A mighty FUCK YOU to

[malaise]

Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Carper and Nelson. Go fuck yourselves you fucking sell outs.

edit - add two more fucking fuckers

[peace frog]

1. They will regret it when

all that blood money from the industry fails to get them re-elected, by the voters who have had quite enough, fuck them very much.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. Fail to get them re-elected by whom? The "masses" of progressives/liberals in AR, MT, and ND?

You do realize those aren't exactly Democratic strongholds, right?

[peace frog]

14. A mighty FUCK YOU

to all of them. BUH BYE.

[Ruby the Liberal]

15. And yet they have the power to decide for the rest of us...

3 small people from 3 small states.

[peace frog]

17. Yes, and how the hell did that happen?

That this one committee would be lopsided with public option foes of both stripes. WTF?

[Ruby the Liberal]

21. Blanche Lincoln ran a PO positive campaign.

Baucus wrote a white paper about single payer in 2008.

All before the insurance cash started rolling in earnestly.

[peace frog]

28. Then a heartier FUCK YOU AGAIN to the sellouts

DINOs, one and all.

[Dave From Canada]

98. They're not sellouts. They're representing the voters in their red states. You may not like it,

but their seats would otherwise be filled with repugs. It's the same reason why repugs have problems with Snowe, and Collins in the northeast.

[MrModerate]

102. And the voters in their states *want* to continue being cornholed by the insurance companies . . .

left to die broke, or see their loved ones put in an early grave? Perhaps the voters in their states are insurance company executives or shareholders and so want to see the current rapacious and ineffective system continue.

But I don't think so.

As I read the polls, this issue transcends red and blue, and even if there are more left-of-center voters on board with it than right-of-center, there's still broad majority (slender though it might be) support.

So who are they really representing?

[WeRQ4U]

204. Not all of us do...

And the "they are representing their constituents" garbage isn't true of ANYONE nowadays. They all have a corporate backer/donation committee that they answer to...it aint the people. North Dakota is a ridiculously red state. The ONLY reason we have democratic representation in Congress is because the hypocritical douchebags that make up that red base NEED the farm subsidies that those three gentleman bring home.

That being said, considering Kent and Byron's past voting record on other important Democratic issues...any North Dakota Republican would be MUCH worse than this DINO.

[AllyCat]

128. Their seats are filled with repugs

If it walks like a Repug, talks like a repug, and acts like a repug...

[BlueMTexpat]

131. Sorry, but insofar as Baucus goes, he is going against the grain.

His town halls in MT have been full of single-payer advocates. MT is not so much a "red" state as an independent one and Obama is very popular there; McCain just barely won the majority of votes in 2008.
Baucus is in BIG trouble in his own state. Montanans are close enough to Canada to "get" it for the most part. In fact, one reason that Schweitzer is popular there is that when he was a candidate for office he used to take busloads of Montanans into Canada to get the health care that they could not receive in the US.

North Dakota, because of its proximity to Canada and Minnesota (generally a liberal state) is like MT in many ways. It's difficult to put voters from these two states into boxes because they're generally not single-issue voters. While I don't know the other states as well as I do these two, I would say that health care generally is not so much an issue between "red" and "blue" in all of these states as it is the individual Senators' being beholden to insurance company lobbyists.

What we need is Senators with backbone ... these are all spineless jellyfish ... and just as lethal to the welfare of our country. The answer is NOT to vote for Republicans. It's to encourage some primary opposition for them from the "Democratic wing of the Democratic party." That's what Howard Dean was doing as DNC chair. I don't believe that any other DNC chairs have understood how necessary this is.

[Hestia]

163. Same with Arkansas - at the TH I attended it seems that over 75% wanted single-payer

not everyone in Ark is a loony conservative. They are just the ones who get tv time.

[BlueMTexpat]

171. And isn't it a shame that the loonies do get all the attention?

I've never been to Arkansas but there have been some great Arkansans, including one of my all-time favorites, Senator J. William Fulbright. And one William Jefferson Clinton didn't do all that bad a job for us all either.
Hang in there! Not all of us define our fellow citizens only by the crazies.
We're all in this together. It's an everlasting shame that the crazies don't realize that their best interests lie with us because we actually care what effect actions have on our fellow citizens.
:hi:

[Ganja Ninja]

181. Baucus took almost 4 million dollars from the insurance companies.

Yet polls show that a majority of the people of Montana want a public option. How is that not a sellout?

[adigal]

188. OK, so if they were represented by Republicans

they wouldn't be on that committee, three other Democrats would be on it. That would be better.

[AlbertCat]

190. but their seats would otherwise be filled with repugs.

So? And the difference would be.....?

ARE they representing the majority of their constituents? They were elected with a "D" by their name. The voters of their state voted for a "D" because they wanted them to vote with the "R's"???? I don't think so. Do the majority in these constituents not want a public option? I dunno. But I'll bet they do want it seeing as the majority of American want it.

[WeRQ4U]

205. That's not true.

The people vote the person and his/her doings here, not the scribe. It doesn't matter if its D, R or I...just so long as the oil money keeps pumping and the farm subsidy checks keep passing.

[peace frog]

208. Whores and sellouts, every one

a hearty FUCK YOU VERY MUCH to them all, starting with those corporate shills extraordinaire Baucus, Conrad and Lincoln.

[kenfrequed]

209. oh but wait...

Even most red states have polling that supports the majority wanting a strong public option.

So.... argument validity?


Moreover Baucus himself recieved 95% of his campaign contributions from out of state sources. What does this tell you?

That he actually represents the people of his state or does he just represent healthcare lobbyists?

[Enthusiast]

178. It's merely intentional. nt

[TheEuclideanOne]

184. I was wondering that myself. Can somebody offer some background

as to how this came to be?

[d_b]

34. That's not an accident

[Ruby the Liberal]

37. I know. I also appreciate the original intent.

And if we had term limits and actual elections, I would be behind it.

As it stands now, the Senate is a good-old-boys club where they are more concerned about getting along with their colleagues than actually representing the people's wishes.

[twitomy]

87. Thats the breaks when you have a Republic

set up so that the minority has a bit more power per capita than the majority (Each State has 2 senators regardless of population) Meant to prevent tyranny of the majority.

[wordpix]

109. THAT is the crux - we have 350 million people held hostage to the smallest of state pops.

How many people do ND and MT have? Do they even have a million between the two?

[CTLawGuy]

147. welcome to the US Senate

don'tcha love it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. And how are they going to be re-elected WITHOUT Democratic votes??

Not too hard to figure out. Democrats in red states NEED the support of the few Democrats in those red states.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

44. And a Republican serves our interests better.... how? (nt)

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. That's not what I said

I live in a red state. Bottom line - Democrats without the support of the state party don't get elected.

[quakerboy]

66. And a republican serves our interests worse... How?

At least if there were only 55 democrats, it wouldn't be credible to lay 100% of the blame on Democrats, because anything that passed would legitimately have to have "bipartisanship" to pass. As is, we are getting Democrats voting against the people, and the people are starting to blame Democrats. Because we all know "republicans are irrelevant, they have no power".

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

144. ...until there are 55 republicans and we lose ground instead of "not gaining it", right?

[quakerboy]

210. Mandate with no Public option is losing ground

it is worse than no bill. I would rather have ultimate gridlock.

[TankLV]

75. Aparently, JUST THE SAME AS THESE ASSHOLE DINOS DO NOW!!!

WITH THESE ASSHOLES, IT'S JUST THE SAME AS HAVING A REPUKE IN THEIR PLACE!!!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

145. Did you miss 1994-2006?

I didn't.

[LooseWilly]

125. And a Republican serves our interests worse... how?

I mean, seriously... if they vote like a Republican... then their Democratic status matters for... what?... warm fuzzy numbers to bandy about in fundraiser mailers?...

[CTLawGuy]

148. these dems MIGHT

at least be convinced to support cloture on the final bill that has a public option. A republican would be unreachable.

[Raineyb]

183. If it votes like a Republican, and sells out its constituents like a Republican

and gives the Democratic base the finger like a Republican then guess what, it's already a Republican.

The DINOs aren't serving our interest. At least the Republican doesn't PRETEND to be interested in serving our interests.

[Dave From Canada]

97. Exactly. The probably voted no for the sole purpose of getting re-elected in those states.

[gleaner]

100. Democrats are not ....

the only people who wanted meaningful health reform. A majority of Republicans all over the country wanted it too. They may have some say in whether or not these guys are reelected. If I think someone has betrayed my trust, I'm not going to vote for him. I don't think we are the only people who feel sold out right now. Obama let these guys walk all over us. He has to share a large portion of the responsibility for what happened and what will happen next, too. I supported him, Now I have no more trust for him and very little respect. He really spent his potential on a mess of crap and now he expects us all to eat it. Congress? Yes, them too. But I didn't expect anything better from them. I was hoping he could work with them. That was a joke. To the best of my knowledge he didn't even talk to them. He was too busy playing paddy fingers with the Republicans who spit on everything I think is meaningful.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

117. I dont doubt they will all be re-elected n/t

[NoSheep]

122. Oh no! Where would we be without your astute powers of observation?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

143. Uhm, you have seen the post I was responding to, right?

Yeah, I think you're overestimating a lot of people here.

[MidwestTransplant]

126. You realize that they will never get RW nuts to vote for them so if they lose the Dem. base they

lose. They were bought and paid for. This was not about their constituents anyway.

[RaleighNCDUer]

165. Even in the red states, 50% favor a public option. The sad fact is,

it may take turning a couple of Dem seats over to Republican to make the red dogs understand that they CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS. It's better to have an honest opponent in front of you than a backstabber behind you.

[stevenleser]

195. Unfortunate, but true...

One of the sad realities of politics is that when Republicans elect someone in a blue state or Democrats elect someone in a Red state, you have to understand what you are getting and be thankful for it.

A conservative Democrat in one of those states is better than a far right Republican which is what you would get otherwise. It's better to get the right vote 45-55% of the time from the person in that seat than 0% of the time.

It doesnt mean we have to like it when they vote the wrong way, but lets not forget what we are talking about here. Republicans in those states are the farthest right of the far right.

[rhett o rick]

110. good grief. you honestly believe that they will be defeated in their primaries.

Where do you live? on the moon. Democratic incumbent NEVER FUCKING LOSE THEIR PRIMARIES. It is a problem with our system and until people like you understand it we cant fix it.

It is so easy to say we will defeat them in the primaries but it wont fucking happen. Read "For Competitive Primaries" in The Nation, Sept 28.

We must support organizations outside the party to defeat incumbents.

[katkat]

132. rhett o rick/Democratic incumbents

I think Lieberman might disagree with you about that. And I certainly hope Arlen Specter learns that at Joe Sestak's hands.

Lots of defeatism here. All we're learned is that electing a "Democratic" majority in Congress and a "Democratic" President is worth zilch. We have to go for real Democrats. So it will take longer. Let's hope we get it done before the whole country and the planet collapses.

[rhett o rick]

193. Lieberman is the exception that proves the rule. Even when he lost the primary

the Democratic Party helped him get back in the Senate Club. If you look at the Lieberman case you will see just what is needed to defeat an incumbent Senator. You must find someone willing to buck the Democratic Party because the Party clearly supports incumbents. That would be political suicide for most challengers. You would have to find a large source of money, because big money won't support an incumbent challenger, Lamont used a lot of his own money. I strongly urge you to read:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090928/nichols

Recognizing a system that is broken in the hopes of fixing it, isn't "defeatism". Until the broken system is recognized, it can't be fixed.

I think incumbent Democrats can be beaten in the primaries but not thru the Democratic Party. An outside organization will have to be used like moveon or PDA.

[CTLawGuy]

149. not true

in CT we beat Lieberman, but it was on the backs of the Republicans that he won as an independent. The reason primaries are difficult is because we lack experience running them. We need to do a lot more.

[rhett o rick]

194. Please see post 193. Thanks. nt

[peace frog]

196. Thanks but no thanks

::wink:: BUH BYE.

[rhett o rick]

206. Sorry, dont' get it. nt

[peace frog]

207. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

:rofl:

:applause:

:woohoo:

:rofl:

[BluDemocratGirl]

134. A FUCK YOU to the 10th power to those "closet RePUKElicans"!

They need to leave the Democratic Party and join those bastards!

[RoccoR5955]

2. Double that to

the Republicans on that committee.
There can still be a public option in the markup bill, so there is still hope. No need to let up on the pressure now. We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

[barbtries]

4. thank you

i just wondered that very thing.

[timeforpeace]

5. I blame the asshole Repukes also. Come the next election they'll get creamed.

[quakerboy]

71. By who?

Dems dont really seem to be bringing their A game.

[RoccoR5955]

150. The CONS don't even have an A, B, C, or D game...

They are a big F!

[quakerboy]

211. They dont need it, if they can co-opt the Democratic party

to do their will and piss off the people at the same time.

If your opponent are too busy shanking their own team mates to play, you don't need game to win.

[JNelson6563]

96. Well said.

And let me add an additional, "those fuckers". Fuck 'em. Shit list for life.

Julie

[barbtries]

3. i feel beaten right now.

like crawling into a hole and forgetting about it all.

does this mean the public option is dead as dead can be, or are there other live bills that might pass?

incidentally :thumbsup: on the FUCK YOU to so-called democrats on the committee that let the option lose. i'ma go curl up now i think.

[Barack_America]

11. That these corporate whores would vote against the PO was as predictable...

...as the sun rising and setting.

It's not the only way.

The HELP bill will have a PO and the House bill already does.

It's not dead by a long shot.

[barbtries]

39. if i was a believer

I'd say from your lips to gawd's ears. as it is we have to look to congress. eh.

[iceman66]

6. +1000

These fuckers don't even care about the damage they are doing to our party and our president.

Who needs Republicans with 'Democrats' like these?

[abelenkpe2]

7. Huh?

Public Option voted down? I'm stuck at work, what happened?

It's not really reform without it.

Insurance companies wrecked health care in this country. They need competition. Actually, they need to be taken out of the equation altogether.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Just a committee vote

Not the end of the world. Yet.

[dbonds]

8. I drink to that toast.

[The Hope Mobile]

9. Don't forget Carper and Nelson. nt

[malaise]

12. Corrected to include

those fuckers.

[The Hope Mobile]

24. I keep hearing different reports, some include them and others don't.

:shrug:

[malaise]

26. THey voted against it but are not on the FInance Committee n/t

[The Hope Mobile]

31. Aaaah! Thanks for the info! I even saw different tallies. nt

[Hepburn]

13. What malaise said....

...and a HUGE ESAD to all of them, too. :grr:

[Cleita]

16. So I told you so.

Where are all the DUers who called me names because I insisted that if we didn't push for single payer, we wouldn't even get a public option? It beginning to look like I'm right.

[malaise]

18. Schumer says the PO will still pass

We shall see.

[Cleita]

25. I hope so. But Harry Reid is now saying he's comfortable not having a

public option. :wtf: His constituents need to change his mind about his future in the Senate and SOON!

[Barack_America]

29. Then I assume Reid is also comfortable with losing his Senate leadership...

...and, quite possibly, his Senate seat.

[tridim]

33. Do you have a link for that?

[Cleita]

40. It's all over the TV news.

On edit: link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/health/policy/30health.html?ref=us

Senate Democratic aides say the majority leader, Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, will not include a provision for the public option when he combines the measures coming out of the finance and health committees.

[TankLV]

79. I'm already looking for someone ELSE to vote for in place of harry...

IF he's the choice come next time, I WILL WITHHOLD MY VOTE!!!

It's that simple...

[Cleita]

95. That's what I do with my Congressman a Republican that our limp wristed

local Dems won't run anyone against because it's a secure seat or some such nonsense. I won't vote for him.

[BREMPRO]

62. his amendment for a PO got 10 votes, 2 to go. i hope the keep it up and wear down the opposition.

[peace frog]

20. You have that satisfaction now, Cleita

and you were right fucking on about single payer.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

45. A) The process is far from over. B) You're still not right.

Starting with single payer would bring us right back here, if not worse. I see no reason for you to gloat at this point, or at any point for that matter.

[Cleita]

49. When we are totally thrown under the bus with a gift wrapped present

of taxpayer's money to the insurance industry, you can come to the head of the line to apologize to me. I am not gloating. I am crying. If people had listened to me and others who predicted this would happen when we saw the health care lobbyists welcomed to Congress and the White House, while single payer advocates were shut out and even arrested, we could have scared them into doing the right thing by not caving in. We would have gotten the Medicare for All public option. Any body who has ever had to buy a used car knows how it's done. Our Congress people know too, but they pulled a bait and switch and anyone who doesn't see it is just plain stupid.

[flyarm]

159. why Cleita ..don't you know the cheerleaders want you to wait for the grand Chess Game?

You know the Chess game where superman comes out in a new Cape and tells you how much "hope" you are supposed to have and endure?? ( this is sarcasm..but the smiley thing won't work)

I am with you 100% Cleita ..and it seems the stupid are all around ..but dropping like flies lately!!


and how about this gem.......

Hoyer Cool To Repealing Wiretap Immunity
Source: Associated Press

(09-29) 10:31 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer made clear Tuesday that he would be cool to a Senate proposal to take away the retroactive immunity now given to telecommunications companies that participated in warrantless wiretapping during the George W. Bush administration.

"I don't think that revisiting that issue is really going to get us anyplace," the Maryland Democrat said at a news conference.

His comment came a day after Senate Democrats Chris Dodd, Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, Russ Feingold and Jeff Merkley said they planned to introduce legislation to repeal a provision in a 2008 act granting immunity to telecom companies that helped the government spy on Americans in suspected terrorism cases.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/0...


yeah this is what we all fought for in electing dems..yeah that's the ticket...excuse me while i vomit.........

[TankLV]

78. Oh, you and I were fucking right - you don't STARTbarganing with your FALLBACK position!!!

How fucking hard is that for these ASSHOLES to understand?!!!

[spanone]

19. fuck the democrats one and all. fuck my party.

[AndyA]

22. Time to fire them and get some people who will DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

(And that isn't to protect the almighty American corporation!)

[Ilsa]

23. They don't give a shit. "Dead people don't vote" is their philosophy.

They don't give a sht and they want their fucking money.

I hate the leadership of this country.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. Joe LIEberman "Democrats"

We lost last November.

[Libertas1776]

30. To Sens.

Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, Blanche Lincoln, Carper and Nelson... Va Fangool! Fick dich! Vas te faire encule! ¡vete a la mierda! and whatever languages I can't think of.

[lpbk2713]

42. "Póg Mo Thóin"

(in Gaelic)

[Libertas1776]

47. Thanks,

I learned another. :evilgrin:

[flamingdem]

32. Whut u said nt

[byronius]

38. No limit to my rage over this. Thanks for expressing it.

[WonderGrunion]

41. Not to be a total follower

But I'd like to append my own "Fuck You" to those Blue dog Assholes to yours.

[Zorra]

43. Lower than deepwater squid shit they are. n/t

[Lagomorph]

46. Roll up your sleeves...

and get to work.

Vitriol will accomplish nothing.

[tiny elvis]

73. i'll close the barn door and you catch the horse

may 'fuck you' become an earnest prayer and may a prayer become a plan

[Octafish]

48. The best Senate money can buy.

The House is for sale, too.

A man I respect estimated 95-percent of pukes were corrupt and about 75-percent of Dems.

If he's not spot-on, he's mighty close.

[Cleita]

50. You've got it Octy.

I don't know how we are going to get rid of them without doing election reform though.

[Octafish]

115. Perhaps public referendums...

...Referenda? Get propositions, ballot measures, whatever before the voters in each state in which the public is asked to approve a law that eliminates all lobbying of elected officials and all private financing of candidates for public office. With a bit of publicity, the measures would pass with about 95-percent of the vote in all 50 states, I believe.

PS: The gentleman's name is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

[keepCAblue]

51. Worse than "sell outs"

they are fucking corporate whores...taking it up every orifice from the insurance/healthcare/pharma CEOs.

ain't "democracy" grand and ain't Ameriker jez the best fucking little whorehouse on earth?

[malaise]

57. Well said

:hi:

[tomm2thumbs]

52. these people are the SHAME of America. Take off those flag pins and go home.

you are not worthy.

[bullwinkle428]

53. We are FUCKED as a nation until we get public financing for elections!

[EmeraldCityGrl]

54. I wish I lived in their district just to vote against them.

Chicago politics are thought to be a bit on the vindictive side. I hope there will come a time in his presidency for
Obama to give them their due.

[OwnedByFerrets]

55. They vote, people die

[hulka38]

56. Fuck those fuckers.

[Blacksheep214]

58. These douchebags combined

have fewer population than Los Angeles county. How in the fuck can we let tiny town brains control legislation they obviously can't relate to.

FUCK THEM!!!

[tiny elvis]

81. rev'rent

[valerief]

60. You can't say that often enough or loud enough to these POS people-haters. nt

[Cha]

61. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8636511#8637564

[malaise]

64. Perfect

:hi:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

93. repost this .... it's all archived - great graphic - we all need to call. n/t

[davidpdx]

137. Oh hell

That's going on my Facebook page, I love it!

[Cha]

198. Good~ Spread the

word.

[bc3000]

63. When is our Public Option march in DC??????

[chadmak09]

103. good question!!!!

we need to march to DC for UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.

[20score]

65. K&R!

[TankLV]

67. I heartily agree!!! Max, you fucking REPUKE asshole - YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE 51 VOTES!!

NOT SIXTY VOTES, YOU FUCKING MORAN!!!

[deaniac21]

68. I can't believe the President's leadership hasn't won them over.

[20score]

69. K&R!

[suffragette]

70. What can I say except

K&R

[Individualist]

72. Too many people ignore the elephant in the room...

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," - Dennnis Kucinich

Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Carper and Nelson are DLC members.

[malaise]

76. Bingo

:fistbump:

[inna]

82. +1,000.

thank you for making this important point.

great quote, btw; i wasn't aware of it. Dennis is awesome.

[tiny elvis]

83. i did not know he said that

but i wrote the same thing yesterday
dlc are neoliberals, which has nothing to do with liberalism

[BrklynLiberal]

91. a very painful truth...

[kristopher]

74. Let me add a couple dozen more for Carper - From a Delaware Voter.

I will remember.

[Patiod]

172. Ah, but his corporate masters will too

and he will be richly rewarded with campaign contributions.

[Dr.Phool]

77. Specify BILL Nelson.

He of the "C-Street" cargo cult and cathouse.

He tried to cover his ass by voting "No" on Rockefeller, and "Yes" on Schumer, who said he was also for the Rockefeller amendment.

[inna]

84. is Ben Nelson any better? :shrug: nt

[flyarm]

160. Billy boy isn't fooling the older folks in our state..and I as a Fla dem will do my damnest to

get that fucker out of office.

I am so sick of his shit..

he is the grand Chess poooba!

Lots of Hopey changey going on with these dems ..eh????????

notttttttttttttt

but i never thought there would be.

but have "hope" there may be the OLYMPICS IN CHICAGO!!

WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO

[ChiciB1]

164. I've Watched Bill Nelson For YEARS... He Has Yet To Have ANY Opposition that

I've EVER seen! Look who ran against him the LAST time out! I'm NOT surprised by any of his votes, MOST are predictable and not many I EVER support!

I've said far too many times... it's so very difficult to vote them out... THEY HAVE THE MONEY, THEY HAVE THE NAME RECOGNITION.... AND.... THEY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND THEM TO MAKE SURE the shit gets out there and spread around!

I come here less and less, I decided to watch Rockefeller yesterday, but then as Nelson kept interrupting with his "inquiries" I KNEW once again what the outcome would be!!

Not only am I suffering from a really bad cold, my stomach churns not only from it, but the bile in my stomach is compounded by yet even more betrayal!

Going back to bed!!

OBAMA... time for YOU to pick up SEVERAL HUGE STICKS!! Too many people need a GOOD THRASHING!

[Obamanaut]

80. These harsh words will not bother any of them at their next reelection

party. And they will be reelected, and they know it.

We reelect incumbents at a rate of over 90%, and they know that also.

[FLyellowdog]

85. I sent my email to Nelson revoking my support for him. n/t

[Toucano]

86. Damn Right! Fuckers! n-t

[wial]

88. those bloody minded idiots

will live to rue this day. People who can't afford their medical bills should forward them to these rich corrupt senators.

[garybeck]

89. OMG

we're on the same wavelength

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=389&topic_id=6656957&mesg_id=6656957

[malaise]

139. LOL

:D

[BrklynLiberal]

90. Your eloquence is admirable...

:headbang: :fistbump: :yourock: :applause: :woohoo: :thumbsup: :hi: :toast: :bounce: :evilgrin:

[malaise]

140. Mom disagreed

The F word rocks. :evilgrin

[Maru Kitteh]

92. Happy to add my rec to this thread.

[maxpower]

94. Fucking fuckers

They should start worrying about their jobs.


Peace,
Max

[mirrera]

99. Olympia too...

[wordpix]

108. she's such a progressive repuke---NOT

[midnight]

101. Let me be the 140th to agree with you.

[RagAss]

104. Rat Blowers ...all of them !

[WyoHiker]

105. Calmly take out your check books and visa cards...

and start contributing to the progressive opposition

[harvey007]

106. They can run again, but they can't hide

Traitors are going to pay BIG TIME!

There's nothing WORSE than a FAKE Democrat.

[green917]

107. hypocritical loutish whores, one and all!

These motherfuckers and their republican colleagues just told us, loud and clear, that we don't deserve something that they and their families avail themselves of AT OUR EXPENSE for their entire lives.

FUCK YOU YOU HYPOCRITICAL WHORES!

[ProSense]

111. Blanche Lincoln

statement

[Lorien]

112. it's fine to rant on DU

Just make sure you write to them as well.

[wordpix]

114. +1

[wordpix]

113. Hope is on the way! Just saw an Obama ad for his plan on MSNBC, featuring the pres himself

:applause: :woohoo:

[flyarm]

156. I sure hope you can eat "Hope"..or that "Hope" is a band-aid for those so sorely ailing

with no health care..or maybe "hope" is a tent in the new tent cities springing up everywhere in this nation!

Or maybe "Hope" is jobs for the 6 million who can't find a job and can't feed their kids..or maybe "hope" will pay the hospital bill so many are going bankrupt because they can't pay or their insurance company is fucking them out of care they paid for!


Anyone who lives believing in "Hope" and using that phrase as an excuse to vote for anyone..is a damn fool..and is fucking the rest of us.

Hope is for Idiots that can not think or reason..or the delusional.

Show me the money.........verify everything..prove to me what you are going to do..not what you say!

and stick that hope shit where it belongs..down the toilet!

[WatchWhatISay]

116. me too

[countryken]

118. Message to Bill Nelson

I left this message on his machine tonight:

Senator Nelson, this is (name and address). I volunteered for you in youfirst senate campaign. I displayed your sign in my yard, and I am extremely disappointed in your vote on the Rockefeller amendment. Because you clearly answer to Humana and not the voters, my vote will oppose you in the primaries and I will not give another nickel to the the DSCC or any other group who may be channeling financial support to you, Baucus, Tester, Lincoln, or anyone else on the Democratic side of the aisle who makes this effort to sabotage the president. Thank you Senator Nelson.

[ChiciB1]

167. Well, Nice Outrage... Bill Nelson Knows He CAN Vote This Way And Get

Re-elected! He's a smug piece of SHIT! I lived in Florida since he was elected and never liked him from the get-go! He's a person fully comfortable putting his middle finger in the air, to see which way the wind blows... then makes a decision!

But mostly, at this point in his career, he doesn't care WHAT YOU THINK! I've had many "back & forths" with this P.O.S (piece of shit) and even how you get to reach him is even more difficult than most!

You can call him, but the last time I tried, he wasn't taking emails! But then, I stopped a long time ago... he just doesn't care, and all I even got back from him was the "standard" reply!

How I miss Bob Graham!!!!

[Vidar]

119. Adding my "Fuck yous" with a bit of "Drop dead" .

[Presidentcokedupfratboy]

120. What a bunch of assholes

Apparently they care more about money than the people they represent.

[LaPera]

121. We can't ever forget...we have to make them pay & nominate another Dem in each primary

of the paid-off insurance corporate assholes parading as democrats!

[Omar4Dems]

123. Please...I object to your use of the words "f*cking f*ckers"

You're giving a bad name to a perfectly wonderful sex act. :P

[lupinella]

124. Indeed!

Fuck them all - you want our support? Then do your jobs and help your constituents that are currently living with death panels.:nuke:

[NBachers]

127. Ride the Lightning next election you motherfuckers

I'll actively campaign against anyone who doesn't support the public option. Democrats will lose power for a fucking generation. I won't vote for a god-damned one of 'em.

Reap the whirlwind you pathetic corrupt creeps.

They just don't understand how pissed off people are out here.

[Mulehead]

129. fuckin' A.

[Douglas Carpenter]

130. indeed, my feeling exactly!!

[Rex]

133. I say we get term limits on all politicians and to qualify for health insurance for a lifetime

you have to win at least three times, back to back. Make politics...hum...competetive for a change.

[OneBlueSky]

135. well I, for one, appreciate your subtlety . . .

:yourock:

[Presidentcokedupfratboy]

136. Here is Baucus' email form

http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/emailForm.cfm?subj=issue

I told him he is a Democrat -- ACT LIKE ONE!!!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

138. I was just wondering

if Michael Moore and Howard Dean got together Tuesday night for drinks. You know, to discuss a mutual public service announcement broadcast all over the teevee and radio about real health care in the real world.

K&R

[malaise]

141. I wish they'd use Ceney's words

live on air. :D
fix smilie

[FlyByNight]

142. With "friends" like them...

...who needs enemies?

They're willing to sell out the physical and financial health of the republic just so they'll have a few more dollars in their bank accounts. They're essentially Rs without the overt racism and homophobia.

To Hell with them.

:rant:

[wroberts189]

146. tell us how you really feel. KNR

[1monster]

151. Which Nelson? Ben or Bill?

[1monster]

152. Which Nelson? Ben or Bill?

[flyarm]

153. Something is missing..seriously..I do not see them here..

all the cheerleaders telling us it is all a mighty chess game by the mighty master..they are missing on this thread..you know them..they continually tell us all how stupid we are and that some master plan is at work..and the chess game is on while the master runs around the world ..and ignores the fact that Americans are dying daily for lack of health care..and articles are written in newspapers all over this country about people living in tents..why i just got an Email today from a dem in my county with a newspaper article from Seattle and my county in Fla was mentioned about a tent city in my own community..my county...but don't worry Chicago wants the OLYMPICS!!!!!!!!! THAT SHOULD WARM THE COCKLES OF YOUR HEART!

It won't help you get health care..but it sure gives the master deniability of any responsibility of what failed so miserably ( and planned to perfection, giving cover to the assholes that work for us!) in the Senate and your health care!

But don't worry ...the WH Obama /Rahmn deal with Big Pharma, the Hospital conglomerates and Big Insurance is still in place..to fuck you out of Health care reform!!

Yep all those jerks who post daily telling you how wrong you are, are missing from this thread..I wonder why??????

I sure hope they got their paychecks..because if the same thing happens to them that happened to the paid Bushbots of ole ..they won't get what they worked so hard for.. to shove shit down our collective throats!

[residentfan]

154. Democrats eat their own

AGAIN! You can't trust the Dems to follow through on their own programs.

[Deep13]

155. Pree-zent bird!

[orbitalman]

157. Utter RAGE. n/t

[flyarm]

158. oh ..AND DON'T MISS THIS PIECE OF FUCKING "HOPE " ON A PLATTER!!

Hoyer Cool To Repealing Wiretap Immunity
Source: Associated Press

(09-29) 10:31 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer made clear Tuesday that he would be cool to a Senate proposal to take away the retroactive immunity now given to telecommunications companies that participated in warrantless wiretapping during the George W. Bush administration.

"I don't think that revisiting that issue is really going to get us anyplace," the Maryland Democrat said at a news conference.

His comment came a day after Senate Democrats Chris Dodd, Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, Russ Feingold and Jeff Merkley said they planned to introduce legislation to repeal a provision in a 2008 act granting immunity to telecom companies that helped the government spy on Americans in suspected terrorism cases.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/0...



AND FOR ALL THOSE GRAND DU'ERS WHO HAVE CHASTIZED ME AND TOLD ME I WASN'T "HOPEFUL" ENOUGH and that i needed to wait for that grand chess game to play out ...you know who the fuck you are and we all know who you cheerleaders of propaganda are... ..."STICK IT " Royally!

does anyone else have a good "SENSE " of who I am talking about??????? I bet many do!!

[butterfly77]

161. Kick &Recommended!!!

[Katana]

162. I don't think you 'get it'....

What happens in 6 months when people are sent to prison because they can't afford the extra 1000 dollars per month for an acceptable insurance policy? People on both the right and left will threaten revolution if that doesn't change immediately. And, just as Medicare and Social Security, are never scrapped but just constantly "updated", this plan will be updated with a 'public option' which will evolve into a true single-payer plan within 5 years......For gosh sakes be a little patient. Our president campaigned on a single-payer system and he will deliver, but like he said, we will have to do it in stages. This has been the plan all along. Our socialism will come eventually. It is inevitable.

[flyarm]

173. people are dying with that patience you so proudly ask us to have..nooooooooo

I have worked and waited 37 years for this time..no my patience has run out dear..and this dear one is not immediate..this is a very very long time coming..and now iis the time to stand up..or get the fuck out of our way..those of us who have fought for this for a lifetime of 35- 50 years!

You may be new to this, perhaps thay is why you think of this as "change immediately."..but you are sorely mistaken if you think this is new to the rest of us!

I raised my family with no national health care..but lived parts of those years in Canada where i could get cheaper meds for my family..others were not so lucky..and i have great health insurance..that cost my hubby and I almost $2,000. bucks a month with our union picking up an additional $4,000. a month that equals $6,000. bucks a month for 2 people!! ..most people we know who retire can't afford the coverage and had to drop it..and are left without coverage..until they turn 65 and get medicare..

I know what our insurance cost 30 years ago compared to today..so no dear this is immediate..this isn't new to most of us who have paid for a lifetime for coverage..who took less in our salaries to have coverage..and who unionized so we would have health care only to now lose it because most can't afford it!

Please do not tell me I 'DON'T GET IT"..I FUCKING GET IT IN FUCKING SPADES!

[PA Democrat]

166. Already rec'ed, but will add another kick.

[Piewhacket]

168. kick!

[rbixby]

169. Can't say anything else but...

I can't remember the name of the R senator that said the public option would be so popular that it would put insurance companies out of business and we'd end up with a single payer system. Well, what's so bad about that? If private industry can't compete and can't provide health care to everyone for a reasonable price, then I guess its the government's role to do just that.

[gizmonic]

175. I think it was Grassley who said that

Seriously, what's so abhorrent about single payer? :shrug:

[SeaLyons]

170. A mighty KICK....

Fuck all fuckers that don't stand for the Public Option.

[flyarm]

174. THE PUBLIC OPTION WAS ALREADY THE FUCKING SELL OUT..

and now we can't even get it..

it is a double fucking sell out..!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SeaLyons]

176. Yup, we compromised by giving up single payer...and ended

up with NOTHING. Slapped in the face by our own party.

[flyarm]

177. Trumka Scheduled To Meet With Rahm Today To Cut Deal on Public Option

Trumka Scheduled To Meet With Rahm Today To Cut Deal on Public Option
By: Jane Hamsher Wednesday September 30, 2009 7:06 am

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/30/trumka-scheduled-to-meet-with-rahm-today-to-cut-deal-on-public-option/


We hoped it wasn't true. We hoped that when Richard Trumka committed to back a public option and threatened to withhold support from Democrats who wouldn't vote for one that it wasn't just pre-convention rhetoric.

But then the big guns came out -- Baucus decided that rather than taxing the rich, he would tax the health care plans that seriously affected AFL-CIO workers who had given up wage hikes in exchange for comprehensive health care coverage over years in contract negotiations. When Gerry McEntee rightly called the Baucus bill "bullshit" from the floor of the convention, Nancy Pelosi was then dispatched to say they were considering the same thing in the House.

I defy anyone to find me one single example of the White House twisting one arm for a public option. Just one. But when Rahm and Trumka meet today, it will be after a month of very serious threats to the AFL-CIO carried out at the highest levels. It's the kind of "arm twisting" that only the executive branch is capable of, and it has been done to crush support for a public option, not opposition.

I wrote recently about the fact that people within the AFL-CIO were getting tremendous pressure from the White House to push Trumka into backing down. And sources familiar with the situation say that since the other unions outside the AFL have already caved and are kicking Rahm's trigger football, Trumka feels he has little support for his position and no choice but to relent.

Contact the AFL-CIO and let them know that you support Richard Trumka and his commitment to the public option. Let him know that staying true to that commitment is extremely important to those of us who strongly support labor.

[bunkerbuster1]

179. K&Ring, and adding "...with a rusty chainsaw, sideways."

I don't ever want DU to become a place where we tolerate this kind of crap.

[Ganja Ninja]

180. We need to stop separating the blue dogs from the rest of the party.

We really don't know how much real enthusiasm there is from the rest of our elected Democrats. Chances are that if it weren't for the blue dogs some other Democrats would step up and save the insurance companies. I say give them all a big fuck you. Clearly the blue dogs aren't listening to us. Maybe their fellow Democrats (if they feel threatened) can twist their arms and get somewhere. But I'm not inclined to let the party off the hook for the actions of a small fraction of their members. It's a political party not a group of independent politicians.

[FourScore]

182. Ditto. n/t

[108]

185. I share in this sentiment

FUCK YOU

I hope Obama takes on Campaign Finance Reform later in his term to say FUCK YOU to them too

[Aviation Pro]

186. Not happy to be the 300th Rec.....

....fucking assholes.

[ut oh]

187. That saddest part is this whole

Republican majority = 51

Dem majority = 62? 65? 100? Cause apparently even with a supposed 60, it's just not enough....

Apparently the Dems are now so scuuured of the Republicans that they just cave to them regardless, even if there were just 1 Repub in the Senate....

I say let the Repubs filibuster it and show their true colors... but put something meaningful forth, not this evicerated BS, that they apparently want to do now... Huge insurance give away and Dr. Dean said it...

[flyarm]

189. Leave Your “Blame the Republicans” Emails Here! By: Jane Hamsher

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/29/leave-your-blame-the-republicans-emails-here/

Leave Your “Blame the Republicans” Emails Here!
By: Jane Hamsher Tuesday September 29, 2009 5:05 pm

I know my inbox is full of emails blaming the Republicans for killing the public option on the Senate Finance Committee. They're hilarious.

That's right, the GOP did it!

Leave yours in the comments. Maybe we'll have a drinking game to see how fast each one starts pimping triggers.

It seems to have escaped their notice that Democrats did the exact same thing they're blaming the Republicans for. Just enough of them, in fact, to make sure the public option failed.

Funny how that always works, isn't it?

[katty]

191. Yeah!

[theFrankFactor]

192. CORPORATE MONEY MUST GO!

Democrats are having their pockets stuffed with cash and it's buying influence and will buy their re-election, or at least a nice nest egg.

My theory on the Blue Dogs: Corporate insurance against public influence. The Dogs are hired to prevent any but Republican and pro corporate legislation. It's all just theater when Democrat whips and leaders babble about what 75% of the American citizens want.

Look at the assholes we have as party whips and leaders! Losers. The Democrats are the Washington Generals. The Corporations are the Harlem Globe Trotters.

Come to my Social Network and criticize my grammar and spelling!
http://TheFrankFactor.com

[diva77]

197. whomever gets elected these days is accountable to those who control the voting machines

the dems against the public option are proof positive that we have "democratic" posers -- Baucus, et. al.

We need to go back to hand counted paper ballots at precinct level with public oversight if we are to reclaim our democracy - could easily be done the way the jury system is run -- summoning people to handcount once every few elections

[parasearchers]

199. Hang em from a lampost. Like Musolini :) Ahhh

I love that picture. Hell wait till the stimulus wears off and we REALLY tank. We will be dragging repukes (and al0t of Democrats) through the streets.

[davidwparker]

200. Question: Will this board support them the next time they run?

[WCGreen]

201. Tell us what you really mean

:evilgrin:

[RedCloud]

202. They would be glad to get fucked as they are whores of the insurance companies. (Old joke inside)

And too dumb to charge enough!

"Where is Max "Humpy" Baucus? He sure is one dumb puto!"
"Here I am. And here is the eleventy seven dollars and twenty five cents from the insurance company tricks!"
"Which one gave you the twenty five cents, Max?"
"They all did!"

[pleah]

203. K&R#350 Yes!

:toast: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: