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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:55 PM
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Blackwater involved in Bhutto and Hariri hits: former Pakistani army chief
Blackwater involved in Bhutto and Hariri hits: former Pakistani army chief
September 21st, 2009 8:22 AM

Tehran Times

Pakistan’s former chief of army staff, General Mirza Aslam Beg (ret.), has said the U.S. private security company Blackwater was directly involved in the assassinations of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto and former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.

Blackwater later changed its name and is now known as Xe.

General Beg recently told the Saudi Arabian daily Al Watan that former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf had given Blackwater the green light to carry out terrorist operations in the cities of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Peshawar, and Quetta.

General Beg, who was chief of army staff during Benazir Bhutto’s first administration, said U.S. officials always kept the presence of Blackwater in Pakistan secret because they were afraid of possible attacks on the U.S. Embassy and its consulates in Pakistan.

During an interview with a Pakistani TV network last Sunday, Beg claimed that the United States killed Benazir Bhutto.



http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/09/21/blackwater-involved-in-bhutto-and-hariri
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 06:57 PM
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1. I don't buy it at all.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:07 PM
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2. If this is accurate, it means the US is employing terrorists...
and that the FBI who went over there afterward was ether incompetent or the US Government has covered up a crime.

Unfortunately, this type of operation would appeal to Blackwater/XE because it causes strife in a Muslim state and kept someone who was considered less friendly to US than others.

But with the only source being a Tehran Newspaper, it is suspect. Unless this guy would be willing to show evidence elsewhere, or someone else finds independent evidence, I wouldn't trust the story.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:13 PM
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3. Plus the fact that the Pakistani military is knee-deep in support of Al-Qaeda, so throwing out a
claim about how the US is involved conveniently diverts attention from the truth. This particular general was heavy in hiding the AQ Khan nuke network as well. His claims are just throwing up a smoke screen to cover his own people.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:35 PM
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9. Or BW was working for somebody else
after all, they are dirty mercs
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:14 PM
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4. Wanna buy a bridge? How about beach front property by the Sea of Tranquility?
This is just a little bit too far fetched, although there are even wilder CTs out there.

The US government, regardless of party in power, had no interest in maintaining Musharraf in power. Ms. Bhutto, flawed though she may have been, was the bast chance of replacing Musharraf and keeping Pakistan stable. Ms. Bhutto was assassinated, Musharraf fell from power and today Pakistan is a bloody mess. The only thing that make me think the US government could have been involved is the myth that only the Bush Admin could fuck things up that badly. But we all know that other people are also fuck ups, as well as as things can get pretty fucked up without any planning at all.

Musharraf had an interest in maintaining Musarraf in power, so he makes a better suspect. Even better are the religious fanatics who cringe at the thought of what John Knox, a western religious fanatic of a bygone era, called "the monstrous regiment of women." In addition, the Taliban have an interest in an unstable region. Until there is something better than a former Pakistani general with skeletons in his own closet coming up with a bizarre CT, that is where my suspicions lay.


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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:34 PM
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8. The Bush Admin were at fault for trusting Musharraf and giving him more power and money through
the war on terror.

That being said, I agree with you in that there was really no good reason for us to assassinate Bhutto, even through any of Bush's misguided antics.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:55 PM
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13. True, but . . .
. . . that makes them stupid, not assassins by proxy.

And we already knew they were stupid.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:23 PM
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14. Also, lets remember that Blackwater
—headed by a man described in a sworn statement by a former employee as “viewng himself as
a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe”— is itself a twisted faith-based organization—and a very violent one at that.

http://rebelreports.com/

....
Jeremy Scahill
Blackwater: CIA Assassins
http://rebelreports.com/
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 09:55 PM
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17. Blackwater may have clients other than the US government, they are a private for-profit corporation.
Not that I necessarily believe Beg, just saying.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:17 PM
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5. I welcome evidence to support these claims.

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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:23 PM
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6. Cofer Black....
Why a "Gang of Seven" Former CIA Directors Are Trying to Block
Holder's Torture Investigation

http://www.alternet.org/rights/142765/why_a_%22gang_of_seven
%22_former_cia_directors_are_trying_to_block_holder%27s_tort
ure_investigation_/
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:33 PM
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7. And perhaps they also murdered Bhutto's sister in law at the time of the funeral too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2569657

I caught this little discussed death (and looked to have the story being massaged and parts of it covered up at the time) that happened when her sister-in-law Shabnam Naheed Bhutto died in an auto accident on the way back from attending Benazir Bhutto's funeral.

Note in this link that Naheed Bhutto was in fact conducting Benazir Bhutto's election campaign at the time... Perhaps someone should check to see if there were any Blackwater units in that area at the time...

Three including wife of BB’s cousin dies in road mishap

RT Monitoring Desk

KARACHI: Naheed Bhutto, wife of Benazir Bhutto’s cousin Imdad Bhuttoalong with two other persons died in a road mishap on Monday near Thermal Power House, a private TV Channel reported. They were on the way to Larkana from Karachi, when their vehicle overturned near Thermal Power. Dead bodies were transported to Naudero.
The were in BB’s personal car which was being drive in by her personal driver Munawar Soomro.
Naheed Bhutto has also been conducting BB’s election campaign.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:35 PM
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10. I'm shocked I tell you
NOT
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 06:54 AM
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19. Those involved are now in a cold sweat.
Unhappily for Bush and for those who carried out his instructions, on June 29, 2009 the Supreme Court ruled, in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, that Geneva DOES apply to al-Qaeda and Taliban detainees. One senior Bush administration official is reported to have gone quite pale at the time, when Justice Anthony M. Kennedy raised the ante, warning that "violations of Common Article 3 are considered 'war crimes,' punishable as federal offenses."

....
Among the most transparent parts of the letter from the Gang of Seven is their worry that "there is no reason to expect that the re-opened criminal investigation will remain narrowly focused."

....
-- Assassination planning without notification to Congress Goss, whose uncommonly abrupt departure in May 2006 was never looked into by the Fawning Corporate Media.

-- Illegal eavesdropping by the National Security Agency Hayden was NSA director when he ordered his employees to violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires warrants from a special court before electronic eavesdropping is undertaken.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/142765/why_a_%22gang_of_seven?page=2
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:37 PM
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11. Perhaps the rumor that she carried nuclear secrets to North Korea on CD should also be reexamined...

This story also sounds flakey, but if there's anything to this assassination by BW, then perhaps this should be looked at as a possible motive for such a thing.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread354783/pg1
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 07:38 PM
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12. That sounds too out there. Much evidence needed.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:26 PM
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15. Once you have an army for hire, they will look for customers
Even though this may not be true now, it may soon be true.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 08:29 PM
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16. Hariri was Marion. The opponent of Hezbollah/Syria/Iran
While I put nothing past Prince & Blackwater to stir up shit in the Middle East to extend their contracts, this one is a little hard to swallow.

Tehran News is controlled by Ahmadi Nejad. Give it about as much creedence as you would Pravda.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-21-09 10:15 PM
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18. k*r thepeoplesvoice.org - excellent !
The Pakistani's have been in the middle of everything for a long time, since 1954 when they adopted
us as allies (big mistake) through the build up of the extremists Muslim fighters to destabalize
Soviet occupation of Afghanistan through the routing, on their part, of the Taliban. It's an amazing
story, really, and this general should not be dismissed.

http://thepeoplesvoice.org check it out.
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