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Segami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:50 PM Original message |
IF Obama REPEALED Just ONE Special-Interest TAX BREAK, It Would PAY For HEALTHCARE. Guess WHICH One. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Are you kidding me? That tax cut probably helps the middle class more than the wealthy |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That doesn't matter, the rich benefit. And anyone who makes a living building homes for the rich, |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. It disproportionatley benefits the wealthy. Thus, it is regressive. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. you could means-test the deduction |
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ctaylors6 (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
81. it is means-tested, in effect, with itemized deduction phaseout for high income levels |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. I thought regressive meant the more successful u r the more u r punished. nt |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. No, it's the other way around |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I'd like to see data on that other than Roger Lowenstein's word |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
48. here's the tax stats page |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 04:45 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Dump the deduction and you can be a big majority |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. yup, i seem to remember promises about not paying more taxes if you make less than 250,000 |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Ouch... good point. |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. That went away with increased cig taxes, and will even more with cap n trade.. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
91. I calculated the deduction into my budget when I bought --or I wouldn't have been able to afford it |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 05:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
56. That's not really an accurate description. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. i dont think i know anyone who dosent take this deduction, not sure where the OP gets this info |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Follow the link, then get back to me... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. I know lots of people who don't take this deduction |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. yes, and there will be A LOT more of them if this deduction is recinded |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Not necessarily. Canada & England don't have this deduction |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Not a fair comparison. You'd have to take the whole tax structure into consideration. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Uh, that's the point. Rescind the mortgage deduction get universal healthcare. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 05:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
58. It depends on if itemizing, including this, adds up to higher |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. The meat of the article is within the link... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Dredging the channel and building marinas benefits the rich too- but it also works for us schlubs. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Sadly, I suspect you aren't kidding. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. You realize of course that landlords would still be able to take the deduction |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. Well, I disagree |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I'd suggest an incremental approach |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. edited to add obnoxious eyes smilies |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. LOL |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
103. Probably? |
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katanalori (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
2. I guessed wrong. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I wonder - wouldn't it be Christian for them to pay the tax |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
87. +1 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-21-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. House prices are already "dropping through the floor" so the solution |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yeah, because we don't have enough foreclosures already |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. As long as it "gits da rich" that doesn't matter. It's like someone who stomps over homeless people |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. lol good one |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
41. Subsidizing the rich for something that they can already afford |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Now dropping the interest deduction on the second home |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 05:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
57. That's the idea. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
11. Maybe on new loans but not existing ones. It's not fair to change the rules like that. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. There is an argument to be made |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. You want to drive people who matter away from the party- fuck with the mortgage interest deduction. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. bingo you got it, im interested in the people for getting rid of the deduction |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Right because the majority of democrats make over 100,000 year. |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. lol so you are willing to sacrifice any family who makes more than $100,000 and owns a home |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Household income over $100,000 is about 16% of the population. |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Hmm. I'd say the last few years the financial world has indeed come crashing down. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. I believe it was Bush I who repealed that deduction and it was a hit for the middle class |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. My point was, it didn't stop people from using credit cards. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
73. No, your point is to tax some imaginary class of people who are a bottomless pit and vote GOP. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
49. my own modest suggestion |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
13. Without it, my modest 2 bedroom condo would be $400 more per month |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You rich bastard! Pay up! nt |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
66. That 400/month could pay for your healthcare premium. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. so you are suggesting everyone like me in the Bay Area get a $400/month tax increase |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. How much of your paycheck is given over to health insurance? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. i don't have a house, i have 900 sq foot condo |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. But you'd get HEALTH CARE for that $400...... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. i don't need healthcare for $400/month more and if i did ( different job) |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:58 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. How much are you currently paying for health care? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. so i should move away from my hometown, my family and friends |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Cheer up, your housing values may fall enough to make it a wash! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. falling home values are primarily why i can't relocate at all right now |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. All of our lives are or are about to be impacted by falling house prices and... |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
18. It helps the middle class too much, but perhaps they can cap it. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. How can you help the middle class "too much"? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
63. I read that to mean, "too much to do away with it" |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
93. Helps the middle class too much to eliminate it. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. benefits "well to do" - as in middle class ppl with a job lololol nt |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
21. Frankly, I highly suspect the forces behind repealing this. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Some real fuzzy logic... |
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Merlot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
35. In So Cal, a million dollar mortgage (pre-bubble) would get you a three bed |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
36. FAIL, MASSIVE FAIL |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Yep, it'll go great with that MANDATED payment to some insurance company. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
95. Might be |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
45. so I would no longer |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
46. well this writer is sorta catching up to me |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
55. So we would get.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
59. And, most importantly, let's do this before we... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #59 |
88. +1 |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
60. Homeowners should pay for your health care? |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
61. With the gov'mint desparately... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
62. Those same people (whether they can take the deduction or not) |
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uberblonde (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
64. Sounds satirical. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
67. Worst idea ever. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
71. That's the wrong way to fund health care. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
89. No, that tax deduction for children is to help children ultimately and it shouldn't just help 2 |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Obviously. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. most effective way to reduce population growth is to increase standard of living |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. That's certainly one way. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. But I was responding to you and your post, not the OP |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. It's hard to have a really substantive discussion |
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NJGeek (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
72. FAIL - riots in the streets |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
78. Here's a LOT MORE $ to go after $2.3 TRILLION MISSING IN DEFENSE UNDER RUMSFELD: |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
80. Homeowners are not special interests. The foreclosure list isn't big enough now? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
85. I knew that. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
86. Yeah, let's take aim at the only tax deduction most middle class folks can take. |
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TxRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-22-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
94. Go tell my sister, a teacher, it has no use... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-23-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
98. you win the "how to drive the most voters away from your party" award. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-24-09 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
102. YES! What this economy needs is to make housing more expensive! |
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