America's longest 'wars', same shit, different president?

[Philosoraptor]

Man, was I stupid and naive to dare to dream that bush's two endless wars would end. Now I don't see them as bush's wars anymore, but America's.

Wars that aren't really wars, wars without end, wars without a noble purpose, wars that are more or less forgotten by the American sheeple, except for those who are directly affected by it, wars that no one wants to own, or end.

I expected better from Obama and his administration, and I still hold out hope, but to me this looks like the same old bush shit. I'm tired of the never ending justifications and bullshit excuses for continuing these obscenities we call wars.

[HamdenRice]

1. Have you noticed that the administration is winding down Iraq? nt

[NoPasaran]

2. Of course not

It doesn't fit the Obama = Bush meme so fashionable with the "progressive" suicide cult.

[madokie]

3. I notice that

I think the Iraqi notices that but many here in America apparently don't. I don't propose to know how to end all this and I do know it took a long time to get us here and more than likely it'll take a long time to make it right if it ever can be.

[Bandit]

8. Didn't I read here last week where three thousand new troops were sent to Iraq?

Remember these infamous words..."Beginning on Day ONE"...."One Brigade a Month"

[rug]

26. Did they?

http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx

[NRaleighLiberal]

4. It is Afghanistan that is the scary one. did we learn nothing from what the Russians experienced?

Let me broaden that. Do people in general ever learn from the past - period...??? I suspect hardly at all.

[unhappycamper]

5. Unfortunately, I must agree with you.

Obama appears to be pwoned on the ever continuing occupations.

[Autumn]

6. He bought them ,

which is a shame.

[FarCenter]

7. The plan was to pull out two brigades from Iraq by September

But most of the 130,000 in Iraq as of March 2009 were going to stay through the elections in January 2010.

If the Iraqi elections go as well as the Afghan elections, who knows whether they will withdraw more?

[Statistical]

9. I thought the original plan was 1 brigade per month starting on day one?

[FarCenter]

11. As of March 2009, the plan was to take out 12,000 by September

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5270XI20090308
U.S. to cut Iraq troop strength by 12,000

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United States will reduce the number of troops in Iraq by around 12,000 in the next six months, the U.S. military said on Sunday, a step in President Barack Obama's plan to end combat operations in August 2010.

Hours earlier, a suicide bomber killed 28 people as recruits gathered at a Baghdad police academy, the first large-scale attack in the capital in almost a month.

"Two brigade combat teams who were scheduled to redeploy in the next six months, along with enabling forces such as logistics, engineers and intelligence, will not be replaced," the U.S. military said in a statement.

Reducing the number of U.S. combat brigades in Iraq from 14 to 12 will cut the number of American troops by 12,000 from around 140,000 now, said Major-General David Perkins, spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq.

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If combat brigades are 6,000 each, then removing all 14 by August 2010 would leave 140 - 14*6 = 56 thousand in Iraq thereafter.

[LynneSin]

10. Did you sleep when Obama spoke about wrapping these up in about 18 months

He only said it like a dozen times and btw he still has about 10 months left. And they are working to get us out of Iraq - I see that actively happening.

I'd recommend this thread if it wasn't so ignorant of what Obama said countless times during the election.

[Statistical]

14. So 40% of the way through this "timeline" and troops have been reduced 10%.

See anything wrong with that?

I also remember clearly him saying 1 brigade a month starting from day one. Well by that promise that would be about 50,000 troops so far.

[leddytech]

21. wha?

Of what Obama said during the election?

Words are cheap... look at the ACTIONS.

[blues90]

12. I doubt it matters who the president is.

These attacks are all to protect corporate interests , not just Iraq and Afghanistan but well before this.

Now we are going back to the scene of the so called crime, Afghanistan where there were terrorist training camps? If any of the official story is true the terrorists trained right here , there are no flight schools I saw in Afghanistan.

People seem to forget that the main purpose was to get the oil and a pipeline from the Caspian sea, the rest was just a selling point and a distraction.

We installed the puppet government in Iraq and Afghanistan and we talk about the people there voting , are you kidding me?

[Dulcinea]

15. We have a winner! ding*ding*

"These attacks are all to protect corporate interests, not just Iraq and Afghanistan but well before this."

The corporate interests are the same, no matter which party is in power.

Read John Perkins. It's all about oil.

[leftstreet]

13. K&R

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. But, it's now politically correct to be hawks with "our" guys in charge of the killing. K&R

[bvar22]

17. But wait!...If you send in more troops today......

According to Bill Moyers yesterday:

The "Generals" are calling for 40,000 MORE troops for Afghanistan in addition to the 18,000 Obama has already sent.
According to internal reports, they actually NEED 500,000 (300,000 trained Afghani + 200,000 "coalition" troops), but "they" figure that all they can get away with is asking for 40,000 NOW and MORE later to reduce the "sticker shock".
They can't even maintain the Status Quo with current troop levels.

Puts Obama between a rock and a hard place.
He should have NEVER campaigned on winning in Afghanistan.

Will he turn his back on The Left,
or will he turn his back on The Generals?

Out NOW!
No Military Objective + No Exit Strategy = Stupid WAR

[Gabi Hayes]

18. guess moyers learned his lesson as LBJ's press sec, when he helped justify

escalating over and over and over in the dems' version of Iraq, back in the day....

just sayin'

[bvar22]

19. Bill Moyers agrees with you.

He freely talks about experiencing all this before.
Deja Vu.

Unlike you, he IS working hard to give the voice of opposition, wisdom and experience an outlet, not working to marginalize it.

[Trillo]

20. Classic Orwell. Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia (IIRC)

The three main powers were in perpetual warfare with each other, but to most folks, even though they knew these wars were ongoing, it was no big deal.

[Xicano]

22. +1 K&R.

Corporate America's wars. When are we going to get our country back from the corporate powers?

[Philosoraptor]

23. ...............

[bigwillq]

24. Same shit

Different president.

We should be exiting Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as humanly possible.

[democracy1st]

25. K & R same ol bs