why aren't liberals as loud as rethuglicans?

[democrat0986]

a recent poll suggest that approval numbers for the public option are in the 60s. yet a small group of people is getting tons of media focus and attention, making it seem like they are the majority. the rethuglicans had 75,000 people show up for a protest in DC. and all we seem to do is sit here and cry on DU. i'm 1,700 miles away from DC and can not get out there to protest but damnit! why can't we get ourselves organized and come out with an enormous show of support for the public option in DC? i know this is possible, i just watched the rethuglicans do it. why are we sitting around here bitching about the public option being shunted. why can't liberals get off their fucking asses and do something about it. i don't see us on the news protesting. i don't see us at town hall meetings, pressuring conservadems to support the public option. what the hell are we doing? it's now or never ladies and gentlement. we need some organization in this party (weather your progressive or democrat). we need to do something.

[anniebelle]

1. Something about being loud and obnoxious those Repukes just can't help.

Every time I see one on a "talk" show or pitted one-on-one against a Democrat, the screamer will always be the repuke. Just sayin'.

[democrat0986]

2. do you mean to say...

that we can't look intelligent and still make our voices heard loud and clear? because i disagree. the time is now. if we aren't loud enough, it will never happen.

[Raine]

3. Liberals are mature and don't like

to carry on like babies needing a diaper change, IMO. I wish they would start getting loud but it doesn't seem to be in their nature to behave that way. :shrug:

[Selatius]

4. Liberals are always re-evaluating their stance in the light of new information.

People who are afraid of change, on the other hand, never consume their energy re-evaluating their positions once they adopt them, so they spend all their energy screaming for their positions.

[napi21]

5. It seems to me that all the Pubs are just flat out mean.

Watch a cable news show sometime when they have a Pub & a Dem giving their opinions. The Dem will give a rational explaination to the question and the Pub spews venemous hate! I think it has something to do with Dems caring enough about other people and not wanting to treat them like dirt, while the Pubs think ME ME ME ME ME.

[pnwmom]

6. Liberals are empathic, which is why they're liberals.

If you can put yourself in someone else's shoes, you don't want to mistreat them. And you actually want the best for them.

[Eric68601]

7. Liberals

Liberals don't need to scream that they want freedom, while trying to intimidate others by threatening to bring guns next time.

Since when does Intimidation = Freedom ?

[Believing Is Art]

8. I think there's a myriad of reasons

They got beat. It's natural to whine and cry after suffering a defeat. Perhaps a sad part of human nature, but such is life.

Their representatives don't set a good example - both those in Congress and in the media. Joe Wilson, Bill O'Reilly, etc., show them that to get all the attention you just have to be loud and interrupt people.

As the base shrinks, the concentration of evangelical Christians in the Republican party rises. They're witnessing. It might not be scripture, but it doesn't really matter. It's just the way they are wired. It's why the Republicans can get people to vote against their interests; they believe everything in the Bible must be taken as a whole. Their heroes (Beck, Palin, Matthew, Mark, Luke . . .) can tell no lies. They cannot accept just pieces of the right-wing platform. They must take it in its entirety. To them, it's holy word and they're a-preachin'.

And a point that is perhaps more sensitive is the post-9/11 right wing mentality. In the wake of the terrorist attacks, all anyone on the right had to say to get their way was "nine eleven." The dems caved on everything in fear of looking like they hate America or whatever. These people are used to getting their way without using rationale and they don't understand why it's not working anymore. The national dialogue on everything got dumb and lazy after 9/11 and the left shares some of the blame for that because we didn't have a spine. The RWers are desperate and flailing. Anyone on the right that has something resembling a brain can't make fair and honest arguments against the current health care proposals (or suggest viable alternatives), because the collective mentality of the base is so atrophied. If it wouldn't sound good on a bumper sticker, it's too much for them to handle.

We just don't operate the same way they do, though in some cases I think some mimicry might not hurt our cause . . .

edit: typo

[gopiscrap]

17. Exactly!!!!

[notesdev]

9. Where have you been?

The universe didn't just invert on January 20th, you know.

We've had plenty of anti-war protests just as loud as... ah, there's your answer.

[elocs]

16. Absolutely right! Liberals and Democrats conceded the town hall meetings all summer to the freepers

What? On vacation? The freepers certainly were not tired and found it important enough to show up. This was especially sad when it occurred in a district with a Democratic member of Congress.

[NNN0LHI]

10. Because they shoot us when we do

Google "Kent State shootings" once.

Don

[westerebus]

11. The lion when hunting does not roar. n/t

[treestar]

12. You're right

And the protest would not have to include screaming - it could be a huge dignified crowd - just huge.

Liberals tend to have these in stone idealizations that we must never be in lock-step - somehow that is so important, that it's more important than getting anything resembling what we want. We apparently prefer to be victims, and if we got what we wanted, we couldn't be victims. We got comfortable with the concept of being right and being victimized and winning makes us out of our comfort zone.

Here is a black man that managed to get himself elected President - no wonder he doesn't give a shit about Wilson but wants to move on. He knows he can do anything. But we'd rather sit here and post about how he's the victim.

I went on one local march - MoveOn does a good job of organizing these things via computer. So there is no friggin' excuse whatsoever.

[Umbral]

13. I'm not interested in trying to out crazy the crazies.

Besides, the best solution - the solution everyone here knows is the only real remedy to the health care problem - it isn't even a possibility. I'm supposed to get passionate over half measures and tokenism? The leadership within the Democratic Party knows what the solution is too, and they are unwilling to seriously entertain the option. Hell, even the Republicans know what needs to be done, they're just ideologically unable to admit it. I'm getting sick of the chastising tone so many take - blaming the rank and file - for what amounts to a failure of leadership.

[TransitJohn]

15. Wish I could rec your reply here.

:patriot:

[TransitJohn]

14. We are. It's the corporatist media.

I can't believe that anyone would think that the US media espouses a left viewpoint...that's just stupid. Like some of the biggest corporations on the planet would espouse leftist viewpoints that would endanger profits. :rofl:

[Archbishop]

18. Because we know we are the majority

While the Freepers are dillusional and think they are. We don't need to be loud when the polls do the screaming for us.

[Gabi Hayes]

19. it's not so much a matter of being as loud. it's all about who's carrying their 'message.'

it's all about the concentration of RW power in most media, M$M, internet, local/national radio

why do you think most of the public thinks ACORN is a MASSIVELY funded crooked arm of the democratic party, while they have no idea of who the real beneficiaries of endemic corporate/government corruption might be?

EDIT: sorta dupe about the corporatist media post....missed that one

[democrat0986]

20. we don't have to be obnoxious...

to get our voices heard. but if we sit around and quietly let the public option get shafted, how can we justifiably bitch that it got happened? we don't have to yell and scream and make ourselves look like fools. but why should we sit idly by and watch the rethuglicans center all the attention on why they think the public option is a bad thing. we may be talking all the time about why we think they are fools and look like fools but at least they are being talked about. we have to change the debate from, "why are the republicans saying all these things?" and "why are there so many republicans protesting the public option?" to "why do the liberals have so many good points?" and "why are there so many liberals in a march on DC?" they are setting the tone for this debate and they are the minority. it doesn't matter if you are the silent majority. if the minority is louder, they seem like they are the majority. are we really going to let this pass us by AGAIN? as an uninsured 23 year old alabama resident with no health insurance, this debate effects me more than most. i'm tired of this shit. every time i get sick i have to take bed rest and just hope for the best.