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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:01 PM
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time to fire mcchrystal....if a military commander connot control his message he should be gone
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 03:02 PM by spanone
the President IS the Commander in Chief

leaks at this level do not 'just happen'
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:02 PM
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1. Absolutely agree,
McCheney needs to be removed.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:44 PM
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15. The original document had information that would have put
soldiers at risk. The media that released the story negotiated with the Pentagon on editing these items
from the published story. If McCrystal were indeed responsible, he should be court martialled at the very least.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:03 PM
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2. Yep.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:06 PM
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3. so the general has taken his story directly to the people? this is bullshit
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 03:09 PM by spanone
this was a memo between mcchrystal and the President.

i'd have the general's ass in front of my desk pronto.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:11 PM
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4. I don't know about you
but back when shrubbie was CinC I remember a lot of people around here plenty pissed that he let commanders go for that very reason.

I don't think Mc Chrystal is over the line yet, not to the level of Douglas MacArthur at least. One of his roles is to advocate an opinion, a leader at his level that just toes the line is a wasted space. It doesn't always have to be the opinion his boss has and his boss will have the final say. If Obama came back and told Mc Chrystal how it was going to be the opinions would end.

He's high enough up the food chain that he's allowed a long long leash regarding military matters.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:13 PM
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5. i don't recall the ex-asshole firing any commanders...link?
Edited on Mon Sep-21-09 03:20 PM by spanone
edit...he's still an asshole

but seriously, i don't recall any iraq or afghanistan commanders under bu$h* going to the media to get their story out and him firing them.....???
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:23 PM
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9. General George Casey
"fired", "asked to retire" "cashiered" pick your terminology, February 8, 2007 because of his opposition to a troop surge being brought forward by shrubbo. Replaced by General David Petraeus.

The quote that got him shit-canned from January 2007:

"The longer we in the U.S. forces continue to bear the main burden of Iraq’s security, it lengthens the time that the government of Iraq has to take the hard decisions about reconciliation and dealing with the militias. And the other thing is that they can continue to blame us for all of Iraq’s problems, which are at base their problems. It’s always been my view that a heavy and sustained American military presence was not going to solve the problems in Iraq over the long term."

Man people around here were pissed that shrubbo wouldn't listen to his commanding General in Iraq.

A decent link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Casey,_Jr.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:38 PM
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14. i wasn't one of them. casey was as right as mcchrystal is wrong.
i think a commander has a right to disagree with his commander in chief, but not thru bob woodward and the washington post.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:13 PM
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6. You are right. And especially leaks to Bob Woodward - The Agency Man!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:18 PM
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7. Truman had to fire MacArthur
Just one more lesson to be learned from the old haberdasher.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:18 PM
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8. McChrystal should have never been chosen, and he's a damn psychopath...
....I agree w/ you.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:26 PM
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10. WTF is up with that anyway? He is a kook. Why do we need a moslem annihilist.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:05 PM
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16. I wish I knew. I posted here (it's in my Journal) about McChrystal and what a mad man he is
I'm SURE Obama must've known - yet he chose him anyway. Can't grok it.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:31 PM
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11. Does he want to get out before it falls apart? /nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:31 PM
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12. Time to fire him, but not for the leak. For what's in the leak.
Escalating a lost war is downright stupid.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 03:37 PM
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13. yeah they do...just ask Nixon..
If the General caused the leak then that's a problem. If some underling wanted to embarass the Obama admin the it is the underling's problem.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 04:17 PM
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17. the buck stops with the general...
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