So the "fed" census taker was not a suicide...horrible details emerge

[CocoaBeachCoco]

The only thing he had on was a pair of socks," Weaver said. "And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something."

Two people briefed on the investigation said various details of Weaver's account matched the details of the crime scene....

Authorities have said a preliminary cause of death was asphyxiation, pending a full medical examination. According to a Kentucky State Police statement, the body was hanging from a tree with a rope around the neck, yet it was in contact with the ground.

"And they even had duct tape around his neck," Weaver said. "And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder."

...He could see writing on Sparkman's chest, but could not read that it said "fed."

Authorities have said the word was scrawled with a felt-tip pen.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/09/23/national/w140345D22.DTL&tsp=1

[Obamanaut]

1. And Michael Jackson remains dead. nt

[CocoaBeachCoco]

2. ??

[scarletwoman]

4. I think the poster is indirectly pointing out the fact that there are already a brazillion threads

in GD either citing this same exact news story, or having ongoing discussions about this case. In other words, your OP is old news.

[CocoaBeachCoco]

10. Sorry for the "old news". It seems people don't pass an opportunity to be snide about it

[kestrel91316]

3. You post insults the memory of a lynched federal employee. Hope you are proud.

[hlthe2b]

6. How demeaning.... What is wrong with you?

[lunatica]

5. I think all previous threads on this subject are legitimate

It turns out it's OK to jump to conclusions and it's OK to refrain from jumping to conclusions. I'm sorry this happened to that lovely man. I also don't hold an entire county or community responsible for this. We need to understand this crime was committed by one or a few people. It could and can happen anywhere.

[hlthe2b]

8. It could happen ANYWHERE?

Geebus. You really believe most communities harbor such hate-filled factions?

[lunatica]

13. Yes.

If you think I need to elaborate I first wonder where you live that you think human hatred doesn't exist there.

[hlthe2b]

18. First, I never said hatred does not live everywhere.

So, until you stop misrepresenting what I am saying, I think I will leave it there.

[BlooInBloo]

29. It *could* happen anywhere, but *does it*? Not so much...

The notion that all locations are equally likely to have lynchings is a pretty evil lie, meant only to cover for those who perpetrate approximately 95% of all lynchings.



EDIT: Forgot linky. http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_lyn_tot-crime-lynchings-total

[lunatica]

34. Do you think this was a lynching?

My understanding is that lynchings are against black people perpetrated by white supremacists. Other than that there is a type of crime that's called a hate crime. Kentucky isn't the criminal. Neither is the county or the closest town. I would be truly shocked if more than a couple of people committed this crime.

I really don't agree with stereotyping States or counties. This crime could have been committed anywhere

[BlooInBloo]

36. Anybody *can* be lynched. It just so happens that white folks have taken a perverse enjoyment...

in lynching black folks.

But anybody *can* be.

[geckosfeet]

37. Your understanding of lynching is incorrect. And if you think this could happen

in downtown NY please pass whatever it is that you have been imbibing. It must be reality bending material.

Lynching:
Lynching is an extrajudicial punishment meted by a mob, usually by hanging. It is an enumerated felony in all states of the United States, defined by some codes of law as "Any act of violence inflicted by a mob upon the body of another person which results in the death of the person," with a 'mob' being defined as "the assemblage of two or more persons, without color or authority of law, for the premeditated purpose and with the premeditated intent of committing an act of violence upon the person of another."

[lunatica]

42. NY doesn't have hate crimes?

Okey dokey! Thanks for setting me straight!

:rofl:

[Warren Stupidity]

43. lynching. stay on target.

[lunatica]

47. who said this was a lynching?

I'm saying it was a murder.

What target are you talking about? I don't see one.

[geckosfeet]

60. Errrr. Hanging a duct taped guy from a tree with an epithet scrawled

on his body in a western Kentucky hillbilly dialect - won't happen in NY any time soon.

Now, if some butt-head were to come to town and start crying about lynchings on the city streets - well, maybe a hate crime would occur.

[CTyankee]

52. I am proud to say that not one of the New England states is on this list.

I'm so glad to be living in CT...

[CherokeeDem]

14. Yes, Hate is Everywhere,,,,,

I live in KY and I know very good people, including relatives, who live in the area where Mr. Sparkman was killed. Good and bad exist side by side regardless of location. I have lived in a few other states; people hate everywhere. The good thing is that there are more good people than bad.

[hlthe2b]

17. Hate may exist everywhere, but I hardly think these kind of events

are likely to occur everywhere. That is a deep seated form of hate and one without concern for consequences. I'm not blaming the commuity in Kentucky--just that they have the unfortunate circumstance of having this intense level of hate that would call to action, amongst their populace.

[BlooInBloo]

31. Don't listen to the liars. It's perfectly well known that the vast, overwhelming number of lynchings

Occur within one region of the country.

On such issues, all location are NOT equal - despite what the liars say.

[Mimosa]

58. So, the Beltway Sniper wasn't motivated by hate? n/t

[maglatinavi]

16. hlthe2b

I would recommend to you and every one to 'THINK OR RESEARCH Birmingham, Alabama'. The henious crime and concealment of the murder of three Freedom Riders advocating equality for African Americans in the 60's. The law enforcement authorities then were involved in the crime and participated in the concealment. The illogical statement of the authorities in this present case shows how little the "deep South" has progressed. Not even a stupid moron would believe that the authorities really believe for a second that they cannot determine if this crime was a suicide. Who do they think we are? Morons? Retards?
:rant: :kick: :thumbsdown:

[hlthe2b]

22. I lived much of my formative years & early adult years in the South

I know the history quite well, as well as what has changed (and what has not). Yes, we have white supremacist factions less than a 1oo miles north of me in Colorado, as well as other western states. Hatred DOES exist everywhere. But those extremely isolated areas that exist in some areas of the deep rural south and the "hollers" of West Virginia or Kentucky, are a different thing altogether.

[nashville_brook]

49. omg -- spewed coffee. "who do you think we are? mormons? retards?"

that's f'n funny.

[NOLALady]

56. Neshoba County, Miss

The 3 freedom riders were killed in Mississippi.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Obviously it was auto-erotic asphyxiation.

[maglatinavi]

19. Bloo

I regret to say that I think you are sarcastically, 'moronically' stupid. How did you get into a democratic thread???:kick: :kick: :kick:

[lunatica]

23. I would recommend you not mess with Bloo

Not a good idea.

[BlooInBloo]

24. What? I'm a teddy bear!

[lunatica]

30. I rest my case

[BlooInBloo]

32. I regret that you said anything at all.

[geckosfeet]

38. Obviously. But it could happen anywhere.

[BlooInBloo]

41. Well-played.

[TheWraith]

9. Can't believe somebody unrecommended this.

Sour grapes, I guess. Can never believe that some people here are SO bound and determined to give the right wingers the benefit of the doubt.

[CocoaBeachCoco]

12. So many insist it was "moonshiners" and not the right-wing hate machine

As if they give US the same benefit of the doubt!

[jeepnstein]

In that area it could have been.

It's not very likely but it could have been a meth cook or pot grower. Taking the good time and trouble to hang someone is an indication of a desire to punish and kill. Hanging someone takes quite a bit of effort. They left his body on display. I'm figuring on it being a tin foiler gone wild. We've not heard the last of it.

[hlthe2b]

28. THey are not totally mutually exclusive, especially in that area

[McCamy Taylor]

45. Same thing. Anyone who uses murder against a legal federal agent is a terrorist

if their intention is to keep the government from performing its necessary functions. Which the census is. This was almost certainly an attempt to scare people away from doing census work--which will reveal a vastly changed demographic that will not be welcome news to rednecks.

If this guy was just murdered because he "knew too much" they would have buried the body, tried to hush it up. He was killed as a warning.

[nashville_brook]

55. eggsactly. it's really THAT simple.

"If this guy was just murdered because he "knew too much" they would have buried the body, tried to hush it up. He was killed as a warning."

wonderful clarity.

[nashville_brook]

51. and, as if "moonshiners" couldn't also be given to reich-wing paranoia and hate.

[BlooInBloo]

44. It doesn't fit in with the DU-idiot meme "this has nothing to do with KY, the south...

or anything remotely political".

[McCamy Taylor]

46. Would not want to be caught bashing the (Republican) south in a Democratic forum,

would we? This is the kind of twisted Democratic logic that let W. get away with murder and is preventing Obama from getting anything done.

[harkadog]

57. Isn't bashing regions against DU rules?

Maybe you don't have to follow them.

[nashville_brook]

53. so opened-minded their brains have fallen out -- i lived for 12 years in East TN, on the other side

of the mountains from Clay county KY. And I can tell you -- hell, anyone who lives there will tell you -- that mountain people are a seriously f'd-up, aggressive phenotype of "southerner." Mountain folk are suspicious of "outsiders" in a way that's almost Biblical in nature. As a matter of fact, "Biblical" is an apt description b/c their fear comes from the belief that outsiders are bringing evil into their closed, mountain world. They would actually say that outsiders bring "the WORLD into their community" which is anti-christian. they are "in the world, not OF the world." or vice versa -- the point is, they're supposed to fear and loathe everything that doesn't sit in the pews next to them at church (everything 'bad' is 'worldly').

I ran a liberal weekly newspaper (1991-94), and the conservatism we experienced was well-organized, angry and active back then. Advertisers were routinely harassed by phone trees of wing-nuts who got their marching orders in Church -- YES, church -- they'd recite scripture to the business owners. At one point, i shit you not, they held an Exorcism for downtown Johnson City, b/c of the bars, AIDS Project and liberals. The conservatism up there is bound up in religion, so if you're on their shit-list, they've got God on their side to get rid of you.

All this political correctness about how you can't stereotype "southerners" is a bunch of happy horseshit. These folks aren't "southerners," they're Mountain Folk. They make southerners look like Canadians.

If there's still a question as to whether "southerners" think differently than the rest of the country, then take a look at this and tell me they aren't off their f'n rockers.

[BlooInBloo]

54. aahahahahaaaa! "They make southerners look like Canadians." - I'm totally stealing that.

[hlthe2b]

61. I'm lovin that trend for the West...

as one who worked very hard to move Colorado into the blue column...

[BuelahWitch]

11. That poor man!

I can't even imagine what he must have gone through. :cry: It must have been bad, the man who found him was unable to sleep for several nights afterward.

[proud patriot]

15. Has Bachman, Beck , rush or savage had anything to say ?

Have they apologized ! I'm soooo PISSED !

[maglatinavi]

21. patriot

They must be shaking in their shoes, but putting a front... they are despicable.:grr:

[maglatinavi]

26. proud

I think that they are shaking in their shoes... they know what they are doing, inciting hate and fear ...now seeing their fruits... they all should be banned from the air waves if it could be possible ...

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[lunatica]

25. what?

[Ikonoklast]

27. you are here...

Say hello to the Tooth Fairy, numbnuts.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. 1 and out. A troll cannot actually do any worse than that.

It Was Here has set the standard for Troll Fail.

[Ikonoklast]

40. They should take some lessons in staying power from the ones

that have been here for years, and thousands of posts.

These new guys just plain suck. Why bother to sign up and get booted in one post?


No one practices quality control anymore.

Sigh.

[geckosfeet]

33. He was found Sept. 12. (a Sat.) Today is Sept 26. (a Sat.) They have had two full

weeks.

How long does it take to perform 'a full medical examination' on a dead person?

[whopis01]

63. I'm not sure about this case in particular

but often it takes some time for the collected samples to be sent off to a lab to be analyzed. Even if they do not appear to be relevant to the case at first, they are often done just to be thorough.

[K8-EEE]

35. I suppose just a coincidence that it happened Glenn Beck day

Those crazed idiots who actually believe Prof. Beck became unhinged, is my guess.

[tularetom]

48. I keep clicking on these threads

in the vain hope that I might actually learn something about this horrible crime I didn't already know.

Instead all I see are people jumping to conclusions that oddly enough support their own political beliefs.

I despise Glen Beck as much as anybody and I think all his supporters and right wingers in general are low life douchebag pieces of crap.

However I have seen nothing in the brazillion threads that have already been posted on this subject to indicate that this poor guy was done in by an anti government wing nut.

[Mimosa]

59. Ditto, Tularetom

Nothing is yet known about who did it or why so I won't expend energy speculating. Or getting paranoid. Or bashing people who live in Kentucky, Tennessee or elsewhere.

[hlthe2b]

62. the man has been dead more than two weeks, yet very little

has trickled out on the case, officially, though considerable first hand witness (to the body) account info has come to light. Do you honestly think DUers would not speculate under these circumstances. Geez... Their speculation is not wholly without basis, after all.

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