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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:55 AM Original message |
Socialist Airports for the Rich - this is seriously Fugged up |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. The 'small airport' subsidy is a HUGE rip off. UticaNY, JohnstownPA, Stafford, etc. are HUGELY |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. no doubt the asshats who use this airport arent paying any fucking taxes |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Did you read this? It's positively sickening. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. The entire article is an eye-opener |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
74. I don't really see how it's sickening |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. My friend is one of those 'asshats', and he's not rich |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 08:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Doubt if anyone who owns a Gulfstream V rides the bus to work. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. So what?! Gulfstream jets make up a tiny, tiny proportion of privately owned planes |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I'm quoting the Mayor of Stafford, who opposed the private airport subsidy |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. This sounds like more of a PA problem than a national one |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Okay, then suggest a better place to find revenues/cut outlays. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I don't. Flyers already pay a fairly decent amount inf uel taxes... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. 100 octane avgas - $3.69/gal at a field a few miles from here |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. ahem |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
82. Now that you've cleared that up, you've made another couple points that need airing |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I can't follow your points |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Thank you for bringing several points to my attention. AIP subsidies for one. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I still don't follow |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I think you're nit-picking a bit here. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. So now correcting gross inaccuracies is "nit-picking"? |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #82 |
95. I agree with you 100% |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
105. "Most people who own their own planes are either corporate execs or own their own companies." |
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Dr_Willie_Feelgood (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 06:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
83. I am suprised no one has suggested busting... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I'm not sure I can follow your analogy |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Wow. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. Well there's an opportunity to save the taxpayers some money. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. 15 fugging billion |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
48. compare that $$, which serves a literal few handfuls of people, to the federal |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. And the taxes from from the tickets of ordinary people |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. apples and oranges |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
6. Where are the teabaggers and their faux outrage over this? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. They haven't received any orders from any millionaires to be outraged yet. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
54. Yep, this. (nt) |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Read the comments. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. +1000 |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. lots of the teabagger leaders are private pilots... |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
76. Lots of Democrats are also private pilots |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. They are griping about it too, but only about Murtha's airport... |
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GodlyDemocrat (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
98. I think they are griping about it, but only after Obama became President |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
8. Ya know, I never used to hate rich people. |
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LeftHandPath (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
10. Plenty of money for this crap... and war... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'll bet the excuses are fabulous. "Former military pilots stay in practice and licensure" or simila |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
12. Sounds more like a capitalist bailout/giveaway to me. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
13. Isn't this is microcosm of how our government works...nt |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
14. when ritchie daley tore up meigs field, you would have thought he |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. They will always find excuses to provide massive subsidies |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. the children's hospital thing is waking up some people, i think. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
100. If Richie Daley wanted CMH to be built, it would be |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. close all the small airports across the country. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I have no objection to the existence of small airports. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. i know..i`m being sarcastic |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. yes, people are under the mistaken impression that 1$ = 1 VOTE |
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Dr_Willie_Feelgood (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
84. There is a good safety function for them as well |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
20. Socialism is egalitarian rule by the working class. What you've noted is capitalism at its finest. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Very good point |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
21. This is why OUR infrastrucure has been left to rot |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. 100% correct |
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jljamison (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. From a pilot |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Why should ordinary people's airline ticket taxes |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. They're not private airports, anyone can land there |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. no, "regular folks" don't fly planes. the upper middle to super-rich do. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Hogwash |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. According to a report at the end of 2006, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. "I started flying in 1996," said Jim Mokler, |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Once again you are simply regurgitating information you know little about |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Good post |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. The same can be said for any job that requires school or training |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. I'm a student pilot. My wife and I both work, have a mortgage and a 5 year old |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. $70K = higher than US median household or family income. |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I guess I should take a pay cut. |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
102. General aviation airports ARE "our" infrastructure. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
27. K&R n/t |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
28. time for a law revision... |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
32. Egegick Airport, Alaska, got 9,500,000 |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Did the drug planes land and not register? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
34. and the rich always claim they aren't using public services... |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. They're about to discuss this on GEM$NBC |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-17-09 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. As a general aviation pilot I could make the same argument about highways and privately owned cars |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. In truth, this is actually the airlines going after more of your money.... |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Ummm NO small airports are funded by taxes on Avgas. |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. True avgas tax also goes to that purpose, but it is miniscule in comparison |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. No you fail to understand that huge airports like Hartsfield and O'Hare |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. From my understanding it does not |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Here's the part you're missing |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Commercial is charter and airlines. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Ticket taxes don't come close to funding air carrier ops either |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Not to mention bonds... etc.. yeah yeah |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. The benefits are incalculable |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
42. Wealthcare, not healthcare slugs never cease to amaze. |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
43. My area recently had a dust-up over a tiffany airport. |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I wanna be rich! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
57. Not socialism. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
68. Ah yes, USAToday. Now there's a beacon of journalistic integrity |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Interesting |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Take a little time and read up on the AOPA web site |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
77. Vanity Fair has an excellent piece written by Tom Wolfe on the subject |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Will do |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Oooh, that's a great article at that link. Love me some Tom Wolfe! |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Yep that was very good |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
80. I'm not a pilot but did make my living out of general aviation for three years |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-19-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. It's not even in the same ballpark really |
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GodlyDemocrat (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
97. This is one failure of transportation spending as stimulus |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-20-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
99. Don't forget Murtha's airstrip |
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billyclem (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
103. For those in heavily populated areas |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
104. Most the airplanes that fly in and out of GA facilities are single engine |
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