Are bath-time photos child pornography?

[XemaSab]

Last fall A.J. and Lisa Demaree took a memory stick with family photos to the printing center at the Wal-Mart store in Peoria, Ariz. Some of the photos showed their three young girls, all under 5 years old, partially nude in the bathtub. The Demarees say these were innocent pictures that all families take. But a Wal-Mart employee felt otherwise and contacted the police who agreed that this was a child pornography situation.

The Demaree's lawyer released this photo to show the pictures of the girls are innocent.
The police report read, "The young girl appeared to be posed in a provocative manner." A report issued by Peoria authorities described the photos as "child erotica" and "sex exploitation."

Child Protective Services searched the Demaree home and took custody of the children for a month while the state investigated. The watched family videotapes and found a few in which the children were playing unclothed. Lisa was suspended from her school job for a year, and both of their names were placed on the sex offender registry. The couple spent $75,000 on legal bills.

The Demarees were eventually cleared of any charges and their daughters returned, but they are now suing the state and Wal-Mart for what they call unfair accusations.


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If all photos of little kids naked are child porn, then we've got multiple generations of perverts in my family.

My mom's photo album is full of pictures of her and her siblings in the bathtub when they were toddlers, and some of the finest photos of my own childhood are from my second birthday party when me and 5 of my closest friends ran around naked on the patio and played in a wading pool.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I had some developed about 9 yrs ago. Fortunately we have a digital camera now so

we don't have to have someone else decide whether or not our kids' butt cheeks are cute or sexy.

[Fumesucker]

2. We are born fully clothed..

And any attempt to image us in any other state than our natural, fully clothed, one is a perversion.

[NoSheep]

46. But I was born in mixed fiber clothing. That pretty much dooms me to hell as far as

Ezekiel is concerned.... I think at least somebody should stone me and quick!

:rofl:

[EOTE]

107. I think you're referring to Leviticus.

But otherwise you're right :P You'll surely be doomed to hell and must be stoned (and not the good kind) ASAP. As for me, I've never worn a cotton-poly blend, never eaten shrimp, crab or lobster and have never shaved my facial hair. I may have sold a few of my children into slavery, but you'll have to believe me when I say that they had it coming. So I'm pretty sure that Jesus and I are still tight.

[NoSheep]

119. Leviticus! Yes.

[calazini]

84. The husband thinks....

That we should wall all the Jesus freaks off in their own state and have them guarded by illegal Mexicans who cross the border - with guns and land mines on BOTH sides (that was my idea). I suggested they should have AR-15's with hollow points, but he thinks that's going a little too far. Meh.

It's a good start. They can have Texas (we'll get all you blue dems out first), and Oklahoma. I'm throwing in Kansas and Nebraska only because they suck to drive through. And Colorado Springs (it'll be like Berlin after WWII). They want out, shoot 'em and say it's Rapture time. But then, I'm mean and snarky without any coffee.

I hope that Walmart gets sued out of existence - what the hell is wrong with these people. :mad: :evilgrin:

[Douglas Carpenter]

104. I think you would find that a lot of this is not coming from fundamentalist, but "liberal" forces

who are overzealous to unreal levels about "protecting" children from abuse.

A certain wing of the "child protective services" community is extremely authoritarian and their authoritarian impulses come not from religious ideas, but from secular ideals about protecting children at all cost - Thus looking at anything and everything with suspicious eyes that are incapable of assuming anything, except the darkest of motives.

[Arugula Latte]

3. Oh, jeez.

What parent HASN'T taken the kid-in-the-tub photos?

:banghead:

[TrogL]

7. Me. I hate water

[The Straight Story]

4. Those who think it is pornography are sick twisted freaks imho

And are used to equating nudity with sex, and probably could not resist their own desires/urges so they don't think anyone else can either.

[KG]

5. this country's attitudes about sex and nudity barely reach pre-adolescence

[WillyT]

10. Exactly !!!

What you said...

:applause:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. This is getting insane.

[WillyT]

8. I Wonder...

If I posted one of my naked kid in the tub pix, and I mean a picture of me (18 or so months), could I get in trouble for posting child pornography... even though the picture is of me, and I'm now 53 years old???

I mean... just how fucked up of a society do we live in?

:shrug:

BTW - I hope the Demaree's sue the living shit out of everybody concerned, and I hope the award truly punishes those puritanical pustules!

:mad:

[etherealtruth]

25. Sadly, if you did we would probably only hear from you ...

... when you earned computer privileges at the prison (if one can earn such a thing) :(

On a serious note, I do believe that some of the teenagers that have engaged in "sexting" have been charged with child pornography for disseminating images of themselves .... i get that this isn't the equivalent of a tot in the tub .... but, it was images of them .... crazy times.

[rug]

9. When will they go after the real pornographers?

[WillyT]

13. I Was Exposed To That During MY Childhood, LOL !!!

The horror...

:evilgrin:

[Nye Bevan]

34. I was amused to see that Disney has cleaned this ad up

in their California Adventure park.



Gotta love that squeaky clean Disney.

[mwb970]

79. Um, doesn't that kind of ruin the "dog pulling the swimsuit" aspect?

Besides, she's still topless. Zut alors!

[calazini]

87. You should go to jail....

Just for noticing that! Pervert!!!

:sarcasm:

:tinfoilhat: :wtf:

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Her first problem was going to WalMart

Just sayin . . .

But no, these are not porn pictures.

[PSzymeczek]

28. Their second problem was taking them to a Wally World in Maricopa County

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

82. Walgreens just as bad...

[msanthrope]

12. I have pictures of me nursing my daughter. Lucky I wasn't charged

with a felony.


Digital, digital.

[cbdo2007]

14. They show a naked kid in that new Taking Woodstock movie.

I actually heard people in the theater gasp.

[elehhhhna]

15. lotsa classical pornangel baby paintings all over the world.

[Retrograde]

77. There are even some with Naked Baby Jesus

I figure if it's good enough for God it's good enough for us.

[Jamastiene]

16. It is not the photos themselves that are pornographic...

It's the sick minds of some people who look at those photos.

[Oeditpus Rex]

18. Like cops who state, for the record,

"The young girl appeared to be posed in a provocative manner."

[darkstar3]

37. EXACTLY!

How in the name of Sir Isaac H. Newton could ANYONE say that about a FIVE YEAR OLD?!?! :wtf: went through that cops mind?!

[darkstar3]

38. delete

some kind of refresh error.

[Odin2005]

59. Those cops are fucked up in the head.

[EOTE]

108. Oh come on! She was totally coming on to that cop.

I mean, if she wasn't, she wouldn't have had that 'come hither' look in her eye.

[rd_kent]

17. What about naturalist families?

Naturalists and nudists? It is their beieifs that going unclothed, when appropriate, is healthy and natural. Is that child porn too?

[spanone]

19. this is some fucked up nation. god's little police are everywhere

[MattBaggins]

20. There is something really disgusting at that site

Look at this doozy in the comments from kirkham19

"I have been in this position. And it is INSANE. CPS is real good at persecuting white, middle class, innocent people. They have a horrifically bad record protecting minority children from real abuse..."

What makes it even more disgusting is look at the number of recs vs unrecs it has. It is the second comment in the comment section

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. This country has a problem with sex... a real problem

it is that of a person afraid of it. EEEWWWW... children come to mind, and I mental ones.

[seabeyond]

22. during sons second summer, just over 1, mother in law asked if i would start raising the

camera when i took all my outdoor pictures. never crossed my mind or was a thought. kid was never clothed.... freedom. when i did have to put a swimsuit on the kid cause older niece was coming over (divorce issues) my sweet child who never threw a tantrum threw a huge one and refused to allow me to put a suit on. preferred not swimming that day.

we did naked, lots and lots of naked. learned to pee on that tree too.

[BlooInBloo]

24. You show that tree who's boss!

:rofl:

[seabeyond]

26. after three, four years though, hard habit to break. lol. seeing that little butt

when it wasnt suppose to be bare

[Bettie]

98. My kids spent summers naked too!

When they were little, they hated clothes and they ran naked and free in the back yard.

When they were about 3, I had to put clothes on them because the little old ladies next door complained about the nudity. Actually, only one of them complained, but she's a mean old lady.

[seabeyond]

109. no way. lol. i never had anyone have issue, but for the not having a sticky divorce thing

and that was us doing it just in case, scenerio.

but people would walk in back yard and not a second thought. more an admiration and appreciation of the pure joy of the freedom and feel.

[Bettie]

115. My kids still spend naked time at Granny's house

She lives out in the country and there is no one around, so they swim naked there. Since the older boys are 7 and 8, we no longer take naked pictures, though they have a weird fascination with photographing each other's butts with their own camera. Sigh.

I love the freedom and joy that little kids have...they are so unaware of any of the junk that adults deal with, they just live their lives full speed ahead!

I am really enjoying my one year old's exploration of the world. The other two were too close together for me to really notice some of the little things that my baby is doing, how minutely he examines his world, trying to figure it out.

And he spends a lot of naked time too...outside, because I don't want to clean the carpets all that often!

[aikoaiko]

23. idiot law enforcement.

I don't blame the wal-mart folks much, although they were probably idiots too, but the police and prosecutors should know better.

[etherealtruth]

27. That's what is so disturbing

The Yahoos at Walmart are probably following a policy along the lines of "report all photos of naked children over to the authorities" ... what kind of idiots in law enforcement would pursue this?

[B3Nut]

29. We're such a bunch of uptight nincompoops

I still have a couple Polaroids my dad took of me standing in the tub butt nekkid...I couldn't have been more than 2. Typical cute funny family photos that have been taken ever since the days of the Flash Brownie.

I swear this country is going batshit insane. I can hardly recognize the place.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

[seabeyond]

31. or, there is a real problem with child pornography that has cause us to be messed up

that is what happens in a situation like this, when we are confronted with a real problem in society. in trying to take care of it, do something about it, this shit happens

dont you think that may be a more plausible reason.

[B3Nut]

112. Yes of course, but

there's such a thing as common sense and judgment, and those who exercise power over other human beings are all too often the most seriously bereft of same. People are just too damn prone to panic without thinking first these days.

[Deja Q]

30. No, but they can be misperceived AS porn.

So people need to convince the store clerk it's entirely innocent and cute.

[pitohui]

33. how would you "convince the store clerk it's entirely innocent and cute"?

i honestly want to know

i'm not attacking you, i'm just saying, all these folks seem to think the store clerk should know by magic that a person taking photos of naked children posed hugging butt to groin in the tub is not, somehow, a pedophile doing this for a cheap thrill

i don't have a device to get in a person's mind and read their mind

all i can do is look at the photo and this person chose to make these nude bathing photos of the two kids together AND (in a digital world where no one else would ever have to see the photo) daringly chose to put the photo out there where at least one other person (the developer) would have to see it

how do i assume this person is normal and harmless rather than a creep?

i can't, period, end of question

i'm gonna report it, and i'm gonna expect the cops to have some hard questions of people taking this type of photo

i don't particularly want a world where the sociopath fast talker gets a pass and the Alzheimer getting old person who doesn't know quite what he did gets investigated -- i think everyone who takes such a photo and pushes it in front of a clerk's face is asking to be investigated and should be investigated

fair is fair

shouldn't fast talkers who can convince the clerk "it's innocent and cute" be subject to the same questions as the rest of us?

if i bring a knife on a plane i KNOW i'm not a terrorist but i still accept i screwed up and need to pay a fine

same here

they screwed up

they cost society/law enforcement time and money that could have been better spent elsewhere plus they shamed their kids for no good reason -- they need to pay a fine

my humble opinion only

i don't think they're sex offenders but it's 2009, and stupidity needs to pay some price or it never ends

[raccoon]

81. I agree here; how's the clerk going to know if the customers are pedophiles or

normal people taking pictures of their little kids? For that matter, the clerk wouldn't know whose kids were in the pictures.

In this day and time, if people are going to take naked pictures of kids, they need to take digital photos or develop the pictures themselves to avoid this sort of mess.

[olegramps]

97. You must be kidding.

[Shell Beau]

113. One would hope.

[pitohui]

32. contrary to popular opinion most families DON'T/DIDN'T do this

i'm old, i think prob. much older than you, and let's get real

my family didn't take naked photos of underage children nor did they think naked photos of underage children were taken for any purpose other than to humiliate said children

i knew families where this was done -- NONE of the kids were happy to have their naked butts hanging out there

i'm not saying these people deserve a felony, but they do deserve a fine and to understand that what they did was WRONG

what part of "consenting adults" do people not get?

a baby or a toddler is not able to give consent

i do not need to have my naked ass on film at age two and spread around for the laughter of adults, to NO benefit to me, only to my mental humiliation, because someone thinks that photographing me naked was "cute"

if it humiliates an adult w. an adult's understanding to be photo'd bare without permission how much more does it humiliate the child w.out choice?

we either believe in consent or we don't

most when it comes down to their own actions DON'T if we go by the posts on this board

sorry, i'm not psychic, if you're photographing nude children and photographing them embracing each other nude -- ah, you can see, i just saw one of the actual photos -- ok, i'm not saying it's equivalent to rape but it's a violation and there needs to be some punishment to send a message

a child's body is not the adult's toy to exploit in photographs

what's wrong w. waiting until the child is old enough to make up her own mind abt whether she wants to be photo'd nude? did somebody say "the baby butt is cuter than the 18 yr old butt_ == my friend, if you HONESTLY believe that, god help you because there is something wrong with you

CONSENT means something, babies and toddlers CAN'T consent

i'm not saying register them as sex offenders but yes they needed to pay a price to make them stop the activity -- these folks apparently think they are legimitately justified in spreading this type of photo around of a child too young to give consent

they think, in other words, that their child is just a possession rather than a living human being w. feelings

[FormerDittoHead]

35. What if you simply think that the human body is a beautiful thing and you don't think like a pervert

oh boy... Someone has 'issues'...

[Name removed]

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[NoSheep]

39. "Most"? Most families I know did.

[DefenseLawyer]

40. You've got some issues.

No offense. Well okay, some offense.

[WillyT]

41. Holy Crap... You Have Some Major League Issues...

Get help!

:wtf:

[NoSheep]

44. I'm sorry this is your experience. But I would say your family isn't like most.

"i knew families where this was done -- NONE of the kids were happy to have their naked butts hanging out there" I know not ONE family where anyone was embarrassed to have a picture taken of them naked as a child. I truly am sorry for whatever you may have experienced in your life to make you feel the way you do, but naked children are as normal as naked adults. What we do in our own homes with our friends and families is our business and ours alone. And just to be clear, I am not talking about abusing anyone. I am talking about nature. I can't believe we are in disagreement about this in our society. Our culture, which is inseparable from our language, has been subverted by the sickest among us. That doesn't mean the rest of us are.

[nonconformist]

48. Are you fucking serious?

[TwilightGardener]

49. When my son was a newborn, I took a photo of him clinging like

a sad, howling little red-faced screech monkey to the foam pad in his baby tub. I'm not as freewheeling as most on DU about sex and nudity--I'm pretty traditional about such matters--but there's no way to read the picture as anything but cute and innocent--he just really, really hated baths! Now, did I take nekkid photos of them as toddlers and preschoolers? No--but for other families who find that stuff amusing, it's still innocent and done out of affection. I wouldn't take this too seriously.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. This posts says a lot about your other posts in other threads.

[tnlefty]

56. I'm not a spring chicken and we have photos and videos

of 'baby's first bath', and much later bath time was a time to get them clean, but to also give them toys to play with while confined in a baby seat in the tub. As they got older some of the funniest things ever were on video.

These were just for us and not shown to even grandparents unless when they were older the child involved said that it was okay. Any laughter was a result of the kids' joy of the freedom of the water, and the toys, or later something they'd said, NOT nekkid butts, etc.

I never thought of my children as toys, but YMMV. :hug:

[tammywammy]

57. I'm 29 and my parents took pictures of me in the bath

When I was a baby. When I was 6 or 7, I remember I was taking a bubble bath with my cousin (she's a year older than me) and we were putting bubbles in each other's hair and making funny things and I remember my aunt taking a few pictures of us.

[OwnedByFerrets]

64. You are so damn wrong, so very very wrong.

[Mariana]

66. My grandmother took pictures of my sister and me in the bath.

She'd be 100 now if she were still alive. One she liked so much she had it cropped, enlarged and framed. It hung in her "rogue's gallery" until she died, and I have it now. No one thought then or thinks now that it was wrong or shameful, least of all me or my sister. It's a damn cute picture.

[Touchdown]

70. Right on! I agree with you Sister!

My Mom has 2 or 3 of those little nekkid pics of me when I was a toddler, and she uses them to extort me!

"If you don't do the dishes on Thanksgiving, I'm going to show your new girlfriend your naked pictures!" So there I am, up to my elbows in dishwater, scrubbing away in the kitchen, and where's Mom? She's in the living room, showing those damn pictures of me ANYWAY!:grr:

I said; You are such a liar!
She said "Well, you didn't shovel my driveway last week!"
Me "Mom! Your retired now! Move to Florida! No snow!"

:sarcasm:

BTW: I really don't agree with you. I think you're batshit. And except of my little weenie being in a couple of Kodak Moments, the story isn't true, but I like to tell stories.:D

[anigbrowl]

76. Most people do not have your hangups

The whole reason infants and toddlers are cute is because they draw no particular distinction between being naked and clothed. Nudity =/= sexuality.

[Dorian Gray]

78. You never had the "bathtub" photo?

Geez! We had one, and I think every single one of my friends have one.

It's not that uncommon.

[mainer]

91. And what about the potty training photo?

I have some really cute ones of my sons grinning on their training potty.

[olegramps]

99. I can see you painting fig leaves on figures in the Sistine Chapel.

What about all those nasty pictures of Jesus as a child painted by all those porno loving artists. I bet some people really get turned on by this stuff.

Unfortunately, I am not condemning you, but only can shake my head that Victorian thinking still persists with some families.

[Bettie]

101. My DH's sisters are your age....

...and their parents have naked photos of all six kids.

And you know what? None of them are particularly upset over their existence. DH's naked butt is on a photo collage in the living room and it is too cute. He was just climbing around the living room and they took a photo. He was happy and laughing and happened to be unclothed at the time.

I have a picture of my oldest son after his bath, he took hold of a footstool and took a few steps, pushing the stool in front of him. We have pictures of this because it was his first attempt at walking and he happened to be naked at the time. My son (now 8) laughs when he sees the picture because to him, nudity isn't dirty or wrong, though he knows it is not a public state either.

If he ever asks me to put away those photos, I will, but for now, they remind me of something precious.

[fascisthunter]

102. what's wrong is people looking at naked photos and feeling uncomfortable

because they automatically think of sex. If one cannot look a photo of a naked person without thinking of sex,especially if it's your own kid, then you are the one with the problem.

[Douglas Carpenter]

105. my fundamentalist Methodist grandmother had on her wall a picture of my Aunt Betty taken in 1924

which showed her nude at the age two right after a bath..

I you think this is something abnormal, I'm sorry but you are living in an alternative universe of unreality.

[PVnRT]

106. You have some serious issues

[Blue_In_AK]

116. I'm sorry, but I took naked pictures of all three of my girls...

What does that make me as a mother? For heaven's sakes, get a grip.

I'm 63, they're all adults, and they get a kick out of the pictures.

[Codeine]

117. You don't have issues,

you have an entire fucking subscription.

[Juche]

42. This child porn witchhunt is going to backfire

We are becoming a society more and more willing to label people as pedophiles using looser standards. Its going to backfire.

I remember once when I was in my 20s I saw a girl at walmart and went over and started talking to her. After about 5 minutes I asked her what classes she was in and what she was studying (assuming she was a college student) and she got confused. Eventually I found out she was in high school. After that I said 'sorry, I thought you were older' and left. We are rapidly becoming a society where even an interaction like that might get you the label of pedophile.

[hedgehog]

43. Not only are there many family photos of kids in the tub, but there

were actual home movies featuring kids in the tub! ( and I must be tired, because one of those movies featured a cousin who died too young of AIDS, and I miss him tonight and I'm getting teary thinking of the fun we all had looking at those old home movies).



I used cloth diapers, and there was a certain age where the kids started walking but didn't have much for hips. On hot summer days, I'd dress the babies in just a diaper. We still have pleasant memories of the time this one or that one wiggled out of the diaper and walked away in nothing at all. One evening we were out in the garden and my young son walked by au natural. The bugs weren't biting, and we wanted to keep working, so I let him be. We're out in the country, so I figured no one would notice. Wouldn't you know it, one of our elderly neighbors chose that night to take his dog for a walk down a path that cuts past our garden. I was a little flustered, but he got a good laugh out of it. I think it reminded him of his kids.

[spanone]

45. if so, my entire family should be incarcerated....going back generations.

[ohheckyeah]

47. Insanity rules in this country now.

One of the first photos my parents took of me was me naked under the Christmas Tree. I was 9 days old. I was really cute, too. ;-)

Almost everybody I know has taken photos of their kids in the tub. It's a classic thing to do.

[Touchdown]

74. And so modest!

"I was really cute, too. " :rofl:

[ohheckyeah]

118. LOL

I was. Of course most 9 day old babies are cute. Now, if I said I am still cute, that would be immodest. (But, I am) ;-)

[NoUsername]

51. While they were at it, they should have gone after the

photographer that snapped the picture of Kim Phuc back in '72. In case you don't recognize the name, she was the Vietnamese girl shown in a rather famous photograph running down the street naked after being badly burned by napalm. The photographer won a Pulitzer Prize for that picture but, on hindsight, I guess they should have thrown him in the slammer instead. :sarcasm:

In response to the OP, no, I don't think pics of little kids taking a bath are pornography. I'm more worried about anybody that would view them as such than I am about the parents that would take such pics. C'mon! They're little kids for chrissakes! Anyone that would look at them and see them as pornography is a seriously warped SOB IMHO.

[OwnedByFerrets]

65. Good point.

[hughee99]

52. I don't think they'll do well against Walmart, but they may do well against the state...

Idiotic though it may seem, the walmart employee was probably doing what he was instructed to do (based one his training and the law). This may have been against his better judgment, but he may have had to report this just to cover his own ass. I don't know that they have any particular legal responsibility to be the arbiter of what is porn and what isn't. The state should have taken all of about 3 seconds after seeing the pictures in question to determine that this wasn't the case. The fact their names ended up on the sex offender registry baffles me.

[MrMickeysMom]

53. A strange experience about that with my daughter-in-law...

When my grandson was about 3 yrs old and having his mommy give him a bath, gramma was called to see how he was playing. I thought it was so cute and had my camera on me, so brought my digital camera to snap a few photos... Oh boy... I immediately realized that was wrong. My daughter-in-law's reaction was pretty visceral! I had BOO BOO'd in thinking THAT was a cool thing to do!

I was sort of taken aback. I mean, my aim was not to get a full body shot, but one of those nice bubble bath cute moments. I think we must have had lots of these photos as kids in the days you had them processed at the drug store. I also recall that my brother's grand sons those cute but shots that were considered innocent.

Well, I have to tell you I really felt "dirty" after this. I also tried to assure her when we were viewing it in iPhoto about an hour later that "I'm deleting this now, okay?"

It really made me feel bad. I was just trying to be a grandma, but should have known better, since my DIL is really wrapped tight. :-(

[Rabrrrrrr]

54. Hate to say it, but some blame goes to liberals for blowing sexual abuse into ludicrous proportions

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Provide an example.

[Rabrrrrrr]

60. How about this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6601158

Or the "sex offender registry" that includes not just rapists and actual sexual criminals, but people caught peeing in public or, as in the example I offered, taking innocent pictures of one's own children in the bathtub, or hugging a child to offer comfort or joy but which hug was taken the wrong way.

Not to mention the media frenzy - and liberal frenzy - to automatically judge and execute anyone for simply being ACCUSED of rape, even though we all know the truth that, sometimes, the claim of rape is a LIE.


Seriously, you can't possibly think that "sexual abuse" hasn't been taken to extreme insane bullshit levels of paranoia and self-righteous assholery. I hope you're not serious, anyway.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. What's this got to do with liberals?

I'll better every last person involved in decision making in that story is a social conservative.

[EOTE]

111. WTF? You're asked to provide an example and you link to this thread?

You've done absolutely nothing to show how this frenzy pertains to liberals. Please show me how the tendency to "judge and execute anyone for simply being ACCUSED of rape" is a liberal trait. I know very well that many claims of rape are lies.

[Odin2005]

58. So my parents are sex offenders now?

The stupid, IT BURNS!!! :banghead:

[OwnedByFerrets]

62. I hope they win millions in their lawsuit. Maybe it will curb

this kind of fucking shit.

[SeattleGirl]

63. No, I don't.

My parents took pictures of me and my siblings in the bathtub when we were little, and I did the same with my daughter.

Sometimes the "proper police" go way over the line on what's proper and what's not.

[bridgit]

67. To some I am convinced that is surely the case

As are they-some-same wise, surely *they some* ogling little girls changing their shoe & purchase options at a Nordstrom rack please do stop me from counting the ways

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZmtq5LhFo

Oh! And send not a-fucking-thing-nothing to 1HR photo you do not desire to be perused by random, focused, repetitiveness strangeness just say'n
http://d.yimg.com/b/util/anysize/400,http:%2F%2Fus.ent4.yimg.com%2Fmovies.yahoo.com%2Fimages%2Fhv%2Fphoto%2Fmovie_pix%2Ffox_searchlight%2Fone_hour_photo%2Frobin_williams%2Fphoto2.jpg

[Vidar]

68. No.

[Thickasabrick]

69. Yes....and Michaelangelo was a major perv..hope TX took him out of the books

:sarcasm:

[varelse]

71. No

at least, not as viewed by a healthy person.

[donheld]

72. Only in Insane parts of the USA

[Matariki]

73. what's with the unrec's on this thread???

it's a perfectly reasonable topic. weird.

[bridgit]

75. Wurd! Neg heads...the world apparently needs *tons* of neg heads I like your avatar...

[Junkdrawer]

80. Saying bad, nasty things about WalMart....

Trolls hate that...

[JonQ]

83. I'll feel alot safer when these sick bastards are off the street

and their kids are safely locked in to foster care with some stranger.

:sarcasm:

Seriously, is common sense entirely dead? When did that happen, it should have some kind of memorial.

[Shell Beau]

114. That is one of the sickest parts to me. Those children were taken

away for a month. Who knows what kind of effect this will have on them.

[Bill McBlueState]

85. In any case,

it shouldn't be up to a random Wal-Mart employee to make this call.

[calazini]

86. Pishaw!

That's nothing. My two boys were playing in the backyard in the baby pool - they were about 3 and 5 at the time. They asked if they could take off their bathings suits - they're in the back yard so no BFD. I was gardening about 10 feet away and turned around around and the 5 yo was missing. I ran out to the front to see my 5 yo, riding his bike down the MIDDLE of the street, NAKED, right when ALL my neighbors were coming home from work. BUT, he was wearing his helmet (I was a complete FREAK about wearing the helmet.)!!!!! :rofl: I was laughing so hard that I almost wet my pants - too hard to get the camera. He stopped in the driveway, saw me laughing and said (honest to God) "What's so funny?" My neighbors STILL talk about this - my son is now 15!

I'm pretty sure that if I had gotten a pic of that, I would STILL be in jail.

The person at Walmart, their supervisors, the cops and CPS have completely lost their FRIGGIN' MINDS. I hope these people sue them out of existence. ASSHOLES!

[NashVegas]

88. Let's Just Arrest Every Grandmother In the World, Right Now

For all those "it's a BOY!" shots we're forced to see.

[mainer]

89. Then I must be a pornographer

I took plenty of nude and bath-time photos of my sons when they were infants and toddlers. To this day, they're still the photos I treasure most. When our older son got married, his nude baby photos were part of the wedding slide show, and everyone went "ahhhhh, how cute!" (And he was the one who chose his photo for the slide show.)

[Subdivisions]

90. This is getting ridiculous. I have had 3 grandchildren born since April

and when I put some of the birth pics on myspace so that the rest of the family could see and get them, myspace deleted any of the images they deemed "inappropriate". HOW THE FUCK ARE IMAGES OF A NEWBORN BABY, STILL IN THE HOSPITAL AFTER BIRTH, BE CONSIDERED "INAPPROPRIATE"???

[Javaman]

92. this is on the same level insanity that took place back in the early 90's

with the "suppressed memories" of child abuse, that later turned out to be a stinking pile of horseshit by a select few "psychologists" out on a fabricated crusade.

This incident and I'm sure there will be more like it, reeks of the same hair trigger zero to ape-shit mentality.

[mainer]

93. In Asia, toddlers go bottomless in public everywhere

It's considered practical, because of toilet training.

My god, we Americans are uptight.

[snooper2]

94. All the people involved in this shit

are the ones who should be investigated...I'm sure you'll find a sick judge out of every 4 or 5...

[Mad_Dem_X]

95. Holy crap.

My parents took a few pictures of me and my sister naked when we were small. In one, my barely-walking self can be seen leaning over the bathtub. Good thing those pics weren't taken today, or my parents could have gone to jail!

[Bettie]

96. No, they are not

And anyone who thinks so is the sick one.

That said, I wouldn't post them on Facebook or anywhere online because there are sick people out there who are sexually excited by small children.

Still, for parents it is saving a memory of when their kids were so innocent and sweet. Makes it easier to deal with them as teenagers, or so I'm told! :)

[undeterred]

100. I think the internet and ease of photography

have made taking naked photos of children a risk. My parents certainly took a few naked pictures of us kids and they are in a shoebox somewhere. The photo clerk would never have questioned it unless they were lewd. Nowadays they can slip into the wrong hands and get distributed more easily.

So - there's nothing wrong with it, but parents should be careful.

[fascisthunter]

103. anyone saying so, may need some therapy

if one looks at a photo of their own child and can't remove the thoughts of sexuality, than there is a problem with that person. Now I am not suggesting that person is a pervert as much as that person has a serious hang-up that probably should be dealt with.

[AspenRose]

110. Well, my mom took pictures of me naked

but I was five. I think that is too old for naked child pictures, and in my opinion, those pictures could have been child porn. I was uncomfortable with her taking them in the first place (because her side of the family inappropriately sexualized me and my cousins at an early age) but she took them anyway. When I was older I found the pictures and shredded them because I still carried that shame with me.

I think the age of the child should have some bearing on whether a picture is considered innocent or not. I have taken bathtime pictures of my boys in the past, but they're (currently) 2 and 4, and I never show their genitalia in the photographs (they're covered by soap suds, washcloth, bath toy or whatever). I asked the older one about it and he said it didn't bother him. As he is getting older, however, I won't be taking any more bathtime pictures of him.