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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:22 PM
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Politico: ACORN Suing Fox = Stupid
As bizarre as it seems, ACORN is threatening to sue Fox for reporting on these incriminating videotapes. Glenn Beck broke news with a new tape on Monday, and Sean Hannity might be doing the same shortly. Evidently, ACORN is accusing Fox of coordinating with the filmmakers, arguing that somehow these reports make Fox legally liable.

ACORN’s unavoidable problem, however, is that suing Fox News would give Fox — or any other media organization — the ultimate Christmas present: a legally enforceable way to compel ACORN to give up all its secrets.


The process by which a party to a lawsuit can force the opposing party to disclose information is called discovery, which can take the form of depositions, written questions, or demands for the production of documents. Under federal rules, a defendant can get court orders for discovery for any information relevant to its defense, except for privileged information such as attorney-client discussions.


If ACORN sues, it would have to sue alleging some variation of defamation or fraud. The problem is that for either allegation, truth is an absolute defense. Nothing could be more relevant to Fox establishing its defense of truth in the lawsuit than having access to ACORN’s office memos, emails, phone records, and bank statements. All of these would have a reasonable chance of providing evidence as to whether ACORN workers had knowledge of any of the topics seen on the videotapes.

In short, it would blow the doors off ACORN’s vault of secrets. Fox would learn which organizations collaborate with ACORN, how they spend taxpayer money and what ACORN’s leaders say to each other behind closed doors. It would be a treasure trove for a media organization.

Can they do this? Shouldn't all other evidence be suppressed from broadcast and confined only to what is germane to the case?

Then I read this:


It could also become a massive political scandal in Washington. Two of the individuals on ACORN’s eight-member advisory board include John Podesta (the chairman of President Obama’s transition team after the election) and Andrew Stern, the president of SEIU who is intimately involved with the White House on numerous issues, including the health care plan. Some Democratic elected and appointed officials also have close ties with ACORN.


While it’s certainly possible that none of these public officials have any knowledge of criminal activities by ACORN workers, it would be embarrassing to have their names associated with the investigation. Does ACORN really want to open Pandora’s box by suing a media company when these things would be at stake?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27270.html#ixzz0RU2CqFRx

Could ACORN be bluffing so as to get the dems off their cowardly, lazy butts to repeal their unlawful Bill of Attainder and rally to their defense?

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:23 PM
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1. Politico.com = Corrupt mouthpiece of the ruling elite. eom
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:23 PM
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2. +1
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:37 PM
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8. What she said... and then double it!!!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:00 PM
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11. Yup!
It may get something right now and then... but it's in the same category as the WSJ, WT, IBD, etc.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:28 PM
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3. (shrug) Another possibility: their lawyers might know the law better than you.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:35 PM
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5. I presume that when you say "you"
you're refer to the author of the article.

Personally, I think ACORN should sue with the tact that unless FOX can show that what they are portraying is policy and practice of ACORN that A) they have no business broadcasting their slander without heavy disclaimers and B) are liable for ALL lost funding...billions if need be (in which case THEN I would support congress totally defunding them, if you know what I mean).
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:42 PM
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9. Anybody who doesn't know law as well as lawyers, actually. The article author...
might be one of them.
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:32 PM
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4. ACORN's 'secrets'? Like their evil plans for world domination?

As an entity that receives grant money, I would assume they have some oversight already. I may be wrong.

But this article seems to think they have something to hide. I'll GUARANTEE Fox is more worried about this than ACORN.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:37 PM
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7. I heard on Beck's show...
...ACORN is going to steal all the world's puppies on Christmas Day and send them to Chinese prison camps to be indoctrinated in the ways of godless communism and sent back to subvert our children.

I don't know if it's true...but that's what I heard.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:37 PM
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6. If they KNOW that they are clean, then it is smart.
Toss a few of the kiddies. So what. There is a clear pattern of harrassment, and Acorn has police reports filed on these same characters, doing the same things years ago. They were thrown out. That, in conjunction with secret taping, and they might be toast.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:59 PM
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10. Concern noted. n/t
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:02 PM
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12. Discovery is MUTUAL. I'm sure that Fox has whole graveyards full of skeletons in their closet.
ACORN has nothing to fear compared to FauxNews.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:44 PM
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13. Does the defendant submit to discovery
....the same as the plaintiff?

I wasn't sure of that.

Can they seek ANYthing or only material germane to the case?
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