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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:22 PM
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OMG! Fox News Had An "Expert" Who Called Calif. A Test Case For "Obamanomics" - BULLS%$T!!
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 10:29 PM by TomCADem
I think this snippet just underscored just how misinformed people can get watching Fox News even when they aren't watching Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity. Instead, it was Gloria Van Struten interviewing some guy who pumping a new CA tax plan, then called California a test case for Obamanomics, and noted that given the failure of California's economy, why would anyone want to copy this on the federal level. :wtf: :argh:

*sigh*

This is absolute bullshit on so many levels.

:rant:

First, California is only one of three states that require a 2/3 majority of its legislature to approve a budget and collect new revenues -- the others are the smaller states of Rhode Island and Arkansas.

Second, California also has a separate 2/3 majority requirement to pass any tax increases. This allows a minority of Republicans to hold the entire budget hostage as leverage to pass legislation that has absolutely nothing to do with the budget.

Third, California passed Proposition 13, which limits property tax rates to 1 percent AND limits any re-assessment to 2 percent annually. PLUS, there are numerous exceptions to reassessment. Since property taxes are primarily used to fund schools, this has a huge detrimental impact on California schools, which were once among the best in the Nation. Also, due to this strict ceiling on property taxes, other taxes such as income taxes and sales taxes are increased to compensate for the lack of revenue to provide basic services such as education, fire protection and police.

Fourth, California has had a Republican Governor for 22 out of the past 26 years.

Fifth, California passed term limits on State legislatures. This combined with the 2/3 majority requirements has resulted in Legislators who have no interest in the long term viability of the State, because they would be termed out in a few short years anyways. Thus, Republicans will simply sign a no new tax pledge, then simply try to get through their alloted term limit without passing any tax increase. They just mail it in without having to deal with the long term consequences of their intransigence.

In other words, this expert on Fox News was not just wrong, he was saying the exact opposite of what is the cause of California's problems. California is a test case for many ideas that Republicans hold near and dear. The fiscal irresponsibility that is hallmark of the Republican party, and the complete incapacitation of government due to terms limits, anti-democratic super majority requirements, and Republican leadership has resulted in the fiscal hell that California currently is in.

It is just mind boggling the complete lies that are being fed to Fox viewers. Indeed, with the Senate suddenly requiring a 60 vote threshold on legislation, that is a step in the direction of California's governance.

Finally, the "expert" said that California has a health care plan similar to President Obama's proposals. No it does not! California has nothing that is vaguely similar to any of the proposals being debated in Congress. Even under Baucus plan, Californians can only wish there was prohibition against post-claim rescission due to pre-existing conditions.

It is absolutely sad the degree to which Fox viewers subject themselves to the daily falsehoods being spread by Fox News. They literally live in a world that bears no relationship to reality.

:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:25 PM
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1. California was a test case for Reaganomics
before anyone had ever HEARD of St. Ronnie. x(
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Louisiana1976 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:31 PM
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5. Faux Noise--Unfair and Unbalanced!
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 11:07 PM
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12. +1
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:26 PM
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2. FoxNews....
We Decide How we Report...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:26 PM
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3. I think we have to resign ourselves to a sobering reality.
Edited on Tue Sep-29-09 10:32 PM by Avalux
There is a segment of the American population (30% at least) that is so far gone no amount of reasoning or fact based analyses will make a difference.

They are functional illiterates; watch Faux all day and believe every lie they're fed because they know no different.

I don't see how we can do anything about it in the short term.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:31 PM
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4. The very same people who thought idiot son and cheney were doing
a great job. Same as it ever was. But now they're being riled up, and not in a good way.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:56 PM
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11. The thing that really bums me out:
The people who listen to Rush and watch Faux are TRYING to be informed, engaged citizens.

I just have to wonder how many more people are so ignorant they're not even THAT informed. x(
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:32 PM
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6. You do realize you're watching the propaganda wing of the GOP, right?
You aren't expecting to find anything truthful on Faux News are you?
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:42 PM
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8. It Was Amazing. It Literally Was The BIG LIE! Not spin, but complete up is down bulls%^t! And...
People actually choose to watch this, and get dumber, racist, and angry in the process. It was not even Glenn Beck, but Greta van Struten, and they were happily painting this alternate reality where California was ruled by Democrats. One more thing to add is that in 2003, like Bill Clinton, Republicans orchestrated a recall of Gray Davis, and Schwarznegger makes Gray Davis look like the second coming of Lincoln. California is a microcosm of Republican policies gone wild with super majority requirements that allow the Republicans to control the agenda or at minimum prevent any action by the Democrats.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:33 PM
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7. Whatever - Bush offered us 8 years of "anal cavity search"
Fox = Pravda
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:49 PM
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10. sounds like a new reality TV show!!!
and now...

ANAL CAVITY SEARCH!!!

starring...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 11:20 PM
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13. Sounds like a porn
:P
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 10:48 PM
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9. California is the poster child for RAYGUNOMICS and all the other REPUKE ideology!!!
I see their PROJECTION has risen to new heights...!!!
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