At Some Point, Victims of the Holocaust Need To Speak Out

[Yavin4]

about these inane comparisons to Nazis and Hitler. At some point, they need to make a general statement to news organizations and political leaders that constant comparisons of Obama's policies to government sanctioned genocide are insulting to the victims of that genocide. Also, they serve to dilute the history of that atrocity by mis-educating the youth as to what actually happened.

[Demeter]

1. Most of Hitler's Victims are Dead

It was 70 years ago, after all.

You can't cure stupid, and that's what this is. You can just keep hammering the factual information, relate it to ordinary lives, and get the TVs turned off in disgust at the lies.

[Yavin4]

3. There Are A Few That Are Still Alive

And there are many others who are close relatives of the victims. They need to speak out.

[Happyhippychick]

2. As do the Jewish members of Congress. The Holocaust victims are very elderly.

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. Yeah, why hasn't Lieberman said something about this?

He can summon up outrage about video games, Presidential blow jobs or anyone questioning Likud supremacy in the Middle East, but when Freepers cheapen the Holocaust, not a word from Holy Joe? :shrug:

[RagAss]

7. It is a silence that screams !

[Happyhippychick]

10. How about asshat Eric Cantor saying something to his OWN PARTY of anti-semites?

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. Even better example

...but he backed down from Mush Limpdick, and hasn't responded to Ed Schultz calling him out on TV and radio, so that's not likely either.

[Happyhippychick]

18. Maybe we need to make it a viral thing. "Eric what would your grandparents say about comparing

someone to Hitler?"

[The Straight Story]

5. Said it before - we did the same thing here for 8 years, why is it different? (nt)

[Yavin4]

6. There's An Ocean's Worth of Difference

In the end, we're just random people posting on a message board. We're not cable news hosts on a major network nor are we elected leaders in office who have no problems appearing at rallies where images of Obama as Hitler are prominentl portrayed.

And, when DailyKos had an extremely limited link to an organization comparing Bush to Hitler all hell did break loose.

[The Straight Story]

8. But if we think the comparison is wrong for others, than why not us?

Noting what you said about news orgs/etc if we think it demeans the holocaust and so forth why would encourage here?

[Happyhippychick]

11. The comparisons were made to Bush because he started two wars. Who has Obama killed?

I do agree that it was not entirely appropriate to do it to Bush either but at least there is some justification.

[The Straight Story]

16. And those wars are now defunded and ended and no one else is dying? (nt)

[Yavin4]

12. In the End, You Are Correct

However, we are not media nor political leaders. When people who have major influence make that comparison to Obama, it needs to be shouted down, as was the case with DailyKos, even though that comparison was tangential.

[The Straight Story]

17. And moveon.org did as well - and here is a history of political leaders here called hitler:

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/AnalogiesUSPresHitlerMegan.htm

[Sebastian Doyle]

20. The comparisons between Chimpy and Hitler were based in reality.

His grandfather is the one who funded Adolf's rise to power. And the methods used by the Bush Crime Family (both in propaganda and tactics) were right out of the Hitler playbook.

Of course there were differences. Hitler did have a much higher body count. We don't know exactly how many people were murdered on Chimpy's orders, but it's easily less than 50 million, and probably even under the 12 million directly attributed to the Holocaust (6 million Jews & 6 million gays, gypsies, and others)

On the other hand he actually served his country in World War I. And actually had a couple of genuine successes for Germany (The Autobahn and Volkswagen) before he went into full on genocidal madman mode. Chimpy can't even claim that much. He did exactly nothing before the Reichstag 9/11 and nothing worthy after.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. Hell, my family suffered personally under Stalin....

My grandparents were forced to flee their homeland with my infant mother because Stalin's thugs were after them, and several of my great aunts/uncles were actually deported to Siberia by Stalin.

To compare anything regarding Obama to Stalinism is so utterly insulting it boils my blood.

[RedCloud]

15. And the Nazis killed over 56,000,000 in the USSR!

This never gets mentioned by our "liberal" press. So it is crazy to equate fascism with Stalinism.

And the USA quickly kissed the butts of enemy Germany and Japan right after WWII and "lost" the USSR's aid application. Once Stalin saw how much could get done by Gulag labor to partially compensate, it was hell on earth and about 20,000,000 more died at this cruelty.

[Behind the Aegis]

13. Maybe it is about coverage

ADL Says Use Of Nazi Imagery In Health Care Debate 'Outrageous And Inappropriate'

New York, NY, August 7, 2009 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called attempts by some opponents of health care reform to bring Nazi imagery into the debate, "outrageous, deeply offensive and inappropriate" and condemned remarks by talk-show host Rush Limbaugh, who compared President Obama's health care logo to a swastika, and policies championed by the Democratic Party to those of the Nazis.

"Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor. "Americans should be able to disagree on the issues without coloring it with Nazi imagery and comparisons to Hitler. This is not where the debate should be at all."

In recent days, street protests against President Obama's health care plan have gotten ugly, with some protestors appearing in photographs wearing swastika and SS symbols.

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"Comparisons to the Nazis are deeply offensive and only serve to diminish and trivialize the extent of the Nazi regime's crimes against humanity and the murder of six million Jews and millions of others in the Holocaust," said Mr. Foxman. "I don't see any comparison here. It's off-center, off-issue and completely inappropriate."

source

[Warpy]

19. I think the ones left alive would like to do so in peace

so it's up to the secondary witnesses to speak out, people like me who saw a lot of tattooed forearms in Boston in the 70s and 80s.

The Holocaust happened.

The deniers are pure scum.