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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:43 PM
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Rigid views of US religious right toward sexual behavior are being noticed worldwide.
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 11:52 PM by madfloridian
In a write-up from News 24 quoting an article with a dateline from Paris....they point out that our religious right groups oppose the new UN guidelines..."International Guidelines on Sexual Education intended for discussion among experts in the coming months before a final version is sent to national authorities."

Actually they are quite sensible, but the Concerned Women of America are jumping all over the parts about birth control and masturbation.

The guidelines are meant as a "global template" of ideas to help young people make safe and responsible sexual choices, avoid sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancy and escape prostitution or other abuses. But one section of the draft in particular appears to have caught the eye of American headline writers. "UN report advocates teaching masturbation to five-year-olds," ran one story on the Fox News website.

The Fox report and many more like it from mainly right-wing US media and internet outlets, focused on the Unesco report's suggested syllabus for school children aged between five and eight years old.

US says UN promoting masturbation.


Here is what the "suggested" program states...certainly not mandated.

This states: "It is natural to explore and touch parts of one's own body. Bodies can feel good when touched. Touching and rubbing one's genitals is called masturbating. Some people masturbate and some do not.

"Masturbation is not harmful, but should be done in private," it adds.


By the age of nine, children following the programme will learn what their local laws on abortion are and that "legal abortion performed under sterile conditions by medically trained personnel is safe.


Common sense, clear, not mandated. But according to right wing groups here not even up for discussion.

Unesco reports that "American authors have received e-mail threats since the draft's publication, according to UN officials."

"Excluding parents from the process keeps them from being aware of how frequently 'sexuality education' indoctrinates against traditional values," complains Janice Shaw Crouse, writing for the American Thinker. Crouse, who works for the Concerned Women of America conservative Christian pressure group, accuses Unesco of seeking to "establish a bureaucracy to teach masturbation and contraception".


This is just plain embarrassing.

Trouble is these groups that oppose abortion and birth control are well-funded and powerful. They have an organized way of getting their messages out. They are formidable opponents.

So formidable in fact that often our party will decide it is easier not to fight them so hard and to let women's rights become expendable.

Nineteen House members sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi stating that they will not vote for health care reform legislation “unless it explicitly excludes abortion funding from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan.”

"We believe that a government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan, should not be used to fund abortion.

Furthermore, we want to ensure that the Health Benefits Advisory Committee cannot recommend abortion services be included under covered benefits or as part of a benefits package. Without an explicit exclusion, abortion could be included in a government subsidized health care plan under general health care. The health care reform package produced by Congress will be landmark, and with legislation as important as this, abortion must be addressed clearly in the bill text.


We know that measures to ensure birth control is accessible for women are not priorities right now. Even though preventing women from having contraception available is a fringe position...there does not appear to be a strong stance in our party about it.

We should be pointing out that the leading candidate for governor in Florida supported an amendment that would have banned birth control.

McCollum, frontrunner GOP candidate for governor, took no stand last week when asked about the "personhood" question that anti-abortion activists are trying to place on Florida's ballot. The proposed amendment to the state Constitution would establish a human being's "personhood" at the start of biological development, which its sponsors define as fertilization.

That would outlaw abortion and, critics fear, might also lead to bans on oral contraceptives and intrauterine devices, because they can prevent a fertilized egg from developing,

...."But history draws a connection between McCollum and the "personhood" initiative, since he co-sponsored similar legislation in Congress in 1988. Then-U.S. Rep. McCollum signed on to California Rep. Bob Dornan's House Joint Resolution 529, which would have assigned to "preborn" persons the protections of the Fifth, Thirteenth and Fourteenth amendments governing rights to due process, citizenship and freedom from slavery.


From the first link to News 24...things are so bad that the panel who formulated the sex education guidelines...sensible ones, is having to be defensive against our religious right.

"This work was carried out at the request of member states and UN organisations, and consists of putting on the table a compilation of what is known about the subject, without taboos," she said.

"All options are discussed, from abstinence to abortion... each government will make of it what it likes, adapt it to different cultural contexts."


In my opinion this kind of mindset by our religious extremists demands our Democrats get out in front on the issue and quickly.


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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:46 PM
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1. Yes, the American Talibornagains are viewed with much disbelief and
amazement around the globe.


"THIS is what they call a great modern nation???!" :wow:
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:49 PM
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2. I would LOVE to see a Department of Masturbation created. n/t
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stuball111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:02 AM
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3. Would they appoint a Czar?
:rofl: Minister in charge of discharge?
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:31 AM
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4. Now, that's funny
I don't care who you are...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:54 AM
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5. It's like we have let them control the agenda on women and gays...
and sex education.

We might make a move now and then, but no Democrat goes on TV and speaks out strongly on the topic.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:54 AM
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6. I think David Vitter, R, LA should propose legislation to
teach High Schoolers about diaper fetishes, and Craig, R, ID should propose legislation to teach kids about homosexual trysts in airport bathroom stalls.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:32 AM
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12. Don't forget his favourite guest speaker,
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:03 AM
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7. k i c k
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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:08 AM
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8. It's biology
fer chrissakes. I have never understood why these people find the natural function of the human body so objectionable.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 02:08 PM
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16. I just read this great post at Salon about how Hannity covered it...
http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2009/09/01/aubrey/index.html

"It's unclear why, exactly, the Playboy cover model was deemed the appropriate talking head for a debate on the United Nations' recent recommendation for a global sex education plan -- especially when you consider that her opponents were seasoned political commentators, USA Today columnist Bob Beckel and Erick Erickson of RedState.com. Presumably, the thinking was either that a Playboy model like herself must be an expert on sex or that her airheaded comments would provide some levity.

..."The result, however, was that she made her interlocutors look like pre-pubescent boys -- particularly when conversation turned to the recommendation that 5-year-olds learn what masturbation is. Predictable outrage ensued, but "Aubrey-licious," as she calls herself, cut in with her signature sass: "You boys never wondered what you were doing and wished to be educated about it earlier than you were, are you going to sit up there and tell me that?" Later, she responded incredulously to one of her cohorts: "How is education robbing a child of his innocence?"

Video clip at the link.

Looks like UNFPA is already distancing from the plan to teach reality.

http://www.lifenews.com/int1314.html
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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:45 AM
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41. That's great!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:48 AM
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9. It's a relative minority of the population that is antedeluvian.
But they seem to make the most noise.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:15 AM
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10. kick
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:31 AM
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11. Why not teach "making love" instead of just the, *cough*, 'biological basics'(tm)?
Then teen pregnancies might go down, disease rates would go down, infidelity would go down...

It can't possibly be THAT difficult a thing to do?!
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:31 AM
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13. 'making love' is a concept - facts and actuality are better
nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:38 PM
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22. By all means teach both -- we need more than the "keyhole" approach . . .
Necking/petting is a great thing!

Not to mention at least 20 other things!

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:06 AM
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14. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:07 PM
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15. Concerned Women of America's Wendy Wright on why Christians must vote.
This is the group mentioned in the article about the UN.

This is from last September. This is Wendy Wright who is a spokeswoman often seen on TV trying to convince everyone that the rest of us are out to get them...the few the real Christians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bd3dPhOAsU

"Concerned Women for America's Wendy Wright warns what will happen if Christians don't vote in November."

The tone of superiority in her voice is just overwhelming.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:39 PM
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23. I worry more about them helping GOP steal votes/elections . . . . . !
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 07:40 PM by defendandprotect
What wouldn't the Fundi's do for the GOP?

And for leaders like W obviously sent by their "god"?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 03:26 PM
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17. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 06:41 PM
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18. Great post at RH Reality...."Masturbation as Natural as Breathing....Let's Ban That, Too"
Masturbation as Natural as Breathing....Let's Ban That, Too

Shades of Jocelyn Elders: Far right has its knickers in a twist on masturbation as part of sex ed curriculum

The far right continues to use the "sex boogeyman" as a scare tactic to undermine comprehensive sex ed, here and abroad.

Agence-France Press reports that guidelines originally drafted by the UN cultural organisation Unesco will promote.....(gasp!)....masturbation.

First of all, as a mother of two, I can tell you that children begin touching their bodies, including their genitalia, when they are infants. It is natural and there is nothing wrong with it. The thing that is wrong is the horrified reaction of adults to this natural behavior. Second, if we want teens to delay sexual activity as long as possible, then masturbation is a good tool to promote that. Finally, making masturbation dirty makes a natural act dirty, and can lead to lifelong sexual hangups. No matter whether you are "abstinent until marriage" or not, there is nothing wrong with masturbation.

Tell that to the far right. (I know none of these folks masturbates......).


Yay...thanks for Jodi Jacobson for that post.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:43 PM
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25. Obviously, right wing doesn't masturbate . . . !!!!
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:02 PM
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29. And it shows! n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:13 PM
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32. Cute . . . !!! I wonder if they let anyone else touch their bodies for them???
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 08:13 PM by defendandprotect
:evilgrin:
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evenso Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 06:46 PM
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19. They are a small but dangerous minority - and they make US look like fools
We must not let people that take a Biblical worldview make our domestic and foreign policy (especially not our foreign policy).
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:02 PM
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20. You are right. But our side is not fighting back that much.
They are small and vocal and well-organized. We have given in to them too much.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:48 PM
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28. Too many Democrats are also playing the "god-game" . . . how many in religious groups in Congress?

That's why we have Separation of Church & State . . .

Founders understood that it's easy enough to challenge what humans say --

Harder to challenge a "god" who tells you that males are SUPERIOR ....

that's why patriarchy invented him!

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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:04 PM
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30. It's also why Article 6 of the Constitution was written.
There shall be no religious test required as a qualification for public office or trust.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:12 PM
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31. Right . . . meanwhile we're funding faith based organizations . .
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:44 PM
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26. They are the GOPs "dangerous minority" and GOP and right wing funding them . . .
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:28 PM
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21. Essential for GOP/partriarchy to continue to control human sexuality. . .and push fear buttons--!!
This is another reason they'd like to destroy UN --

Keeping children dumb about human sexuality also makes it easier for

those with evil intentions to abuse them -- like religious officials, for instance!!!

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:40 PM
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24. "establish a bureaucracy to teach masturbation" ????????
LOL !....Who has to be taught?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:47 PM
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27. Agreed. Primates like to play with their genitals.
This is observable fact. It starts at an early age, and continues until someone makes us stop, or at least confine it to private times and places.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:58 PM
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34. Not just primates
I used to have a cat that would rub against my leg and get a little kitty-boner. I kid you not. I don't think that his neutering was done correctly. Then again, I did get him from a guy who had four kids.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:57 PM
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33. We need a Department of Promiscuity
Put Mark Sanford in charge of it!
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:01 PM
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35. nine seems a tad young
to be teaching kids about abortion. And if one is opposed to abortion on religous or ethical grounds, I can understand why the prospect would be upsetting.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:25 PM
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38. And it is a bit young for the religious right to be indoctrinating them....
with those little dolls and pictures of cut up babies.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:10 PM
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36. Blow Jobs
made the wingnuts impeach Clinton. They claimed no one knew about blow jobs until Clinton made them a national scandal.
We are the laughing stock of the Universe thanks to Fox News, hate radio and the Republican Party.
In no mother country do the mentally ill wield so much influence.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:14 PM
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37. Secularists must be willing to use force to exclude the far-right from the political process...
I think Chumbawamba's Anti-Nazi Song and Enough is Enough provide excellent advice, as do a number of songs by Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down...
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:48 AM
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39. No wonder
our founding fathers, insisted on the separation of church and
state. What if our majority religion were VooDoo? This is
insanity. These RW nuts should have no say in this bill. These
things have to be objective. If they want it to be subjective,
fine, they have the right, in their own life (not mine) to
behave how they wish, as it does not infringe on the rights of
others.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:58 AM
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40. Puritanism -- The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy
H.L. Mencken
Chrestomathy (1949)
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