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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:43 AM
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We have had the biggest Financial Fraud in the history in the world
The only person sitting in jail right now is Bernie Madoff.

I don't see any indictments for the heads of the Financial Firms that caused it.

What the fuck is going on with the rule of law in this country or are we looking forward on this crime as well.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:44 AM
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1. They were too busy putting Martha Stewart in jail. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:46 AM
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2. and investigating Spitzer for Prostitution nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:52 AM
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4. Yeah. Thank Dog we got those two off the streets! nt
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:54 AM
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5. and investigating Janet Jackson for Boob Revealage nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:14 AM
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9. Her girls were certainly a menace that needed to be contained. nt
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:46 AM
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3. k&r. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:55 AM
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6. These days, when crooks want to steal they hire lobbyists to write the laws.
Then, to reward the helpful legislators, repay them in their post-governmnet careers with cushy jobs in the private sector.

Ask Phil and Wendy Gramm, they did very well for -- and at -- UBS and ENRON.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:01 AM
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7. More disturbing is that NOTHING has been done to keep
it from happening again.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:28 AM
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10. +1 n/t
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:02 AM
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8. If you lobby to make your criminal behavior legal before you do it, you can't be indicted nt
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:36 AM
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11. "the Rule of Law"
:rofl:

Sorry, but I'm cynical.

Do you really expect any further indictments? :shrug:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:57 AM
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12. No, I'm cynical too
Why I posted this.

Surprised I haven't been attacked ruthlessly by the cheer leaders.
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ctaylors6 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:07 AM
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13. Justice has several investigations, Bear Stearns hedge fund managers arrested, AIG grand jury about
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 09:12 AM by ctaylors6
Former Bear Stearns managers Matthew Tannin and Ralph Cioffi were arrested, the first executives to face criminal charges in the wake of the subprime market debacle. They were indicted and taken into custody in June.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/bear-stearns-executives-r_n_107996.html
link to report of arrests: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZjI.EgNDuFQ

AIG: Federal prosecutors, capping an 18-month investigation, are preparing to impanel a grand jury in Brooklyn, N.Y., to consider an indictment of a former senior American International Group Inc. executive.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125262174627001209.html

Investigations like these can take quite a bit of time. If you search though you can find news on these and other investigations

Edited to add: if you want to read a good account of Tannin and Cioffi, the book House of Cards by William Cohan is pretty good.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:47 AM
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14. Thanks for the links
This is the ultimate test of the Justice System on White Collar Crime. NEW ways to deal with White Collar Crime involve treating it as criminal, rather than civil.

This is from one of the Huff Po links you listed:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/75720.html

From the article:

..."Americans are angry because the suffering on Main Street is a spillover from the excessive risk taking and lavish compensation of executives who invested on behalf of the ultra-wealthy. Investors seeking outsized "alpha" returns turned to Wall Street, both seeking to make a short-term killing even if doing so eventually brought the near collapse of the financial system.

President Barack Obama alluded to this on Sept. 14 in a New York speech to commemorate the anniversary of the collapse of investment bank Lehman Brothers, which sent off a global financial panic.

"We will not go back to the days of reckless behavior and unchecked excess at the heart of this crisis, where too many were motivated only by the appetite for quick kills and bloated bonuses," Obama said, promising new rules. "Those on Wall Street cannot resume taking risks without regard for consequences."

There are persistent but unconfirmed reports that the FBI and grand juries are looking at the e-mails of executives of failed institutions such as Bear Stearns, which pioneered the process of pooling sub-prime loans for sale to investors, and Lehman Brothers, which was a leader in these toxic products when it collapsed.

Records from AIG, which the Federal Reserve saved from collapse on Sept. 17, 2008, are also thought to be under review. The FBI reportedly is also looking at rating agencies Fitch, Moody's and Standard & Poor's to determine if they knowingly gave pools of sub-prime mortgages AAA investment-grade ratings, the best possible, despite evidence to the contrary.

Carter, the FBI spokesman, declined comment on ongoing investigations.

The lack of any prosecution to date doesn't mean authorities aren't investigating, added Ian McCaleb, a spokesman for the Department of Justice.

"There are ongoing cases. But from a prosecution standpoint, it takes a significant amount of time to develop these things. Most financial fraud cases are very complex and it could take a while to unravel the specifics of each case," he said. "I would characterize financial fraud as one of our top priorities."

Another possibility is that a new politically appointed Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission could turn up something that leads to prosecution. The 10-member panel, created by Congress this month, began probing the origins of the crisis, has subpoena power and could compel testimony. This could, however, lead to conflicts with ongoing legal investigations.

Another reason that there've been no arrests of the perpetrators of the financial meltdown is that agencies such as the SEC, which regulates trading in stocks and bonds, and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which oversees the trading of contracts for future delivery of energy and farm products, lack powers of criminal prosecution.

They can bring civil charges that result in fines or pass information to federal prosecutors or the FBI, which under the Bush administration was reorganized to focus less on white-collar crime and more on national security matters and crimes against children.

Legislation introduced in the House and Senate would make it easier for the CFTC to prosecute, especially allegations of market manipulation. Measures would lower the current high threshold for determining manipulation. In 35 years, the agency has won only a single manipulation case, and it's under appeal. The bills also would give commodities regulators powers to bring criminal cases.

"Folks who do the crime shouldn't just pay a fine, but do the time," said Bart Chilton, a CFTC commissioner who's championed the need for prosecutorial powers.

Because it saves time and money, regulators traditionally have negotiated settlements with bad actors, and fines often amount to a business cost.

That, too, may be changing, however. The SEC on Sept. 14 was hit with a stinging judicial rebuke for its half-hearted efforts to punish Bank of America for alleged disclosure failures in the government-brokered purchase of investment bank Merrill Lynch.

U.S. District Judge Jed Rakoff tossed out a $33 million settlement between the SEC and Bank of America, effectively calling it a fig leaf. The agency, he said, looked as if it was enforcing the law while the bank and its CEO, Kenneth Lewis, got away with a slap on the wrist.

"It is not fair, first and foremost, because it does not comport with the most elementary notions of justice and morality, in that it proposes that the shareholders who were the victims of the bank's alleged misconduct now pay the penalty for that misconduct," Rakoff wrote in a scathing 12-page opinion that ordered the complaint to proceed to trial."
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:51 AM
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15. Allentown Jake, you are a big union guy, am I correct?
I ask, because it will lead to a question I would like to ask you if you are the poster I am thinking of.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:35 AM
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16. I support Unions
but I'm not a member of one.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:38 AM
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17. Still waiting for that comprehensive new reform bill.
:shrug:
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 11:43 AM
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18. History repeats:
"The law deals harshly
with man or woman. Who
steals a goose from off
the common.
But, lets the greater felon loose.
Who steals the common from the goose."
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 01:14 PM
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19. You can buy all the "justice" you need in the USA
The legal system is based on a) the ability afford representation and b) the amount you have to
afford that representation. The more money, the better your shot.

The enforcement of the legal system, the justice system, is based on how much money and influence
that you have. If you're part of a group that's legally bribed almost all elected officials, that
impacts justice. You're not likely to get indicted, unless you're a high profile perp that needs
to be one of the occasional sacrifices to supposedly appease the public. Few are fooled, it's just
The Money Party attempt to construct a believable narrative.

It's disgusting.
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