Obama on "This Week"- "My critics would say that THE plan is just THE WRONG ONE" / Hey- he's talking

[grahamhgreen]

about US.

The progressives! The single payer advocates! (IMHO)


Keep the pressure on everyone - deep in his psyche he KNOWS "THE PLAN IS JUST THE WRONG ONE"!

At least, I haven't heard that criticism - that it's the wrong plan - coming from anywhere else, the right wants no plan. Centrists want pay or punish crapsurance.

And, BTW, we can assume that 'THE' plan is the Baucus Boondoggle since that is the one they were discussing.

KEEP THE PRESSURE ON FOR SINGLE PAYER (AND, OK, THE PUBLIC OPTION).

[jgraz]

1. And remember, the "public option" he refers to is neither public nor an option

If you already have insurance, you will not be able to buy into the public health plan no matter how badly you're currently being treated. As Obama himself has said, the so-called "public option" has been engineered to only allow around 5% of the public to participate.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Health Reform is not simply about the PO.....so when you say,

"you will not be able to buy into the public health plan no matter how badly you're currently being treated.".....you are omitting a few reforms that are part of the deal:

The Outlawing of Pre-existing conditions as a predicate for Private ins. Cos not to cover claims-
The Outlawing of caps set by private Ins. Co.s on patient services.
The lowering of Insurance premiums due the competition by the PO and an Ins. Exchange.

So how badly those with Private Insurance are treated by Insurance companies AFTER reforms are instituted will be the marker as to whether Health Reform worked.....

and as Obama stated clearly, it has to be a good bill, because it will have his name on it, and it will not be long before we understand whether he was successful in reforming the health insurance industry or not.

This President understands that the buck stops with him,
and if things turn out as you describe,
then he will not have succeeded...
and I don't believe that this President is intending to fail,
even if you believe that this is so.

In otherwords, your argument is disingenious and intellectually dishonest.

[grahamhgreen]

5. You are assuming his goal is to bring real health reform and not to enrich private insurance corp's.

I am not convinced that is his goal.

Let's look at one of your issues - "The Outlawing of Pre-existing conditions" -

The problem with this is that there is no cap on how much they can charge if you do have a pre-existing condition, therefore effectively allowing them to charge you so much money that you can not purchase the insurance. In effect, making this a moot provision. 'Clever' lawyer stuff.

The way to solve all of these various issue is NOT BY ADDING MORE COMPLEXITIES TO A CRAPSURANCE BILL, but by passing HR676 single payer, or Ted Kennedy's bill,

or SIMPLY BY ALLOWING ALL OF US, REGARDLESS OF AGE, TO BUY INTO MEDICARE/AID.

The Baucus boondoggle crapsurance bill is bull, IMHO.

[FrenchieCat]

6. Then you are operating on bad faith and are biased against

the Democratic President.

The comment I responded to wasn't one where I was to choose between two bills....
which is where you have just moved the goal post to.

Your lack of trust in this President is your problem...and your described intent
as to what this President will do on the subject of Health Care is your cynical assessment,
but it is not a fact; and in fact, to date is not supported by any real evidence.

[grahamhgreen]

13. True, he has lost my trust due to my assessment of his choices and actions. But he still has my ear

The Baucus Boondoggle is a great gift to big insurance, IMHO.

It has nothing to do with reform and is instead the exact opposite, IMHO.

That the president is now presenting this plan as "the plan", makes me think that he my have sold out, sorry.

[emulatorloo]

14. Baucus Bill is a joke, it will not move forward as is.

There are 4 or 5 bills floating around congress. In no way is Obama presenting Baucus's bill as "the plan"/

[jgraz]

7. Which is really what this so-called "public option" is about.

When you have over 70% of the public in favor of a "public option", you really can't get away with passing healthcare reform that doesn't include something to which the words "public option" can be loosely applied.

The problem you solve by adding more complexities to the bill is that you can fool more people into thinking you're enacting real reform. What's discouraging is how well that seems to be working on this board.

[inna]

9. exactly.

also, it's not by accident that this sad, cruel joke of an insurance bailout does not even go into effect until 2013.

it's a collossal sellout as far as i can tell, and by the time most people realize what has been done, it will be too late.


:(

[inna]

10. thank you for your post. don't pay attention to personal attacks.

K&R, against all odds! :fistbump: :kick:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. Most noticeably, in regard to pre-existing conditions, he said he would not sign a bill, drawing a

line in the sand. Yet he never drew a line for a public option.

As it is, I would qualify for the public option which is being billed as Government Run INSURANCE...but what will be covered under it and how high a deductible?

I personally think we're being sold down the river for big juicy corporate donations. I have not seen/heard anything from Obama that makes me, the "left" see otherwise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6421160

MOYERS: "The Democratic Party has become like the Republican Party-- deeply influenced by corporate money. I think Rahm Emanuel, who's a clever politician, understands that the money for Obama's re-election will come primarily from the health industry, the drug industry and Wall Street. He is a corporate Democrat who is determined that there won't be something in this legislation-- if we get it-- that will turn off those powerful interests..."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3f8_1251526869

[inna]

8. actually, the only thing he drew a line in the sand about was

not adding a dime to deficit.


deficit spending is for important things only, as we well know (such as wars, trillions to financial elites, taxcuts to the rich that are still not expired, etc.) :crazy:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. So Baucus gave him the bill he wanted........

[grahamhgreen]

12. I think he also said there MUST be an "Individual Mandate" aka Pay or Punish Crapsurance.

An individual mandate without a public non-profit plan is a tax that is paid to a private corporation - or a fine that gives you nothing. Ugh.

[Jeep789]

4. I'm sorry Obama but isn't this the Hillary Plan?

I recall voting for you over Hillary because of her mandatory insurance plan. I'm beginning to feel duped by you regarding health care. This plan stinks.