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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:57 PM
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Killing of KY census worker is a Federal death penalty case in the making.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001114----000-.html

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 51 > § 1114.
Protection of officers and employees of the United States

Whoever kills or attempts to kill any officer or employee of the United States or of any agency in any branch of the United States Government (including any member of the uniformed services) while such officer or employee is engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties, or any person assisting such an officer or employee in the performance of such duties or on account of that assistance, shall be punished—

(1) in the case of murder, as provided under section 1111;
(2) in the case of manslaughter, as provided under section 1112; or
(3) in the case of attempted murder or manslaughter, as provided in section 1113.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001111----000-.html



TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 51 > § 1111.

Murder

(a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed, is murder in the first degree.

Any other murder is murder in the second degree.

(b) Within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States,

Whoever is guilty of murder in the first degree shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for life;

Whoever is guilty of murder in the second degree, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

(c) For purposes of this section—
(1) the term “assault” has the same meaning as given that term in section 113;
(2) the term “child” means a person who has not attained the age of 18 years and is—
(A) under the perpetrator’s care or control; or
(B) at least six years younger than the perpetrator;
(3) the term “child abuse” means intentionally or knowingly causing death or serious bodily injury to a child;
(4) the term “pattern or practice of assault or torture” means assault or torture engaged in on at least two occasions;
(5) the term “serious bodily injury” has the meaning set forth in section 1365; and
(6) the term “torture” means conduct, whether or not committed under the color of law, that otherwise satisfies the definition set forth in section 2340 (1). Search this title:




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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 04:59 PM
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1. Have they determined if it was murder?
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:02 PM
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2. Yeah right - he committed suicide and scrawled "FED" on his own body as a note...
:eyes:

If your IQ is larger than your shoe size it's pretty clear this was a murder most likely in the first degree.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:03 PM
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3. Them feds is a sneaky bunch! nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:05 PM
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4. Didn't bother reading the other thread, did you?
FBI's investigating the possibility of suicide.

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:07 PM
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5. Yeah SO? You REALLY think that the guy killed himself and wrote FED on himself?
:eyes:

YOU can't be THAT dumb even if the FBI is pretending to be that dumb.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:10 PM
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6. I think hanging is a pretty common form of suicide.
I don't know if the suicide rate increases for people dying of cancer, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I also don't know if the rates of faking a murder during the course of suicide, particularly when it comes to insurance fraud, but I wouldn't rule that out either.

What I wouldn't do, is jump to the conclusion of murder. AND the death penalty. Because that's just fucking stupid.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:13 PM
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7. That just makes you just incredibly naive...
Of COURSE it's NOT a murder.

Some redneck Glen Bekker killed the guy.

People don't commit suicide in that manner. They might fake an attack like backwards B girl but they don't commit suicide that way and if you believe that you are just incredibly naive.

:eyes:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:14 PM
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8. ...
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:20 PM
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11. Yeah whatever you apparently will wait for the FBI to declare that 2+2=4.
Right now you're going:

2+2 = I'm not sure... let's wait and see..

:eyes:

Apparently the FBI has your brain. You might want to ask for it back.

:eyes:
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:57 PM
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14. oh boy,
that Ignored is up to shenanigans again I see!
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:50 PM
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18. Yep. I see that too.
And from the looks of the other side of the convo, Ignored got PWNED. Not surprising.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:16 PM
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9. We'll have to wait for more info to come out.
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Unrepentant Fenian Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:20 PM
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10. Teabagger with the "Yellow Snake" flag I'm sure !
They've been ragging about the census for a while & bringing guns to political events. This kind of crap is going to backfire on them BIG Time (I hope).
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:39 PM
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12. Or he stumbled over a meth lab or a still...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 05:52 PM
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13. Its not jumping to conclusions to acknowledge that it seems very dubious(nt)
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:30 PM
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15. Didn't Hannity and Rush rail against Obama about the census not that long ago
I didn't pay much attention to what all the fuss was supposed to be about but I DO remember them shrieking about it daily - that OBAMA was going to enact some nefarious plan by sending "his" gubment workers out and they were going to be at YOUR HOUSE so WATCH OUT.

What was all that? It looks like their hate found it's mark. Sad. Very, very sad.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:33 PM
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16. I don't care who's in charge in Washington...
There are places in this country I would not go to alone as a census taker.... Or identifiable federal employee.

Rural Kansas is one of them, or NC, or a few other rural places where irrational hermits and such like to go hide. Or make Meth, or distill booze, or whatever they do out there.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:07 PM
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19. That is frickin' scary. n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-24-09 10:40 AM
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20. and for those areas, sorry, they should just count the houses & figure them as whatever color is the
majority in that county, and move on...
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 07:48 PM
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17. I'll wait for facts.
I can speculate about all sorts of things. Seems like a waste of time.

Now, was he killed? Probably. Possibly it was suicide; this isn't the way to bet, IMO, but still let's not rule out possibilities based upon hard, concrete speculation.

Was he killed by a RWer? Well, Kentucky is fairly conservative, so that's the way to bet. Was he killed by the RWer because the RWer was a RWer? That's rather more dubious. Was he killed because he was in the wrong area at the wrong time? Well, obviously. Question is, what was "wrong" about his being there, from the killer's perspective?

Now, he had "fed" written on him, and we can assume he wasn't killed by a hungry person. But does having "fed" written there mean that's why he was killed? Or was it discovered, upon looking through his wallet, that he was a census worker and this was a nice distraction. Or a secondary cause of rage.

However it strikes me that there's a decent chance that he wasn't killed as he was working in an official capacity or because of his official capacity. Of course, that entails there's a decent chance he *was* killed for one or both of those reasons.

Facts. We have few. We need many. We have time, especially since nothing obvious in this case crucially depends upon what peope on DU think. (I.e., we're completely irrelevant, although this is a fun sport.)
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