World Socialist Web Site rallies support for child rapist Roman Polanski

[HamdenRice]

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/pola-s28.shtml

International protests against arrest of film director Roman Polanski
By Barry Grey
28 September 2009

Expressions of shock and anger are mounting internationally over the arrest Saturday night of Oscar-winning film director Roman Polanski. The 76-year-old director of such films as Rosemary’s Baby, Chinatown and the 2002 film The Pianist, for which Polanski received an Academy Award, was seized by Swiss police at the airport in Zurich, where he had flown to accept a lifetime achievement award at the Zurich film festival. Swiss authorities acted at the behest of the US Justice Department.
...
Polanski denied knowing that the girl was underage, but pled guilty to “unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor” as part of a plea bargain. He fled the country prior to his sentencing for fear that the judge would renege on the terms of the plea bargain and sentence him to a long prison term. A French citizen, he has lived in the intervening years in France, married and raised two children.

The Los Angeles County district attorney’s office, with the support of the US Justice Department, has continued to hound Polanski, forcing him to avoid countries, such as Britain, with strong extradition treaties with the US. In 2005, the US issued an international arrest warrant for Polanski, which is evidently the legal basis for the action carried out by the Swiss government.

<More at link if you can stomach it. In order not to vomit, I won't post any more paragraphs because I'd have to actually read them.>

[HamdenRice]

1. Kick to hear the "only politically correct line" on revolutionary child rape!! nt

[Maru Kitteh]

3. But he is brilliant! and his wife died, and yeah he raped her but it was like SO long ago and stuff

And besides, she wasn't a virgin. And he didn't stuff the drugs and booze in her mouth by force so it's HER fault.

[HamdenRice]

6. But more to the point...

World Socialist Web Site Revolutionaries have the "correct political line" on the issue, so all the moral questions about raping a 13 year old girl after drugging her go away!

[Maru Kitteh]

8. Oooo and I forgot one - she was *almost* 14 so it's really not *that* bad.

What a disgrace it has been, watching all these sick ass rape apologists try to spin one simple fact.

One sick fucker raped a 13 year old kid and it is time for him to pay for his crime.

[HamdenRice]

22. I'm not sure what his rationale is, but in the 60s Trotskyite cults, it would have been justified as

"appropriating" and "nationalizing" her sexuality for the vanguard forces (grown men pig rapists). I kid you not. That was the kind of sick rationalization one found in the more out there branches like Symbionese Liberation Army.

[Astrad]

2. How does thiis article 'rally support'?

The writer basically presents the details dispassionately then disagrees that Polanski should have been arrested. That constitutes rallying support? Flame bait much?

[HamdenRice]

4. "disagrees that Polanski should have been arrested."

'nuff said.

[Spazito]

5. I appreciate the information you have provided re wsws and...

the man who owns it. I knew something smelled about it after reading the many threads posted on DU by at least one DUer. I wonder how those who support the wsws feel about this? I will watch this thread with interest.

[HamdenRice]

7. Thanks!

How anyone can continue to post their articles here in good conscience remains a mystery.

[JTFrog]

16. Blinded by cognitive dissonance they will latch onto anything to justify their hate. n/t

[WonderGrunion]

9. LOL, I know what you're doing here.

Keep up the good work.

[HamdenRice]

10. The issue is the obscure one of epistemology!

Epistemology is "How we know what we know." For most of us, it's listening to all sides and coming to conclusions.

To Trotskyite cultists, it's "what does the party organ tell me to think."

So I want to see whether the "usual suspects" who parrot everything WSWS says will defend this -- because, after all, their dear leader has told them what to think on this and all other issues.

[seabeyond]

11. ahhhhh

i am truly clueless, but interesting none the less.

i always find conditioning fascinating.

[grantcart]

17. what are the odds that epistemology would be used in a thread two days in a row

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8671777&mesg_id=8672952

[undeterred]

18. Much higher than odds for epididymitis or episiotomy.

[grantcart]

26. lol

[HamdenRice]

19. And toward the same kind of poster!

blinded with rage and one dimensional thinking!

[BlooInBloo]

43. I try to avoid using words like that here - too much backstory to explain to people.

[Romulox]

21. Unfortunately, he's either for real, or it takes YEARS to get to the punchline of this "joke". nt

[and-justice-for-all]

12. WSW is not "rallying" support...

They are reporting on the story with concern of US Authority on the issue as well as the suspicious behavior of the Swiss government.

"International protests against arrest of film director Roman Polanski"

[HamdenRice]

13. Not just reporting, but reporting and editorializing

And when a cult, such as WSWS editorializes, it is basically issuing marching orders to the zombies.

[and-justice-for-all]

14. Uh huh...further inquiery is needed before I conclude WSWS...

is such an entity.

[HamdenRice]

15. Have you seen this subthread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6560399&mesg_id=6561071

[and-justice-for-all]

24. Interesting...nt

[HamdenRice]

38. Fascinating, captain!

WSWS: It is the will of Landru!

[Romulox]

20. "Monomania"

In psychiatry, monomania (from Greek monos, one, and mania, mania) is a type of paranoia in which the patient has only one idea or type of ideas. Emotional monomania is that in which the patient is obsessed with only one emotion or several related to it; intellectual monomania is that which is related to only one kind of delirious idea or ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomania

[endarkenment]

23. BBC Web Site rallies support for child rapist Roman Polanski

Why now?

But that does not really explain why Switzerland chose this particular moment to act.
Roman Polanski is a regular visitor to Switzerland. He has a holiday home in the resort of Gstaad where he likes to ski.

For me this arrest is impossible to understand. He was an honoured guest in our country
Ueli Leuenberger
Green Party
Many Swiss - especially those who turned up at Zurich's film festival expecting to see Mr Polanski receive a lifetime achievement award - feel the police action ordered by the government was clumsy, even cruel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8279061.stm



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[HamdenRice]

25. Readers of the BBC are not cultist zombies

There are differences of opinion on this issue, and different editorialists will take different positions, but when WSWS issues an editorial to its cult, they have to fall in line behind corporate exec Trotskyite master, Dear Leader David North/Green.

[endarkenment]

28. You haven't seen Shawn of the Dead?

[Romulox]

29. It would be fun to post Hamden's exact messages to this thread to Free Republic dot com.

My guess is that he would be run off the board in short order as a "false flag" provocateur.

Not here though! :shrug:

[HamdenRice]

31. I'm glad to know you think I wouldn't last a few minutes at FR. You on the other hand ...

could post at Free Republic for months and months with your own sincere views and be welcomed, because the far, far left and far, far right have so many lunatic ideas in common -- especially counter-factual bashing of Democrats, progressives, unions, Greens, Social Democrats, Democratic Socialists and other left of center groups who do not share your exact Trotskyite splinter beliefs.

[Romulox]

33. Because your views on this thread seem to be a caricature of a right winger.

That's what "false flag" means. :hi:

[Electric Monk]

30. You seem pretty sure about that

It's a JOKE



It's a JOKE

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. The BBC is jampacked with Millionaire Trotskyites who strangle kittens.

[AngryAmish]

27. "Polanski denied knowing that the girl was underage"

He asked her mom for permission to photograph her. That is a good sign that she was underage.

[seabeyond]

32. and it is known. so for any article to say polanski said he did know and NOT

share the info about calling mom for permission, is one sided.

[proteus_lives]

34. Why would anyone support a child rapist?

It confuses and disgusts me.

[seabeyond]

36. really fuckin with my head too. but sure enough i have seen such a variety of excuses. nt

[HamdenRice]

37. Keep in mind it's WSWS. They are dedicated liars.

If you read up on the American Trotskyite view of "propaganda" it will make sense.

[endarkenment]

39. Google and AP Web Sites rally support for child rapist Roman Polanski

Kouchner called the arrest "sinister," adding: "A man of such talent, recognized in the entire world, recognized especially in the country that arrested him — all this just isn't nice."

To many here, the slap of American justice seemed particularly sharp as the arrest came as Polanski was entering Switzerland to receive a lifetime achievement award from the Zurich Film Festival.

Mitterrand said, "To see him like that, thrown to the lions because of ancient history, really doesn't make any sense."

<More at link if you can stomach it. In order not to vomit, I won't post any more paragraphs because I'd have to actually read them.>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jSLIYgP7JJRLSRyFVA5vJ_hzhlSgD9B0F3503

[HamdenRice]

40. Google news and AP do not recruit zombie cultists

so their editorializing is just that -- editorializing.

[endarkenment]

41. You haven't seen Shawn of the Google?

[HamdenRice]

42. Polanski (child rapist)=hero. Tutu (MLK of S. Africa) = villain. Carry on

with your cult party line that can rationalize any bullshit.

Ya just gotta believe! (In David North/Green, multimillionaire owner of WSWS.)

[Romulox]

44. How does this guy get away with calling anyone who disagrees with him a "cultist"?

Really, is the above productive discussion? :shrug:

[HamdenRice]

45. Not anyone who disagrees with me. People who cite WSWS which is a documented cult

and therefore it is an accurate description of someone who reposts their cult material.

There is zero legitimate controversy over whether the owner of WSWS is running a cult.

Now the insults you throw around, by contrast, are just that -- nothing more than insults.

[Romulox]

46. Right. But the problem is, you can't seem to tell people apart.

You realize that the different names beside "Posted by..." means that different people are behind the posts, right?

Because your namecalling surely doesn't seem limited to the one or two persons who post WSWS links. No snark intended, but you frequently seem confused as to who you are addressing. :shrug: :hi:

[HamdenRice]

47. Did you read this subthread?

The term cult is aimed at the WSWS party line re Tutu and Polanski.

At least you implicitly accept that WSWS is a cult.

[Romulox]

48. If by "this subthread" you mean the one in which this post appears, of course.

I don't see anybody citing the WSWS as an authority in this subthread. Could you provide a link?

"At least you implicitly accept that WSWS is a cult."

I'm sure I am not qualified to define what is and what is not "a cult". I certainly don't accept any of your premises, I'm simply not interested in having that particular argument with you.

I reiterate: I wonder if much of this rant is a case of your not being careful to discern which poster is making what post. You seem to have thrown everyone who loves bank bail outs and corporate welfare even a bit less than you do into a grab bag that you call "socialists" and "cultists". I am just not convinced that you know to whom you are responding at any given time.

[Odin2005]

49. More proof that WSWS sucks.