If there is no PO

[27inCali]

THERE WILL BE RIOTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BIG, CRAZY RIOTS THAT WILL PROBABLY GET PEOPLE KILLED.

IT'S SAD, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING LESS THAN A VIOLENT REVOLUTION WILL GIVE US OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE CORPORATIONS.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT ANYMORE. THEY AREN'T LISTENING TO US. THEY AREN'T HELPING US, THEY WORK FOR THE CORPORATIONS.

[kestrel91316]

1. Nah. The big insurance companies will just pay for lots of clever advertising on TV to convince the

sheeple that everything is fine the way it is. Maybe they will even distribute coupons for free Cheetos and Twinkies to eat while watching TV.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

2. There won't be riots.

Americans are too brainwashed, lazy, distracted, apathetic, and/or beaten down.

[27inCali]

7. If what you say is true

than the people of this country don't deserve even little sliver of freedom they have left.

I think though, there will be some angry people who will demonstrate that anger on one level or another.

[Echo In Light]

9. Reacting appropriately to being systematically fucked over is just downright unseemly

:sarcasm:

[FLAprogressive]

15. Pretty much.

[kirby]

3. There will be NO riots...

But I think they will be upset that Jon & Kate plus 8 just dropped Jon.

[graywarrior]

4. Only if they take off Dancing with the Stars or American Idol.

[SIMPLYB1980]

6. LoL!

:rofl: Sad but true. :popcorn:

[regnaD kciN]

5. Problem is, the riots will only take place...

...when people get the bill for their "individually mandated" insurance (i.e. when it's too late to do anything about it). And who do you think they'll blame? You've got it...the "tax-and-spend Democrat Party" and their "health-care tax." :-(

[Nye Bevan]

8. Yes. I remember all of the riots back in 1994

when the Clinton plan failed in its entirety. Scary stuff.

[regnaD kciN]

11. But that was because we got nothing...

...unlike now, when we'll be getting a legal requirement to pay hundreds or thousands a month in private insurance premiums, or hundreds for the "privilege" of not being insured.

It's one thing when you don't get something that would make your life better. It's quite another thing when you get something imposed on you that would make your life much, much worse. That's what the Finance bill does.

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. Massachusetts...

...has had a mandate, and no public option, for three years, and not only have there been no riots, in a poll released yesterday, the people actually affected, and not a bunch of DU forum posters, approved of the Massachusetts plan by 2 to 1. Most Democratic state in the union, with 10-1 and 7-1 majorities in the legislature that passed the plan, too.

Fewer than 12% of respondents called for its repeal...and some of them are probably Republicans.

So the riots will have to start somewhere else, I guess.

[regnaD kciN]

13. The Massachusetts plan also has much smaller penalties...

...and a much more generous series of exemptions from the mandate, than the Baucus bill offers. I hate to say it, but Senate Finance has come up with a bill that's worse than what we got from Mitt.

[Davis_X_Machina]

16. But...

THERE'S NO PUBLIC OPTION!!!!

My opinion -- the public option has become a shibboleth. Half the people on here don't know what it is -- and a lot more think it's the same thing as single payer.

If DU represents the informed, engaged, sector of public opinion, some days I'd just as soon take my chances with the audience of 'Dancing with the Stars'

[karynnj]

20. I wish I could recommend a comment - I would definately recommend this

I think a PO could be good, but it is too Black/white to determine whether a bill is good or bad.

[Old Codger]

14. Maybe

But before i would take that poll as gospel I would have to see how it was worded and the demographic involved... polling questions can be worded to bias the answers in the direction you require, along with asking a narrow demographic can make any poll work for or against depending on the results the pollsters require/want.

[Davis_X_Machina]

17. I linked to the Globe article...

...that linked to the poll -- sample size, etc. available by drilling down.

Let's say they're off by a factor of 2 -- just about impossible in a minimally competent poll -- and only half the people in the state approve of the program.

Still not the stuff of riots....

[Old Codger]

21. No riots

This country doesn't have it in them to riot over this, but they will (against their own interests) vote the dems out of power once again, what we really need , quite seriously, is a strong third party as a choice in the elections,. the dems and repugs are too powerful and independent anymore to really care about the voters, big business, be it insurance, banking or whatever you want run both parties anymore so they really do not care who is in office they are going to get what they want anyway...All we get to do is vote in the candidate of their choice.

[kirby]

19. The Mass Plan failed to bring down costs...

And that is because it has no public option.

[Subdivisions]

12. No riots. Too many new season teevee shows to see. n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

18. Jumping the gun a tad aren't you? This was a vote in one Senate committee that still has to be

merged with the HELP committee's (Ted Kennedy) version. There are 3 versions of a bill within the House that also have to become a single bill. I think a public option can still be in the final versions of the bills that will go to floor votes.