Blackhatjack
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:05 AM
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A Corporation is not patriotic, loyal, does not serve in the military, etc. |
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Corporations are 'legal fictions' created to provide limited liability against suits for wrongdoing which might reach the capital assets held and deposited within accounts controlled by 'officers' of the corporate entity.
A corporation does not care, is not empathetic, does not think, does not exist except within the legal framework of the creator.
So it is illogical to say a 'corporation has the same 1st Amendment rights as individuals.'
Show me in the Constitution where corporations are mentioned -- not in there.
IF the SCOTUS allows this new interpretation then we will witness "judicial activism' that will change this country and its future forever. Because once the corporation millions find their way into the political system with no regulation, you won't see Congress pass legislation to reel them back in.
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:08 AM
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1. Right... and they can't vote either, or even register to vote |
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but they sure can buy a lot of influence.
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:27 AM
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can't get colonoscopies, mammograms, prostate exams, pap smears, ets. ERGO, they are not persons.
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:14 AM
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"was not endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights"... |
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Justice Ginsburg
Corporations have too much influence over our Political System now. Certify them as full persons and Katy bar the door.
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:14 AM
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isn't in the Constitution, either.
You're wrong in thinking that all our laws and regulations can be found in the Constitution. It's not so.
If the Supreme Court hadn't found a right to privacy in our Constitution, we would have no Roe v. Wade..............................
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Blackhatjack
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:23 AM
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4. There's a big difference between right of privacy and existence of corporations in the Constitution |
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Our Constitution fits on one page because the drafters intended it to be a flexible document with interpretation of its provisions to be presided over by the Judicial Branch.
True the SCOTUS found that the 'right of privacy' emanates from the Constitution without being spelled out. But there is no problem finding references to citizens and governmental entities in the Constitution, and corporations are not identified.
Congress and State's can legislate all they want, but if that legislation contravenes a provision in the US Constitution then it is invalid. That is why statutes are always strictly construed, unlike the Constitution.
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Tangerine LaBamba
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:33 AM
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And?
What's your point?
Corporation have "individual" status for a variety of reasons. If you were to read the history of how this status came about, I think you'd find it quite compelling.
I feel obligated, at this point, to confess that my highest grade in law school was in Corporate Taxation..........
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Blackhatjack
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Fri Sep-18-09 02:25 PM
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13. Interesting.... I also took that course and scored a good mark! |
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I was considering taxation, but several courses helped me eliminate tax law as a career.
Nothing about the history of tax law justifies the act of creating a corporations as 'emanating' from the Constitution.
Were you interested in discussing the history of tax law and corporations?
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:20 AM
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3. Not that I'm agreeing with the decision, if it goes that way, |
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But maybe now we can sue to force them too do that stuff. :evilgrin:
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:28 AM
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6. True - It Will Be Interesting To See The Equal Protection Suits |
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For example, I am sure someone will argue that corporations should pay the same tax rates as individuals rather than the lower rates they currently enjoy. Hey, maybe we can even have a Truman show with corporations adopting children.
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:47 AM
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8. Some corporations make money off wars . |
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:48 AM
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9. A corporation exists for one purpose only |
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To produce the highest possible return on the investments of its stockholders. Does that sound like a person to you?
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Fri Sep-18-09 12:53 AM
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how these righties always bitch and moan about "furner's" trying to influence America, but are all on board for a decision favoring corporate personhood. HELLO! And what are corporations made up of?
Shareholders. And what's that, not all shareholders are...AMERICAN?!!! That's right you morons, you're giving person hood to an entity that may or may not be composed of foreign citizenry. Gee, but I thought you hated foreign influence, other nationals and nations weighing monetary influence and other on the American political system? Oh wait, I'm sorry I forget. You're Republicans, duh! Capital trumps all and everything, including loyalty and patriotism, kind of relating back to what the OP said.
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Fri Sep-18-09 02:44 AM
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11. How right you are Blackhatjack |
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I suggested in an earlier post that corporations should be required to register for the selective service, for the draft.
I also think that they should be subject to the death penalty if they cause anyone's death following a fair and public trial of course.
And, of course, if you or I sue a corporation, we should be able to summon it to court. The corporation itself should answer our subpoena. It should not be allowed to just send its lawyers or its officers or board members or employees.
If the corporation is really a person for purposes of the Constitution, we should be able to cross-examine it. No stand-ins. No representatives. We should be able to call the corporate person itself in the flesh to answer our questions. If they are persons under the First Amendment they should be persons under all the amendments.
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Fri Sep-18-09 02:53 AM
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12. I think Orwell dealt with some of this, |
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but it's been so long. Something about redefining words.
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Fri Sep-18-09 10:02 PM
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14. If a corporation can be a person, then shouldn't a person be able to |
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be a corporation? With all the same tax credits, loopholes and ways to get out of paying our fair share?
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