So, the October Surprise. What is the final outcome?

[ProfessorPlum]

I heard some jackass recently saying that Carter started everything bad in the Middle East for the US, because of the hostage crisis, etc. I asked him to google Mossadegh and Kermit Roosevelt, we'll see where that goes. But I also wondered how it was that a person of his age (nearly 40) could think that the Iran Hostage Crisis, which had plagued Jimmy Carter for almost a year and a half, making him look bad throughout the entire campaign and election as he tried every trick in the book including desperate diplomacy and military interventions, would suddenly just EVAPORATE within SECONDS of Reagan being sworn in. I mean, who just fell off of the melon truck?

Then, I went to the Wikipedia page on the October Surprise Conspiracy, and I find out the Newt Gingrich's Republican Revolution Congress held hearings on the matter in 1992-93, and declared the whole thing unprovable. Hmmm. It also seems Newsweek declared that Casey couldn't have been at the alleged "Madrid meeting" because he was supposed to be in London at the time - which no one could confirm.

Is that really where America has left this royal, and thoroughly transparent, screwing of Carter by Bush I? I can't believe that we are all that collectively stupid/inattentive, but maybe so.

[Democracyinkind]

1. I for one am convinced.

While I am open to debate about who attended what meeting when, I think the gist of the story has been proven: There were meetings. There were deals involved. They preceeded the election.

There hasn't been too much going on with this story. There is a 2009 book out about the story, Brian Josepher, 2009. The Complete and ExtraOrdinary History of the October Surprise - which I have not yet read, but heard some bad rumours about.

Also, Barbara Honegger has showed her colours by now. It's fair to assume that her book was deliberatly misleading, and that's probably how the story was kept dead: Have these Bogus-EIR CTers make the claim, mix it up with dis/misinfo and get the whole story buried that way.

Kinda reminds me of the way how Rove played Jim Hatfield.... Same people same tactics. This whole topic (from OS to Jim Hatfield) is part of the same cancer. A cancer that runs way too deep to still call this a true democracy, but that's just my (more or less) informed opinion.

[Echo In Light]

2. Lots of info in this doc film: Iran-Contra cover-up

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8476042566108039966

[Democracyinkind]

4. Thanks! I'll bookmark that for later use...

[Echo In Light]

5. Also discussed in a doc film critical of the M$M, Orwell Rolls In His Grave

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1925114769515892401

[ShortnFiery]

12. Thank-you for the valuable site reference - video link. eom

[ShortnFiery]

13. I will watch this. Notice that our present SecDef pleaded "ignorance" during these hearings

as well. I wish President Obama would replace Gates a.s.a.p. :(

[ProfessorPlum]

3. Hmm. I seem to have my timeline a little wrong.

Gingrich's class wasn't sworn in until 1995, right? So, it must have been the last bit of the Democratic congress under Bush I that did the investigating. That makes this even weirder.

[On the Road]

6. Everyone Outside the US Seems to Know it Happened

Cabinet-level contacts (or above) in Israel, Saudi Arabia, France, Russia, and the Palestinian Authority have all stated that of course Reagan made a secret deal to delay the release until after he took office.

[TexasObserver]

7. Of course Poppy Bush made a deal with Iranian terrorists in 1980 to sabotage Carter.

GHW Bush has been a demon his entire life. He's a crime boss, a man who would do anything for power, status and money.

Of course they made the deal with Iranian terrorists, and it led to the Iran Contra scandal.

[Echo In Light]

8. Released the day of Reagan's inauguration

[Democracyinkind]

10. Like 5 minutes afterwards,.... go figure... N/t

[TexasObserver]

11. Yes, as if to say ... "now, they can go home."

There's no reason the Iranians would do that short of a deal to do that.

That deal had GHW Bush's smelly fingers all over it.

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. Congress was controlled by Democrats 1992-1993

[ProfessorPlum]

14. You're right, see my post #3. Weird. What do we make of that?

[Democracyinkind]

15. Maybe we should reconsider the Dem vs Rep frame when it comes to deep politics.

down there, it's a party of one. OS was more of a battle of world views than a battle of parties.

[Echo In Light]

16. "America has one political party with two right wings." Gore Vidal

Just enough flexibility allowed re some social issues ... but when it comes to finance, empire, and the National $ecurity State ruse, there's a cohesive, lucrative allegiance.