Let us not get too cocky right now

[AllentownJake]

Right after the 2004 Presidential Election, Karl Rove made the prediction of a Permanent Republican Majority or the party to be the dominate force for 20-40 years.

2 years later he got his ass kicked in the congressional races, and in 2008 he got beat pretty badily once again.

Some people think we will be in power forever. We won't. We will fuck something up. The only reason why we are in power right now is because George W. Bush was an incompetent fool.

I also want to remind everyone that 7 years ago, we were the Tea Party people. I don't mean that literally but we were the ones out protesting and comparing the President to all kinds of History's monsters.

Katrina, Iraq, and trying to privatise Social Security were the point where the Republican Party started to take a nose dive.

During the 2010 midterms, if the economy doesn't show signs of turning around to everyday Americans (I don't care if the DOW is at 20,000) than we are up shit's creek that election year. We don't have to fix the economy overnight but unemployment better be headed downward by than.

If in 2012 Unemployment hasn't stabilized there is a good chance we can be thrown out of the White House as well.

Remember it was only 7 years between Nixon's disgrace and Ronald Reagan's election and 12 years of Republican Presidents.

[MNDemNY]

1. Get "cocky" ?? Hell at this point it will be all we can hope for to just hang on to the white house

[AllentownJake]

3. We will really have to fuck up

To lose that many House Seats in 2010.

[mitchtv]

2. How about a little backbone?

If people get the idea that Democrats stand for something, we will all be better off.

[Warpy]

4. The Democrats will be the minority in Congress in 2011

if they wimp out on health care overhaul. Other than that, their majority might shrink, but will remain intact.

[AllentownJake]

5. The crazy thing is

that it will be the blue dogs that go.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Yep, and they don't even see it

[BlooInBloo]

6. "we were the Tea Party people" - Pure, unmitigated bullshit...

Well, it is mitigated, but not nearly enough to make it any less bullshit.

[AllentownJake]

7. Not literally

However, we were the ones protesting vocally the actions of the administration.

[Jakes Progress]

9. He knows what you meant. nt

[BlooInBloo]

11. Yep - something along the lines of: "I know we were NOT the tea party people..

but it's much sexier to say we were, so I'll say it anyway".

And DUers criticize the media. :rofl:

[AllentownJake]

12. Exact Quote Bloo

I also want to remind everyone that 7 years ago, we were the Tea Party people. I don't mean that literally but we were the ones out protesting and comparing the President to all kinds of History's monsters.

If you take one sentence, yes it reads that way, however it does not have the same meaning if you include the second.

[BlooInBloo]

14. Nah - that's why I said "something along the lines of...".

[Jakes Progress]

18. Damn those nits. Pick 'em.

Some are defined by the nits they pick.

[Jakes Progress]

8. Subtlety lost on some.

Read the OP. Not for things to jump on and phrases to call out, but for meaning. Then If you disagree with the meaning of the OP, try posting your points with some reasoning. Or, you could just pop in, pop off, and scat.

The truth is that the OP is correct. Hubris right now is not called for. A little knowledge of history will show that the next six months will tell the tale of whether we will maintain some semblance of leadership or fall back to another decade of flinging stones while the neocons march on.

[damntexdem]

13. Why would we be cocky right now?

We don't know whether any real health coverage reform will pass.

We do know that the GOP seems to want to commit suicide, but the Dems are not exactly shining either. What's bad for the GOP may or may not turn out to the Dems' advantage.

We don't know how violent the rightwing will get.

We don't know that we are really pulling out of the recession -- the bottom could still really fall out of the economy.

Yes, things may start to click and we may be very happy come November 2010; but we have no reason to be in danger of being cocky now.

[AllentownJake]

15. I've seen some post making assumptions

these assumptions should not be made.

Those crazy people screaming in the streets will be probably knocking on doors in a year.

[madinmaryland]

16. Interesting, I see much more angst here than cockiness.

So many things yet to happen, that I don't think there is much in the way of cockiness. Look at the commentary over health care, civil rights, the war, etc. We are not in lock step with the Democratic Party, as the Repubs were with their party eight years ago.

[AllentownJake]

17. I should have post this in GD:P

Than again I'd have to change into my fire fighting suit.

[madinmaryland]

19. You got that right!

[QC]

26. You would be pom-pom-whipped to within an inch of your life! n/t

[TheKentuckian]

20. Who's cocky? Seems a little bit of a reach

The GOP is a trainwreck and has piss poor long term demographics but few seem to be taking it as they are out of the game for now. Rather it seems to be frustration at their continued ability to dominate the conversation and that their more sane people are switching teams which waters down everything we do.

As for myself, I just doubt they take either house of the Congress in 2010 or that they can find a candidate that can get within cheating range of an incumbent Obama, he's been hammered for months and is at least as popular as he was when elected. We aren't close to out of the woods but we might really be walking in the right direction and have caught a hint of the daylight. There are plenty of pitfalls but we're on the move again.

At some point the Republicans will have to change their tune but we aren't close to safe until they start to do that.

[dionysus]

21. "The only reason why we are in power right now is because George W. Bush was an incompetent fool."

so, mccain was a credible candidate with palin?
:rofl:

[AllentownJake]

22. If George W. Bush had not been such an incredible fuck-up

John McCain would not have been the candidate and Sara Palin would never have been looked at as a VP prospect in 2008. Both were hail mary passes. McCain hoping to be seen as a moderate and Palin hoping to snag people angry Hillary lost.

You'd probably be looking at running against Jeb Bush in 2008 if Bush was polling anywhere in the high 40s.

[dionysus]

23. i hand it to you, you know how to create depressing scenarios.

[AllentownJake]

24. Not depressing at all

Because George W. Bush was such a giant fuck-up, his brother nor any of their children will ever be President.

No one would vote for a President Hoover in the 60s or a President Nixon in the 90s.

[dionysus]

25. i mean you also bode doom for the economy, and health care plans, from your posts.

i read all teh threads you know ;)

[AllentownJake]

30. I was optimitic during the Election

Than he started appointing people.

:shrug:

[GivePeaceAchance]

27. I can see a big job increase, if we keep pushing progressively. ..

I'd say 2012 is in the bag because failure is not an option, I feel quietly confident and know it's non stop work for as long as it can be made possible.

[eridani]

28. If there is no significant action on health care before 2013 (which is looking to be the case)--

--Dems are going to get creamed. The only way out short of single payer is to allow voluntary buy-in to Medicare.

[Kickin_Donkey]

29. How can we ever get too cocky?

Like somebody else on this poster said, there's mostly angst on our side.

We can never really get cocky because the Pukes always have the media their side.