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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:06 PM
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"Produce The Note" Movement Helps Stall Foreclosures

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/whos-got-the-mortgage-pro_n_294169.html


Who Owns Your Mortgage? "Produce The Note" Movement Helps Stall Foreclosures


Modern-day home mortgages have been so sliced and diced by rapacious financiers that some homeowners are successfully delaying -- or even blocking -- foreclosures through the simple tactic of demanding that banks produce the original mortgage note, which amazingly enough is often not so easy for them to do.

As the foreclosure rate continues to set new highs, a little-noticed legal provision that requires bankers, if challenged, to prove they hold the original mortgage documents before getting possession has spawned a minor homeowner rebellion, alternately called "produce the note" or "show me the note". For homeowners trying desperately to keep their homes, the tactic is one way to buy some time -- and maybe even get the upper hand on the lender.

"You wouldn't imagine that the lenders would be that slovenly that they would not be able to produce adequate documentation of the debt," said House Financial Services Committee member Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.). "But apparently a lot of times they really have been unable to."

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In Florida, Jacksonville Area Legal Aid attorney April Charney has been using the missing-note argument since she first identified the lenders' weakness in 2004. She began arguing that those initiating foreclosure proceedings on behalf of securitized pools of mortgage loans had no right to do so, because they couldn't prove they actually owned the debt.

Five years later, some of those homeowners are still in their homes, she says. Because of the missing ownership documentation, Charney is now starting to file quiet title actions, hoping to get her homeowner clients full title to their homes (a quiet title action "quiets" all other claims).

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In dismissing 14 foreclosure cases in 2007 based on a lack of proper documentation, a federal judge in Ohio admonished the lenders, stating their argument that "'Judge, you just don't understand how things work'...reveals a condescending mindset and quasi-monopolistic system where financial institutions have traditionally controlled, and still control, the foreclosure process."

A recent study of foreclosures in bankruptcy by Katherine M. Porter, a visiting professor at the U.C. Berkeley School of Law, found that in 40 percent of cases creditors foreclosing on borrowers did not show the note. It's what consumer rights advocates and strict judges are seizing on.

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Some in Congress are trying to make it easier for homeowners. Rep. Marcy Kaptur, an Ohio Democrat, introduced a bill in February with Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) that would actually prohibit foreclosures unless lenders produced necessary documentation in court, including the note and evidence that the homeowner was, in fact, notified each time the note was transferred.

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The bill is languishing in the House Financial Services Committee, headed by Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), she said.

"I think that they need to hasten their attention to matters like this, which actually give the American people some leverage with these really big institutions," she said. "I would hope that the Financial Services Committee would see this as part of their mission."

Kaptur said she's going to push to have her bill included as part of the impending financial regulatory overhaul
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:09 PM
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1. I think this is awesome, and also funny...
on the other hand it also worries me. Fundamental legal frameworks are malfunctioning.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:17 PM
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3. No, fundamental legal frameworks are working just perfectly
Greedy banks that didn't do their homework are losing out because the fundamental legal frameworks (eg, you can't kick somebody out of his house without documentation) are working fine.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:18 PM
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4. It's Better Than People Willingly Defaulting
In order to walk away from a bad investment.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:13 PM
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2. Has this worked for anyone? I missed my first mortgage payment last month
Apparently the foreclosure doesn't kick off until three payments are missed.

I'm still not sure if it's even worth it to stall, because like almost everyone else I owe the bank much more than my home is worth.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:26 PM
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5. Why would owing the bank more than the house is worth make it OK to default?
We're all in that boat, to some degree--we've all suffered a loss of home value. If you've only missed one payment, you have time to talk to your bank and try to arrange lower payments, call a debt counselor to intervene, something so that you don't have to foreclose.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:36 PM
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6.  ask for the note...make them prove they have original paperwork.
on the process myself and they cant find one... were still making payments but talking with mr. lawyer on how to proceed since they havent been able to determine who has the original note and its been 3 months now.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:46 PM
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7. Because I'm broke and jobless.
My UI benefits aren't nearly enough to pay any significant part of my mortgage payment. Eating is my top priority right now.

I haven't given up looking for a job, but it's certainly tough out there.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:51 PM
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8. Have you explained your situation to your mortgage holder? Because
they don't want yet another foreclosure, I'll bet--they probably have tons of them as it is. The value of your house doesn't really enter into the picture, what matters is that you have a monthly obligation that you can't meet and might possibly be homeless unless something happens--I hope you're looking into any state or federal resources or help available, and good luck, hope your situation turns around.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:00 PM
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9. I've talked to them once and it was kind of left at..
"Let's see what happens this month and we'll discuss it further in October". You're probably right that they'll want to work with me, I haven't missed a payment in 8 years, until now.

This will all end if I can find a job before November. I'm so frugal now that any paycheck will seem like winning the lottery.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:16 PM
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10. Well, give them a call in Oct., then, and
ask them what you should do until you find a job--you don't want to blow 8 years of faithful payments, you have a great track record and probably a good credit score still. If the payments were just too impossibly much even while you WERE employed, I can sort of see just wanting to get out from under that house, but joblessness is hopefully just a temporary problem for you. I can't help but think that with the Homeowner Assistance stuff that was passed by Congress, there's got to be SOME help for you, somewhere, to keep you in your house for the time being--and yes, if it comes down to it, try to stall by asking for the note.
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