Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

I support Nuclear Power

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:04 PM
Original message
I support Nuclear Power
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 07:06 PM by underpants
as long as I don't have to pay for it

Oh-no! did I just introduce finance into an issue where it is almost completely ignored (read: healthcare)





Economics of new nuclear power plants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_new_nuclear_power_plants
Analysis of the economics of nuclear power must take into account who bears the risks of future uncertainties. To date all operating nuclear power plants were developed by state-owned or regulated utility monopolies where many of the risks associated with construction costs, operating performance, fuel price, and other factors were borne by consumers rather than suppliers. Many countries have now liberalized the electricity market where these risks, and the risk of cheaper competitors, are borne by plant suppliers and operators rather than consumers, which leads to a significantly different evaluation of the economics of new nuclear power plants.<1>

Insurance???

Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price-Anderson_Nuclear_Industries_Indemnity_Act

The Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act (commonly called the Price-Anderson Act) is a United States federal law, first passed in 1957 and since renewed several times, which governs liability-related issues for all non-military nuclear facilities constructed in the United States before 2026. The main purpose of the Act is to partially indemnify the nuclear industry against liability claims arising from nuclear incidents while still ensuring compensation coverage for the general public. The Act establishes a no fault insurance-type system in which the first $10 billion is industry-funded as described in the Act (any claims above the $10 billion would be covered by the federal government). At the time of the Act's passing, it was considered necessary as an incentive for the private production of nuclear power — this was because investors were unwilling to accept the then-unquantified risks of nuclear energy without some limitation on their liability.



http://www.globalsubsidies.org/en/subsidy-watch/commentary/gambling-nuclear-power-how-public-money-fuels-industry
SW: Can you give us a sense of the scale of public subsidies to nuclear power in the United States?

DK: All operating nuclear power plants in the U.S. were built with substantial public subsidies. These included large subsidies to research and development, plant construction, uranium enrichment, and waste management. Since its inception, the industry has also benefitted from government programs to shift key risks of the nuclear fuel cycle away from investors and onto taxpayers.

A handful of studies have quantified subsidies to the nuclear-power industry over the decades, indicating aggregate subsidization at well over US$ 150 billion, and a subsidy intensity (government support per kWh output) normally exceeding 30% of the market value of the energy produced.

These subsidies have enabled our existing commercial reactors to remain viable power providers, but only with additional capital write-offs. These write-offs have occurred not only through bankruptcies, but in the form of compensation for "stranded costs" as well. Basically, a cost was considered stranded if it made a plant uncompetitive at the time the electricity industry was being deregulated. Nuclear generation accounted for large share of total stranded costs in the United States, with nearly US$ 100 billion (2007$) of nuclear-related infrastructure deemed uncompetitive transferred as a liability to be bailed out by ratepayers. Although the industry frequently points to its low operating costs as evidence of its market competitiveness, this economic structure is an artifact of large subsidies to capital, historical write-offs of capital, and ongoing subsidies to operating costs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
triple point Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:12 PM
Response to Original message
1. I support it as a viable technology...the economics are a separate issue
and are overly influenced by those on the right (the power companies) and on the left (the overzealous regulators.)

There will either come a time when those 2 sides can compromise or we will all freeze in the dark, it really is that simple.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Do they aren't
they have gamed the system
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
2. How much has Price-Anderson cost taxpayers in last 50 years?
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 07:20 PM by Statistical
Here is a hint: $0.00.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. You missed by a few billion
but try again if you want
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Check you facts there has never been a SINGLE payout that exceeded the fund under Price-Anderson.
Price-Anderson acts as a backstop if liability exceeds the $10 billion fund established BY the nuclear power operators.

Since enactment $151 million has been paid by the fund ($70 mil from 3 mile island).

The back stop provided by Price-Anderson has never been needed.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
3. nuclear waste makes it a no-no for me
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Yeah, I prefer to breathe my waste
Think of all that extra nutrition in every breath of pollution laden air!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Good point. 1 GW nuclear plant = 20 tons of fuel waste per year.
Actually only about 5% has been depleted but since we don't reprocess in the United States we trash all of it.

1 GW nuclear power plant = 1 ton of reactants = 20 tons of fuel = 200 tons raw uranium.

1 GW coal power plant requires 4 million tons of coal. By the law of conservation of mass nothing disappears in a coal plant so it ends up as about 3.5 million tons of ash and about 500,000 tons of emissions.

4 million tons of spent fuel or 20 tons?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #3
14. Remember, the mercury in your fish sticks has a half life of...
... forever!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:12 PM
Response to Original message
9. Nuclear energy is like the bomb -
If the technology is developed, we will trust ourselves (for now) with running such an industry responsibly. The problem comes in when some place like Azerbaijan gets its hands on the technology and builds the reactor on a fault line, pumps the waste directly into the ground, has a blow up due to negligence, rendering thousands of square miles uninhabitable.

No, we need to develop other kinds of energy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:14 PM
Response to Original message
10. Re: all nuclear power plants in the US were built with . . subsidies


It certainly was not true with the Columbia generating plant that was not only built without subsidies but resulted in the largest public bond default in history.

Billions went down the tubes in the unfortunately name WPPSS debacle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPPSS
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:08 PM
Response to Original message
11. I love my cheap, government subsidized nuclear power.
I keep my air on 68 in the summer and the heat on 74 in the winter. Utilities run about $180 a month, that's a great deal in my opinion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
12. Socialize the costs, privatize the profits
Ain't "free markets" great?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:20 PM
Response to Original message
13. What do you think about coal power?
Just curious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
15. I would like (taxpayers) to support wind, solar, geo-thermal to the same degree
We could make a lot of progress funding other, cleaner, forms of energy to the same degree we paid to support that which produces a lot of very dangerous waste.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC