I got mine F.U.

[Klukie]

In my mind this is what it boils down to for many. I have argued and debated healthcare with many folks from the other side and I think I may be just beating my head against the wall because it really just comes down to this mentality. Even though they may be paying through the nose for a really crappy plan...they got theirs and dammit they earned it (unlike those who just want something for nothing). What they fail to realize is that they really did nothing to "earn it" ....they are quite simply the recipients of a system that should not even exist and they have no power or say. Unfortunately, because of their lacking empathy skills, they will have to learn the lesson the hard way and lose their jobs and consequently their crappy/financially unsustainable plans to realize that they are being gamed...and even then there will be those who will refuse to see the writing on the wall. I am very very frustrated and annoyed.

[pampango]

1. That certainly applies with health care. You also see it as a subtext (if not plainly spoken)

in many other areas.

[Klukie]

4. I agree...

A definite subtext in many other areas....or quite possibly what defines our thought processes altogether.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. Don't be,Your right they need to work on their empathy skills ,but we

have a chance to display one of their skills ,Apathy.

[Klukie]

15. So very true.....

Some conversations have left me reeling with sadness for the level of vitriol and willful ignorance. Thanks for pointing out the upshot, although I really believe that it is more worrisome to some to expose the cellulose on their thighs than it is to expose their apathy.

[CurtEastPoint]

3. I have seen/heard "Go get a job if you want inisurance!" Like...

that is simple to do. And why penalize someone who can't find a job?

[Habibi]

13. I'm seeing a lot of that, too,

in the local rag's online cesspool. The complacency is astounding.

[maryellen99]

5. they would let their family members go homeless

they don't care about anyone but themselves.

[Klukie]

6. It is funny that you say that

I was debating/discussing this with my brother who does have healthcare just the other day. I pointed out that we have siblings who have not prospered as much as he has that go without basic care and he didn't really want to discuss that aspect of it. Like i said...I am very frustrated and annoyed.

[wolfgangmo]

20. That's because like many AMerican's

Your brother hates himself, his family, his neighbors, the blacks, the browns, and everyone else.

But mostly himself. Until he learns to even like himself a bit he won't be able to even concieve of empathy.

[marmar]

7. Indeed......

....As Michael Moore said in "SiCKO"


"That's how it seems to be everywhere else. They take care of each other, no matter what their disagreements. You know, when we see a good idea from another country, we grab it. If they build a better car, we drive it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. So if they've come up with a better way to treat the sick, to teach their kids, to take care of their babies, to simply be good to each other, then what's our problem? Why can't we do that? They live in a world of "we," not "me." We'll never fix anything until we get that one basic thing right. And powerful forces hope that we never do."

[Klukie]

9. Great quote....

What a good man.

[Patiod]

18. They don't live a world of "we" - they live in a "me" world

They call liberals "the culture of victims" but they so frightened that someone might get something they don't have. I remember when someone had proposed funding midnight basketball leagues in the city to keep kids off the streets during the summer, and people were calling in from the rich suburbs whining that THEIR kids had to pay to join local sports leagues. Unbelievable.

[liberal N proud]

8. Many are too stupid for even that level of thinking

Many of those who are against health care don't have or are paying excessive prices. They either are too racist to allow a black man help them, too polarized politically to allow the Democrats to help them or they have just plain been brainwashed by the talking heads.


I debated this last week with a guy that works for himself and spends $1300/month for insurance for his family. Still he is against health care. He used Ann Colter, Pat Buchanan and several other right wing talking points in his arguments. I finally gave up, he wasn't going to accept anything a Democratically lead congress was going to put on the table.

[Klukie]

10. You are so right...

some of the common denominators in the potential reasons behind the unreasonableness are...Fear, Hatred, Apathy, Greed, Sloth....Boy I think I see a real pattern of darkness and negativity here.

[orpupilofnature57]

11. Which are the same reasons for Shrubs War .

[SPedigrees]

12. They think they "got theirs." Wait until they have a claim denied for

payment of expensive life saving treatment via the "pre-existing condition" scam.

Revealing to these people the thin ice they're skating on will do lots more than appealing to their sense of empathy. The fear factor works better, and they should be very afraid, insured or not.

[Klukie]

24. I think you are right about about the fear factor...

but I think they are battling multiple fears in their heads...the fear of someone taking something from them (which is absurd) and the fear of insurance companies. They can't fathom that a faceless profit driven entity is more capable of stealing something from them than the divorced single mother down the street who didn't "work hard enough". I think on some level they realize that the insurance company is not out for their interests but without a face they tend to remain blameless.

[undeterred]

14. I got mine, Fuck you.

I totally agree with you, I would just reverse the order to reflect that its ME ME ME ME ME first. If there ain't nuthin' left for YOU it suits me just fine.

[Klukie]

19. How very observant of you....

and so right...thanks..it has been changed.

[Hepburn]

16. That is the #1 argument I hear from those anti-heathcare reform assholes:

They are just wigged that they "earned" theirs and someone may get something without earning it.

It's like a fucking MORAL issue to those who have it and the Deadly Sin at discussion is sloth.

GMAFB...

[reggie the dog]

17. I got mine, fuck you.

That is the general life view professed by the Republicans and most people who vote for them.

[where my Peeps at]

21. No, no...what you don't understand is that they don't have it, either!

Some of them are probably in debt up to their eyeballs because of some healthcare issue which they couldn't afford and had to charge on a card. Red states are dirt poor and mostly White!

[mrcheerful]

22. I hear you on that one, it's always that way with those freaks of nature

They never ever look at how lucky they were to get jobs, education or anything else in their lives, they always claim its through their hard work and no one else works as hard as they work, yet you never see them doing anymore then the co-worker next to them. I knew a 4th generation GM worker that got in mainly because of family connections and at the time GM had a program that hired drop outs that year, this was 1977. In 1980 he was laid off, ended up on welfare who then forced him into a GED class, he complained about how it was unfair that welfare forced him back to school the whole 2 years he went to GED classes, it wasn't fair because he paid so much income tax when he worked for GM 3 years, so he was expecting to get more then the welfare queen who was 2nd generation welfare.

Never mind little facts like he spent 12 years on welfare or the facts that medicaid paid for the births of 3 of his 4 kids or the fact that welfare bought him a 3 bedroom house, ( that he lost due to back taxes he hadn't been paying when GM put hm back to work ), welfare was bad and needed term limits on the help they gave. In fact his opinion was welfare should be cut off and dismantled, it stopped people from pulling themselves up by their own boot straps like he pulled himself up ( wtf? ), he never worked in the 12 years he was on welfare and did nothing to get re-hired into GM, that was his unions doing, btw he is also anti union, go figure.

Thats just one example of that type of I got mine screw you thinking. Heres another, a female, she spent her early years after high school on welfare, medicaid paid for her cancer treatments. She met a guy who owned a business and married him, he then paid for her to take classes in his business field. She now claims to be a self made woman who worked hard to pull herself up from the gutter to get where she is and everyone on welfare needs to do the same thing she did to get off welfare. WTF? Marrying a business man was hard work and it was all her doing, like she planned on it from the start? That reeks of a gold digger tactic and not a self made plan, at least to me.

There are many of these types out there in dream 1950's america leave it to Beaver land, and they truely think they are the center of the universe and the sun revolves around them. You can't make a dent in their belief system nor will reality ever sink in that they are not special, even when they hit rock bottom will they leave their beliefs, its blame the other guy for their failures time. Such as the guy who owned a roofing business in the late 60's and 70's, he became a heavy alcoholic and drank the business into the ground. In his mind it was Jimmy Carters fault that his business went belly up. You can't fix stupid.

[blueworld]

23. Because the righteous are blessed by God!

That's my favorite part of the "whatever problems you have you brought them on yourself. Drop dead" ego trip indulged in by so many who lack empathy (and brain cells).

Hang in there! I b'leve we'll ultimately get a "decent" bill that will have to be tweaked next year in spite of the freaks. :hi: