underage or not, but I was only halfway paying attention to the TV when it was on. Splitting hairs, perhaps, but I don't recall them saying they were underage or that they were prostitutes, other than the first one.

[NJmaverick]

11. With these weasels you have to split hairs as they are gifted in the art of deception

[masuki bance]

10. It's repeated endlessly on the videos. They describe them

as 12-15 years old, previously raped. They want to trick them out, (get extra money if the guys beat them) and use the money for the brothel and the rest for the pimp to run for office as a Democratic Congressman.

[NJmaverick]

12. Do you have a link?

I looked at plenty of video and all they ever talk about is the one prostitute.

[masuki bance]

16. You're being dishonest. It's made plain over and over on purpose.

If you actually watched the videos you would not be asking this.

[NJmaverick]

17. You don't have a link and I am the one being dishonest?

are you serious?

[masuki bance]

21. Here you go, full unedited video, the last 4- it goes for about an hour.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/15/fox-news-posts-full-unedited-video-of-sting-on-acorn-san-bernardino/

Next time just admit you haven't watched shit.

[NJmaverick]

25. LOL! You post a support joe wilson website

where apparantly Glenn Beck was involved in the sting. Next time try watching what you post and skip the snark (as you don't know enough to pull it off)


Edit to add: Just so we are clear they are not the uneditted videos you claim them to be.

[masuki bance]

27. You're high. nt

[NJmaverick]

31. lol wrong yet again

you grow tiresome

[masuki bance]

28. The last 4, dumbass. nt

[NJmaverick]

33. That's the discredited one dumbass

nor is it unedited

[Zywiec]

18. He's like a broken record. n/t

[NJmaverick]

19. Yeah imagine wanting to get to the truth of the matter

:eyes:

[emilyg]

22. I doubt you want the truth.

[NJmaverick]

24. I got the truth and not surprisingly you were WRONG

they only said young, they never gave ages nor mentioned they were under aged. Fortunately there are those that are less easily fooled by FAUX news

[redqueen]

34. OMG are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?!

It only says "young"?

There's no exact mention of age?

How is that possible? There has to be some clip where they talk about "children" or "underage" or SOMETHING to back up all this garment-rending...

[masuki bance]

35. You been posting for two days on this topic and you haven't seen the videos? nt

[redqueen]

37. Nope... can you answer the question please?

Is there a direct reference to underage people or "child whores" etc?

[masuki bance]

38. Good grief. See post #21. That's just plain idiotic. nt

[masuki bance]

39. Also top of big government dot com

Transcripts, audio, lots of stuff.

[redqueen]

40. That sounds like a RW outlet... can't you just answer the question?

I'll take your word for it... do they or don't they explicitly mention the things that are being claimed?

[masuki bance]

44. They repeat loudly and often that they are getting a shipment

or already have a shipment (depends on which city) of 13 (12 to 15 year old El Salvadorian girls, that's why they get the advice to use some as dependents on their tax returns)that she wants to trick out and they need a house or a retail business to provide cover for the operation. On one of the tapes she states that they have already been raped and are experienced and that she can charge the johns more money when they beat up the girls. The money is to be used for a future run for congress as a Democrat.

[redqueen]

48. Thanks... if it's so clearly stated, I'm at a loss as to why anyone would say otherwise.

This part stands out... "The money is to be used for a future run for congress as a Democrat."

Do they actually say this?

Jesus, they might as well have been wearing a big flashing neon "I'M A REPUBLICAN" sign.

[masuki bance]

50. Yes they actually say that. The plan was to use a scenario that was so

over the top that no one would be able to believe that anyone would fall for it.

O'Keefe uses the same types of tactics in his other videos. he got Rutgers to ban Lucky Charms cereal in the cafeteria because it oppressed him and fellow students of Irish descent. He also called several Planned Parenthood offices to donate money, but only if they would accept with the understanding that it could only be used for black babies because he didn't want his son to lose a spot in College to affirmative action- they agreed.

Rutgers- http://www.youtube.com/RUCenturion#play/uploads/11/Qh3WUnFiEJ4

Planned Parenthood- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiFOFUGIhFE

[redqueen]

51. Good Lord... this kind of idiotic crap is really eating up this much media time?

Really?

:banghead:

[masuki bance]

52. No, nobody is talking about those two videos.

That's just background so you could understand the outfits and the scenario. They went in to ACORN offices across the country with this story and got four of those offices to assist them on how to set up and then cover up the child sex slave operations. Those are the videos that have hit.

[redqueen]

53. Yes and it's sad that they found employees in four offices

who would go along with that.

But honestly... four offices? Out of how many?

And this is eating up how much energy?

It's just insanely stupid... any way you slice it.

[emilyg]

77. In the first video they

mentioned ages. Keep believing what you want. 'bye.

[Hansel]

36. Do you have video where you see them actually say that to her?

They have video of still pictures with a audio of a man purportedly saying something I couldn't understand. They have video of people talking with either their mouths or entire faces blurred out. They have pictures of at least one woman talking in which the words don't seem to match her lip movements. But we don't see any pictures of these people speaking to them. No tape of the pimp and prostitute talking. How do we even know that that is what they said? Why should we believe them?

Unless the person responding is answering by exactly repeating what they said, how do you know that this what the interviewers said they were responding to is really what they were responding to? Why do the tapes jump all over the place?

I saw an old woman bragging about killing her husband. Who is she? Was she officially working with these people? What was her role? She could have just as easily been a woman whose job it was to clean offices. We have a guy who is mentally disabled who is a greeter and helper at Cub. Should Cub be taken down if he appear to says some weird things?

I think that too many people have been a little too quick to judge these videos as meeting some high caliber form of journalism that doesn't leave any room for question. It was particularly interesting to see Jon Stewart not question it as his show is known for editing video interviews to make the interviewee appear in the worst light possible and then giggles about how dumb they are to consent to the interview.

I'm sorry, but when I see tape of people's mouths being distorted and missing the interviewer's face, I tend to take them with a grain of salt and not at face value. I want more information, more evidence from a credible source, not some couple that look like they just came from a frat party where they dressed up as their stereotype of pimps and prostitutes.

I want to hear from the other people on those tapes and I want to know if the interviewer's questions were dubbed over, what the reason for blurring mouths and faces were, and why there is a still picture of a guy dubbed over with some guy's voice.

Also, I want to know why the tape is over 5 years old but is being pedaled as recent.

[masuki bance]

42. See post #21 and #39 and give yourself a couple hours.

It's from this year, July and August. The timer is off. Acorn agrees on the timeline.

[Hansel]

45. Again, do you have the tapes of the pimp and prostitute's faces

asking the questions?

[masuki bance]

46. No. Maybe you could send ACORN your theory that they were

asking about the weather.

On edit, yes. In the San Bernadino tapes O'Keefe looks at Hannah while she is asking questions.

[Hansel]

47. So no it is?

So how do you know that they were actually saying what they claim they were saying? Seriously. '

[masuki bance]

49. They do show her, I edited my post. nt

[Hansel]

57. Okay. I saw the tape on Jon Stewart last night and I just

reviewed the other tape. I don't see Hannah asking the questions but I did find this:

http://www.sbsun.com/ci_13342555?source=most_viewed

The woman claims she knew they were actors (which is so over the top obvious, which is the reason I'm suspicious of what is being shown on its face) and that she was screwing around with them. The woman has never killed anyone, even though she claimed she did in the video, which lends more credence to her claim that she thought they were just screwing around.

This is the most reasonable explanation for the videos I've seen so far and explains why other branches just called the police on these clowns. I'm pretty sure that some people played along because they thought it was some kind of community theater gig. This is why I want to see the complete UNCUT RAW footage before I determine that these people were that bat shit crazy and stupid to go along with this. Especially when the people were so obviously in costumes.

Call me naive, but I spent 10 years working in the inner city in community organizing and I know something about the poor and people who volunteer and work at these organizations. Most of them have street smarts that won't quit and can sniff out a con from a mile away. No matter how stupid they might appear to you.

However, if these 2 clowns, who were obviously dressed in costumes, told them it was a play and they were just playing along, it was stupid to do, but not anywhere near as horrible as most people here have been so quick to believe.

I don't buy the whole thing as Fox is trying to portray it, but I do buy what this women is saying about it. It makes the most sense. And if you had watched Red Eye the other night with this pair on, you would know that they are punks and racist to the nth degree.

We have theater groups in our community that do these kinds of things periodically. One time one of the woman behind a Taco Bell counter suddenly started singing that she had no napkins and was wondering if anyone had some. She then jumped over the counter and started dancing. By the time they were done there were over 30 people singing and dancing a choreographed dance including the sweeper and the security guard. Everyone eating there kind of figured out it was a gag but just played along. So if someone was video taping it, would we all of been insane for pretending people really sing and dance around the food court?

Theater is very integrated in inner city community programs, so that a theater group would do this isn't that far fetch. The people acted stupidly, but probably were not seriously going to set up tax havens for brothels. Really.

[masuki bance]

65. With your research maybe you could get ACORN to reverse this statement-

In response to recently released videos of frontline ACORN staff, ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis made the following announcement Wednesday morning:

"As a result of the indefensible action of a handful of our employees, I am, in consultation with ACORN's Executive Committee1, immediately ordering a halt to any new intakes into ACORN's service programs until completion of an independent review. I have also communicated with ACORN's independent Advisory Council, and they will assist ACORN in naming an independent auditor and investigator to conduct a thorough review of all of the organizations relevant systems and processes. That reviewer, to be named within 48 hours, will make recommendations directly to me and to the full ACORN Board. We enter this process with a commitment that all recommendations will be implemented."

Ms. Lewis is specifically ordering the following steps be taken effective noon eastern on September 16, 2009:

* No new intakes will be accepted into ACORN's offices for service programs, effective immediately;

* An immediate in-service training for all frontline staff has been ordered within 48 hours;

* ACORN's independent Advisory Council will help select an independent auditor/reviewer no later than September 18th to review all of the systems and processes called into question by the videos.


In early 2009, ACORN set up an independent Advisory Council to help facilitate a transition to a new management team under the leadership of CEO Bertha Lewis. Lewis was appointed to the job in the fall of 2008 after disclosure of a set of improper management decisions by the founder of the organization, who had led ACORN for 38 years. ACORN's Advisory Council includes:

* John Podesta, President and CEO, Center for American Progress

* Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Board Member, RFK Foundation, former MD Lt. Governor

* Andrew Stern, International President, Service Employees International Union

* Henry Cisneros, Executive Chairman, Cityview

* John Banks, Vice President of Government Relations Con Ed

* Eric Eve, Senior VP of Global Consumer Group, Community Relations, Citigroup

* Harvey Hirschfeld, President, Lawcash

* Dave Beckwith, Executive Director, Needmor Fund


Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, a member of the Advisory Council said: "ACORN has a long history of serving those who most need help, and giving voice to those who have been left behind. We will take the necessary steps to ensure that ACORN functions with the highest levels of ethical standards and competence."

Since the fall of 2008, ACORN's new management team has instituted a set of changes, including:

* The establishment of a new senior management team of the organization;

* Revamping of ACORN's board structure, including the establishment of new oversight committees with new resourcing to those committees;

* Establishment of the independent Advisory Council

* Processes to hire a new auditor, CFO, and other key management positions.


Said Ms. Lewis: "We have all been deeply disturbed by what we've seen in some of these videos. I must say, on behalf of ACORN's Board and our Advisory Council, that we will go to whatever lengths necessary to reestablish the public trust. For nearly forty years, ACORN has given voice to communities, and gotten results. Right now, our nearly 500,000 member are working their hearts out for quality, affordable healthcare for every American and to help stop the foreclosure crisis. We must get this process right, so the good work can go forward."

http://www.acorn.org/

[louis-t]

13. KO had it last night. It's on the videos.

Which I still don't trust 100%

[oligarhy]

20. The John Stewart clip says

"There is going to be 13 young El Salvadorian girls coming to this house...and they are very young."

The OP might be on to something here.


www.comedycentral.com

The Audacity of Hos

[NJmaverick]

23. Hmmm.... Interesting so it looks like FAUX mislead

thanks

[EFerrari]

58. Very interesting question, NJ. I'm brain dead from moving

and am glad someone's mind is working. :)

[NJmaverick]

68. FAUX pulled a classic con. You create a set up

that naturally leads people to fill in the blanks when they watch the tapes. So while the people in the tapes hear odd and vague comments, the viewers are seeing proof of the false set up.

[nccomms]

41. what difference does it make

they went into an office said i need help doing something illegal & received help. I don't care what the crime was. If i steal 5.00 vs 500.00 it makes no diff. i still broke the law. I know that one would be more severe than the other, but so what. I also understand the argument that ACORN's management may not have known about this, but as a business owner myself i know everything that go's on in my company. No i'm involved in everything that happens, but i have managers & staff that are appointed to oversee & report to me. So it kinda is the managements fault. The other thing is that they went to several offices asked basically the same question & received the same answer. So not saying that it is, but it sure looks like SOP for ACORN to do whatever necessary legal or not.

[Hansel]

43. Did you see the people who made the tape say anything?

Did you see their faces?

Unless the people whose faces were being taped repeated verbatim what the filmmakers said, you have no idea if they actually said these things and that is what the person was responding to.

I could tape a whole conversation with someone and then go back home in dub in my side of the conversation. I believe there was a tape out there for awhile of Bill O'Reilly throwing a temper tantrum on the set. A couple of very talented filmmakers dubbed themselves into the tape as the cameraman and the cue card holders and gave some rather hilarious responses to him. I don't think anyone actually believe that conversation took place.

So where is the video of the people who taped this? Where are their faces when asking these supposed questions?

[NJmaverick]

56. It's a classic con, they create a false set up

and then viewers fill in the blanks, when they watch the tape. Not unlike the Schiavo videos.

[Hansel]

62. Exactly.

http://www.sbsun.com/ci_13342555?source=most_viewed

To me the attached article has the most logical explanation. In the videos this woman claimed she killed her husband, which she did not. In the article she says she knew they were actors and they were all just messing around.

[ieoeja]

63. Buying a house is not illegal.

I just read the full transcript from Washington. There was not a single mention of underage girls. And all they advised them on doing was how to buy a house .. legally.

Yes, he and she talked about her being a prostitute, etc. But ACORN didn't recommend she be a prostitute (in fact, he and she also said they were doing this to eventually help her go straight).

Everything that *ACORN* talked about was perfectly legal.

[NJmaverick]

67. Sadly too many people, even here on DU, have been fooled

and it will be nearly impossible to set the record straight.

[masuki bance]

70. It's crazy isn't it? They even have the White House, The Senate

Congress, The Census Bureau, New York Attorney General Cuomo, The City Council in Brooklyn, etc.. etc.. fooled.

If only they had your detective skills.

*sigh*

[NJmaverick]

72. Your assumption is both wrong and foolish

political expediency does not indicate that they were fooled, only that they have become a political liability. You should do more thinking and less sighing.

[masuki bance]

75. I sure hope you're pulling our legs here on this. The alternative

seems highly unlikely.

[NJmaverick]

80. I would say the same, as I would like to think DUers are not so easily

duped by FAUX news

[masuki bance]

76. Watch this, get back to me.

Watch from 7:45 to at least 4:00- http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=9613823&referralPlaylistId=7d2d5bd63680dc4edd78454469b3e9ed957322bb

Watch from 5:45 to the end (it counts down, so it is 5:45 long)This is the one where they talk about letting the johns smack em around for extra money- http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=9616937&referralPlaylistId=7d2d5bd63680dc4edd78454469b3e9ed957322bb

[ieoeja]

81. You mean the video where the ACORN woman pretends to be a killer?

You actually posted links where the ACORN employee, having already figured out the two are faking it, decides to one-up them by pretending she is an ex-prostitute who killed her ex-husband?

You do know the police already confirmed that the woman's ex-husbands are alive and well, right? So why in the world would you post a link to something that has already been debunked?

Are you that much of a prig that you can't imagine a person joking about something like that?

Actually, I suppose you are. You certainly seem horrified that someone would do their job even if the customer is a known prostitute.

[masuki bance]

82. And the other four locations?

San Bernadino, DC, Baltimore, and New York?

Why were the operations suspended? Why did both houses of Congress strip their funding? The attorney generals in multiple states across the country, why are they investigating?


Why were those employees fired if everything on the tapes was a result of doctoring the tapes or that they were playing along?

All prigs?

C'mon Sherlock, let me hear you defend all these actions by these employees.

[ieoeja]

83. Here goes....

San Bernadino is the one you linked. The one where the woman knowingly jerked the fakers along. So that should be "other three locations" not four.

DC gave them perfectly legal advise on how to buy a house. There was nothing, NOTHING, wrong with what the women in DC did.

I haven't seen transcripts for Baltimore or New York. So I have no comment on those.



The operations were suspended because of the politics of pandering to fucking prigs like you.

Both houses of Congress stripped their funding because of the politics of pandering to fucking prigs like you.

The attorney generals in multiple states across the country are investigating because of the politics of pandering to fucking prigs like you.

Those employees were fired because of the politics of pandering to fucking prigs like you.

[masuki bance]

84. You should at least get the basic facts correct, there have been a total of five stings

in five different cities that have been rolled out. There are more to come.

Nothing wrong with the behavior in DC? LOL! That's a good one.

"..right, but when the police ask you, you don't know where it's (the cash) coming from, is what we're trying to tell you. We're looking out for you!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MCk6GvQO4

[Zywiec]

71. Sadly even ACORN itself has been fooled

ACORN Reacts

In a press release, ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis says, that as “a result of the indefensible action of a handful of our employees,” the group will immediately stop accepting anyone into ACORN office for service programs, will conduct in-service training of staff, and begin an audit “to review all of the systems and processes called into question by the videos,” to be conducted by the group’s Independent Advisory Council.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/acorn-reacts.html

Perhaps with your keen insight of this whole matter, you can offer your services to ACORN.

:crazy:

[NJmaverick]

73. Acorn also say the tapes are misleading, doctored and edited

so what does that say about your half a story?

[madmom]

69. I asked this same question last night.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6555013&mesg_id=6559305

[NJmaverick]

79. Good for you! Everyone should be asking this question loudly and often