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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 09:59 AM
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Video: Old, cheap drug shows great promise in shrinking cancer turmors
Only one problem, it's anti-cancer properties have only been tested so far in lab rats. It's an old drug, not originally developed to treat cancer, and it can no longer be patented. That's the fly in the ointment, because it's not patentable, that creates problems for the medical researchers trying to get funding to conduct the necessary human trials to prove its effectiveness and safety as a cancer treatment for humans. Most drug trials are funded by the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make a profit off of patenting a new drug and reaping some enormous profits from their investment.


http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=7422
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:01 AM
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1. And there you have it, cancer is a money maker...n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:04 AM
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2. I would like my tax money to go to something like this.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:09 AM
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4. That would be socialism. Stop hating America. nt
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:09 AM
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3. Apparently it's gone through safety testing in the past,
so couldn't that part be skipped?

In fact, does it really have to show that it meets strict FDA effectiveness standards? If testing on humans ends up showing strong evidence of effectiveness, but doesn't completely come up to FDA standards, couldn't Doctors then simply prescribe it off label?
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:10 AM
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6. Safety testing is for a specific purpose
If there is a new purpose, new tests have to be done.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:09 AM
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5. Can't the NIH or CDC or FDA or someone give them a grant?
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:11 AM
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7. the money isn't in the cure, but the treatment.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:12 AM
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8. some points from the report
The name of the drug is Dichloroacetic Acid (DCA) and, as the report says, it can treat cancer at pennies a dose.

The video showed rats and how it had shrunk tumors in a matter of weeks with no side effects.

It triggers cancer cells to commit suicide.

The doctor is contacting universities in Canada and the U.S. for continued funding for research but as the reporter noted, there have been two other "orphan" drugs (drugs that no one can make a profit on) that have gone by the wayside.

Clearly, a failing of capitalism. We need a hybrid--a nonprofit "competitor" to the drug companies.


Cher


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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:01 PM
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19. I learned something interesting about Canada and cancer drugs. It seems
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 01:01 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
that the more expensive drugs are not covered under their health care and has to be purchased separately, or included in a drug insurance plan. I discovered that from a friend of mine whose girlfriend just successfully undergone treatment for breast cancer. The national healthcare is also paying for reconstruction.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:15 AM
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9. govt research maybe?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:20 AM
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11. Fascism is a business relationship between government an buisness... sorry it wont happen in the USA
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:22 AM
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13. that's not what I meant at all
Edited on Sun Sep-20-09 10:23 AM by fascisthunter
and if ya read my many other posts you'd know I was against fascism not for it.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:17 AM
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17. you said.."govt research maybe?", i said the Government is the Problem, because of be'n owned by
capitalists.. they bribe the government not to do anything so they can Capitalize on peoples Suffering.. because of a Fascist Relationship called Capitalism.. Fascism = Capitalism. until we end Corporate Bribes to elected politicians we live under Fascism
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:17 AM
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10. some doctors ARE using it 'off label'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetic_acid


Some doctors are treating cancer using DCA "off-label",<18><19> which generates controversy in some circles.<18> The off-label use of prescription drugs is common practice for cancer patients at the most prestigious medical institutions in the world, especially those diagnosed with cancers designated as orphan diseases, for which very few government-approved therapies are available. For example, to treat the grade IV brain cancer called glioblastoma, UCLA Neuro-oncology uses some 50 different drugs, only 4 of which are currently FDA-approved to treat glioblastoma.<20> Oral DCA, which has been safely used to treat lactic acidosis for more than 30 years in humans<14> (but see above), is currently in human clinical trials for glioblastoma.<21>
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:21 AM
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12. Wikipedia has a nice writeup on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetate

It points out that Dichloroacetate does have side effects and may be a mixed blessing.

IMHO, considering the side effects of some other cancer treatments, and the possibility that DCA's effects may be reduced with thiamine supplementation, these effects might be acceptable.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:24 AM
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14. If the government handed this out for free, would tea-baggers take it to cure their cancer?
Wouldn't it be ironic?
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 10:28 AM
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15. If the pharma and HMO's were not in cahoots, HMO's would develop it, to limit their payouts.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:03 AM
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16. That's an interesting thought.
Why aren't health insurance companies funding certain medical research? Things like this drug might help their bottom line.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:47 AM
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18. And the really disgusting thing is, most of our research that leads anywhere
is gov funded for university research. Most NEW drugs are just retasked.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 01:37 PM
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20. This is why even single-payer health insurance will not be enough
Until we take ALL the profit out of treating the sick, we'll continue to put corporate health ahead of human health.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:00 PM
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21. kick
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:06 PM
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22. I suspect it won't be cheap for long. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 05:12 PM
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23. Couple of problems with this conspiracy.
1. DCA is in trials for use as a cancer drug for humans.

2. DCA is patentable for treatment of cancer, and has been.
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