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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:22 PM
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Fucking Camille Paglia: ‘Birthers’ Aren’t Racist, and They Have a Point
This broad is such a C--T - wtf is her purpose? :puke:

Camille Paglia, the lone Salon.com columnist who can count on her ramblings getting regular links from The Drudge Report, appeared on NPR’s “On Point” yesterday and made a spirited defense of the “birther” movement. The exchange came about 36 minutes in, after one caller to the show recounted his experiences at the 9/12 march on Washington. Paglia snapped back at him:

First of all, I reject the idea that the “birther” campaign is motivated by racism. There may be racism among it, but there are legitimate questions about the documentation of Obama’s birth certificate. I’m sorry, I’ve been following this closely from the start. To assume that all those signs about the birth controversy were motivated by racism, that is simply wrong.


Paglia has been on this beat before, writing in April that “there were ambiguities about Obama’s birth certificate that have never been satisfactorily resolved.” But this particular interview is compelling, especially for Paglia’s convoluted explanation that she despises victim politics but thinks “The Sopranos” was a bigoted portrayal of Italian-Americans.

http://washingtonindependent.com/59655/paglia-birthers-arent-racist-and-they-have-a-point
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:26 PM
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1. I have to admit
Paglia never clicked with me.

Every time I tried to listen to her I felt like that she was unleashing a torrent of unrecognizable gobbledygook.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:27 PM
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2. yeah, it's not victimhood until it happens to her, personally
How many times have we run into idiots who are totally bereft of both insight and empathy? That's poor Camille.

Seriously, Paglia's 15 minutes of fame were over many years ago. Why Salon continues to publish her ravings is a mystery to me.

It's one reason I never bothered subscribing.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:39 PM
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6. Molly Ivins had her pegged back in '91.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:56 PM
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10. yep. good read. nt
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:07 AM
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14. This is fabulous!!!!!! I never read this before.
God, I miss Molly Ivins.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:10 AM
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15. "What we have here, fellow citizens, is a crassly egocentric, raving twit."
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:11 AM
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16. "There is one area in which I think Paglia and I would agree
that politically correct feminism has produced a noticeable inequity.
Nowadays, when a woman behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable
fashion, we say, ``Poor dear, it's probably PMS.'' Whereas, if a man
behaves in a hysterical and disagreeable fashion, we say, ``What an
asshole.'' Let me leap to correct this unfairness by saying of Paglia,
Sheesh, what an asshole."

:rofl:
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:40 AM
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18. I had to read that chicks garbage for two semesters in university
I am still traumatized,
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:22 AM
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20. ``And who the hell might she be?'' - HAHAHAAHAAA!! That's what I said!
:rofl:
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:28 PM
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3. She's just wrong
Oh, well, to bad for her.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:29 PM
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4. Who?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:32 PM
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5. Oh good grief.
Of course Obama's BC controversy has been satisfactorily resolved. He's a citizen because the State of Hawaii says he is. Hawaii isn't in the business of issuing fraudulent BCs.

Wishing does not make it real. Saying something over and over again does not make it true. Voice your conspiracy concerns as often as you want but it still won't make them true.
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busybl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:41 PM
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7. yeah, on the top of their head next to the hole.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:43 PM
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8. Poor fool. Someone forgot to tell her.
REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii; "Obama's birth certificate genuine"
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/6088997.html

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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:52 PM
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9. She's the obnoxious student
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 11:53 PM by lolly
Her role in life seems to be that of the perpetual obnoxious student--you know, the one who was bright but not intelligent. The one who thought it was terribly clever to argue against everything the teacher said, not because there was anything wrong with what the teacher was saying, but because she thought it made her look brilliant. And every time she raised her hand, the other students dropped their pencils, rolled their eyes, and either took a quick nap or started passing notes, because they knew the next 15-20 minutes were going to be wasted with ill-informed, sophistic "arguments" from the class irritant.
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Wounded Bear Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:57 PM
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11. When you can't accept reality....
Nothing is ever "satisfactorily resolved."

:shrug:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:01 AM
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12. Paglia is about as endearing as Ayn Rand
n/t
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:04 AM
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13. read post above of molly ivans discussing paglia. referenced connection to ayn rand
Tracing Paglia's intellectual ancestry is a telling exercise; she's
the lineal descendant of Ayn Rand, who in turn was a student of
William Graham Sumner, one of the early American sociologists and an
enormously successful popularzier of social Darwinism. Sumner was in
turn a disciple of Herbert Spencer, that splendid nineteenth-century
kook. Because Paglia reasserts ideas so ingrained in our thinking, she
has become popular by reaffirming common prejudices.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:28 AM
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17. Reading it now
Good old Molly. I guess us feisty Texas gals tend to think alike. :)
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:19 AM
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19. attention
whore.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:58 AM
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21. Why pick on Camille? Aside from being a nutball and a piece of shit, she's OK.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:01 AM
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22. There are people on DU who agree with her.
So... yeah.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:04 AM
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23. aren't you a citizen if one parent is a citizen?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:33 AM
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24. OK, I looked it up and Paglia should know better--it took about a minute to find the definition
that made it clear it doesn't matter where Obama was born so long as one parent was an American citizen.


Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html">STATE DEPT


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham">His mother lived in the United States the whole time until his birth,
so even if he was born in Mongolia in a yurt, he would be a United States citizen.

This is the first time I've spent even a second researching this issue, and I managed to find that the whole birther argument is moot.

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